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An all female future..

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I would..

..wave them off with tears in my eyes
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15%
..object strenuously to this fascist feminism
72
35%
..sabotage the flight.. we all go down with the ship
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8%
..demand Hasselhoff at least be included to represent mankind
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17%
..demand a global poll be set up so I can click accordingly
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3%
..furiously discuss on NSG
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13%
..other
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9%
 
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An all female future..

Postby Bombadil » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:13 pm

3 points..

1. Kate Greene participated in a mock Mars mission and found that female crew members expended less than half the calories of the male crew members. Less than half! They were all exercising roughly the same amount—at least 45 minutes a day for five consecutive days a week—but their metabolic furnaces were calibrated in radically different ways.

During one week, the most metabolically active male burned an average of 3,450 calories per day, while the least metabolically active female expended 1,475 calories per day. It was rare for a woman on crew to burn 2,000 calories in a day and common for male crew members to exceed 3,000.

The calorie requirements of an astronaut matter significantly when planning a mission. The more food a person needs to maintain her weight on a long space journey, the more food should launch with her. The more food launched, the heavier the payload. The heavier the payload, the more fuel required to blast it into orbit and beyond. The more fuel required, the more expensive the launch becomes.

2. New research from Dexeus Women’s Health in Barcelona shows that once sperm is collected and frozen, it can survive in microgravity with no ill effects.

3. Nasa looked into this years ago, according to Helen Sharman, the first Briton in space. She told an audience in 2017 that the US commissioned a secret study into long-term space travel, which recommended that to stop people having sex, “the crew should be the same gender: all men or all women”. Apparently women were the better choice, because men would quarrel about who was in charge.


So given a situation where the earth was truly in trouble and we had one shot of escaping this planet with long term space travel, our best bet is to have an all-female crew with frozen sperm.

Given this was the case, would you accept this, that only females be selected for the escape or would you object if not attempt to sabotage and have humanity wiped out regardless?
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Postby NERVUN » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:16 pm

Earth is truly in trouble and we are tying to make our mark in the stars and survive as a species...

Captain Jane T. Kirk has just as good of a ring as any I suppose....
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Postby Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:20 pm

Men and women are complementary.

We don't need one or the other - we need both. Men serve certain roles, and women serve others.

Its like a two piece puzzle. :blush:
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Postby Galloism » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:20 pm

Given anywhere we go is going to require a fair amount of high strength manual labor to get started, you’ll probably need at least a few men anyway for efficiency of construction’s sake.

Apparently women were the better choice, because men would quarrel about who was in charge.


That’s a very sexist conclusion, and, perhaps more importantly, almost certainly untrue as well.
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Postby Versail » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:21 pm

Like aside from the sperm thing the rest seems biased.
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Postby Bluelight-R006 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:23 pm

I wouldn’t do anything. I’d be supportive that at least there would be some people escaping. Not to mention that if I don’t rebel and sabotage, someone else probably will and I will get a chance escaping, not knowing that regardless, we’d get wiped out.

Plus, the sperm is going to run out sometime. Sperm isn’t unlimited with the presence of only females. So I doubt this humanity will last for Millenniums, unless they find a way to recreate sperm.

But nonetheless I don’t support the thinking that, “If I can’t live, no one can.” Knowing that at some point we will all die, now or then. As long as humanity lives on, I’m okay.

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Postby Heloin » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:23 pm

Galloism wrote:Given anywhere we go is going to require a fair amount of high strength manual labor to get started, you’ll probably need at least a few men anyway for efficiency of construction’s sake.

Apparently women were the better choice, because men would quarrel about who was in charge.


That’s a very sexist conclusion, and, perhaps more importantly, almost certainly untrue as well.

*needs big strong men in order to build the future*
*calls the little joke very sexist*
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Postby Galloism » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:26 pm

Heloin wrote:
Galloism wrote:Given anywhere we go is going to require a fair amount of high strength manual labor to get started, you’ll probably need at least a few men anyway for efficiency of construction’s sake.



That’s a very sexist conclusion, and, perhaps more importantly, almost certainly untrue as well.

*needs big strong men in order to build the future*
*calls the little joke very sexist*
You're sending mixed signals here.

High strength labor is something men are better at statistically, just like lower caloric intake is in fact true regarding women. You’ll notice I didn’t take issue with that undeniable fact in the OP.

A lot of that has to do with testosterone, but it’s basic biology. There’s a concept called sexual dimorphism - learn it, love it.

The notion that men argue more or less than women has no basis in biology or fact, however. At least, not that I’ve observed.

And it wasn’t a joke - it was a NASA official conclusion.
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Postby Bombadil » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:27 pm

Galloism wrote:Given anywhere we go is going to require a fair amount of high strength manual labor to get started, you’ll probably need at least a few men anyway for efficiency of construction’s sake.


Once there they can make some men with the frozen sperm..

Apparently women were the better choice, because men would quarrel about who was in charge.


That’s a very sexist conclusion, and, perhaps more importantly, almost certainly untrue as well.


There's a good couple of documentaries called.. amm.. *googles* Boys Alone and Girls Alone..

..let's just say it's the boys who utterly destroy the house.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:27 pm

It wouldn't be an all female future forever, as some of those frozen sperm will have a Y chromosome.
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Postby Bluelight-R006 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:28 pm

Apparently women were the better choice, because men would quarrel about who was in charge.

Women can fight, too, as long as unfairness is present. It’s how humans work. Humanity, generally, can be very civil.

Have they ever tried sending men out and see if they’d argue? I think it’s at least worth a few experiments before you can conclude.

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Postby United States of Americanas » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:28 pm

Galloism wrote:Given anywhere we go is going to require a fair amount of high strength manual labor to get started, you’ll probably need at least a few men anyway for efficiency of construction’s sake.

Apparently women were the better choice, because men would quarrel about who was in charge.


That’s a very sexist conclusion, and, perhaps more importantly, almost certainly untrue as well.


I’m on a boat, I’m not arguing who the captain of the boat is. Why? Because I have a thing called maturity.

Also, sending only woman as stated above would doom the mission. Women are not well suited for extremely labor intensive jobs and many would refuse even if capable to lift hundred pound items and do 30 12 hour work days of spot welding and building.

Do I agree that woman are better in leadership? Yes and no. In political leadership yes. But in leading a spacecraft people all need to equally share in the responsibility of handling the mission and there should be rotating delegations of different tasks.

Captain Jane Doe dies after a malfunction in her spacesuit. Nobody else is trained in the captaining of the ship because nobody was given a rotation as captain. Mutiny happens and everyone dies.

Or

An equal amount of men and women are sent aboard the ship. Each week the captain role is handed to a willing volunteer by lottery drawn from a helmet. The last weeks captains name is not entered in the helmet. Many people have experience in captaining the ship. If the head captain dies it is no big deal because other people have experienced the captain role and know how to carry out all tasks on the ship.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:29 pm

How are we ever going to achieve Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism now?
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Postby Bluelight-R006 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:30 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:It wouldn't be an all female future forever, as some of those frozen sperm will have a Y chromosome.

Yep, in the end, this is quite useless. A whole new generation of males can come in and do whatever the women taught they wouldn’t see — fighting for power.

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Postby Heloin » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:33 pm

Galloism wrote:
Heloin wrote:*needs big strong men in order to build the future*
*calls the little joke very sexist*
You're sending mixed signals here.

High strength labor is something men are better at statistically, just like lower caloric intake is in fact true regarding women. You’ll notice I didn’t take issue with that undeniable fact in the OP.

A lot of that has to do with testosterone, but it’s basic biology. There’s a concept called sexual dimorphism - learn it, love it.

The notion that men argue more or less than women has no basis in biology or fact, however. At least, not that I’ve observed.

And it wasn’t a joke - it was a NASA official conclusion.

I only just noticed that this whole thing isn't just hypothetical stuff. Didn't read the OP to closely see.
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Postby Bombadil » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:34 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:How are we ever going to achieve Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism now?


Surely this will be our best chance, that spaceship will be very well decorated.
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Postby Galloism » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:35 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Galloism wrote:Given anywhere we go is going to require a fair amount of high strength manual labor to get started, you’ll probably need at least a few men anyway for efficiency of construction’s sake.


Once there they can make some men with the frozen sperm..


And after 15 years or so, you’ll have some. That’s really not fast enough.

Humans don’t grow very fast.


That’s a very sexist conclusion, and, perhaps more importantly, almost certainly untrue as well.


There's a good couple of documentaries called.. amm.. *googles* Boys Alone and Girls Alone..

..let's just say it's the boys who utterly destroy the house.


I’d say comparing a bunch of idle boys to grown men selected for a mission in such a manner is disingenuous. It’s akin to me studying caterpillars and determining based on that that butterflies can’t fly.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:36 pm

Bombadil wrote:3 points..

1. Kate Greene participated in a mock Mars mission and found that female crew members expended less than half the calories of the male crew members. Less than half! They were all exercising roughly the same amount—at least 45 minutes a day for five consecutive days a week—but their metabolic furnaces were calibrated in radically different ways.

During one week, the most metabolically active male burned an average of 3,450 calories per day, while the least metabolically active female expended 1,475 calories per day. It was rare for a woman on crew to burn 2,000 calories in a day and common for male crew members to exceed 3,000.

The calorie requirements of an astronaut matter significantly when planning a mission. The more food a person needs to maintain her weight on a long space journey, the more food should launch with her. The more food launched, the heavier the payload. The heavier the payload, the more fuel required to blast it into orbit and beyond. The more fuel required, the more expensive the launch becomes.

2. New research from Dexeus Women’s Health in Barcelona shows that once sperm is collected and frozen, it can survive in microgravity with no ill effects.

3. Nasa looked into this years ago, according to Helen Sharman, the first Briton in space. She told an audience in 2017 that the US commissioned a secret study into long-term space travel, which recommended that to stop people having sex, “the crew should be the same gender: all men or all women”. Apparently women were the better choice, because men would quarrel about who was in charge.


So given a situation where the earth was truly in trouble and we had one shot of escaping this planet with long term space travel, our best bet is to have an all-female crew with frozen sperm.

Given this was the case, would you accept this, that only females be selected for the escape or would you object if not attempt to sabotage and have humanity wiped out regardless?

I feel like we deserve a source for all of this.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:36 pm

This thread's scenario is a misandrist's dream to be honest.
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Postby Pyta » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:37 pm

Enjoying the number of "It's sexist to say men would be quarrelsome, also, women are too weak and would refuse to work" takes

Also nobody's doing any manual labor when they get to mars. They'd have to have robots for that because nobody would be able to stand up under their own power for about a week.
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Postby Galloism » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:39 pm

United States of Americanas wrote:
Galloism wrote:Given anywhere we go is going to require a fair amount of high strength manual labor to get started, you’ll probably need at least a few men anyway for efficiency of construction’s sake.



That’s a very sexist conclusion, and, perhaps more importantly, almost certainly untrue as well.


I’m on a boat, I’m not arguing who the captain of the boat is. Why? Because I have a thing called maturity.

Also, sending only woman as stated above would doom the mission. Women are not well suited for extremely labor intensive jobs and many would refuse even if capable to lift hundred pound items and do 30 12 hour work days of spot welding and building.

Do I agree that woman are better in leadership? Yes and no. In political leadership yes. But in leading a spacecraft people all need to equally share in the responsibility of handling the mission and there should be rotating delegations of different tasks.

Captain Jane Doe dies after a malfunction in her spacesuit. Nobody else is trained in the captaining of the ship because nobody was given a rotation as captain. Mutiny happens and everyone dies.

Or

An equal amount of men and women are sent aboard the ship. Each week the captain role is handed to a willing volunteer by lottery drawn from a helmet. The last weeks captains name is not entered in the helmet. Many people have experience in captaining the ship. If the head captain dies it is no big deal because other people have experienced the captain role and know how to carry out all tasks on the ship.

There’s a lot of really suspect sexist assumptions here.

If you need to survive, you will work as hard as necessary to meet that need - regardless of gender. And I have no idea where the hell you went on the leadership question - it started as an equivocation and then took a right turn into cross-skill training.
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Postby Pyta » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:40 pm

Galloism wrote:I’d say comparing a bunch of idle boys to grown men selected for a mission in such a manner is disingenuous.


You wouldn't say that if you'd ever hung out with a bunch of astronauts

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Postby Costa Fierro » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:41 pm

I nominate Lena Dunham to be the first woman on Venus.
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Postby Galloism » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:41 pm

Pyta wrote:
Galloism wrote:I’d say comparing a bunch of idle boys to grown men selected for a mission in such a manner is disingenuous.


You wouldn't say that if you'd ever hung out with a bunch of astronauts

Lol.

Maybe. If they’re anything like pilots, there’s a “work hard, play hard” thing. They do ridiculous shit off the clock, but when the chips are down, will do whatever it takes - no restrictions.
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Postby Bombadil » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:42 pm

Galloism wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Once there they can make some men with the frozen sperm..


And after 15 years or so, you’ll have some. That’s really not fast enough.

Humans don’t grow very fast.


There's a good couple of documentaries called.. amm.. *googles* Boys Alone and Girls Alone..

..let's just say it's the boys who utterly destroy the house.


I’d say comparing a bunch of idle boys to grown men selected for a mission in such a manner is disingenuous. It’s akin to me studying caterpillars and determining based on that that butterflies can’t fly.


Not saying I fully agree, or don't demand a degree of nuance but..

Many people know that a person's character and personality is largely established by the time they are very young. The traits that will define that individual throughout his or her life can be clearly identified when he or she is as little as 7 years old. In a new investigation, scientists show that, by the time they start going to school, children already exhibit the personality traits that will remain with them throughout their lives. This was clearly established in a new paper, written by experts at the University of California in Riverside (UCR), LiveScience reports.

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