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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:18 pm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-48661843

Iran has announced it intends to breech the uranium enrichment limit on the 27th June, claiming it is in response to European failure to protect them from the reinstatement of American sanctions. This includes restarting a heavy water plant that could produce weapons grade plutonium.

The UK, France and Germany have warned Iran not to violate the 2015 deal, and that they will reinstate their sanctions if Iran doesn’t change its course.

This shows that Iran was never serious about limiting its nuclear program, and obviously wants to repair the damage done to its economy, then create its nuclear weapons from a position of strength. Allowing Iran to obtain a bomb would turn the Middle East into a nuclear powder keg that would make Indian subcontinent look Antarctic in comparison, and put Europe in range of both nuclear weapons and radioactive fallout.
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Postby Khataiy » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:20 pm

The first target of a nuclear Iran isn't Israel or America its the Sunni Arab states

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Postby Zrhajan » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:25 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-48661843

Iran has announced it intends to breech the uranium enrichment limit on the 27th June, claiming it is in response to European failure to protect them from the reinstatement of American sanctions. This includes restarting a heavy water plant that could produce weapons grade plutonium.

The UK, France and Germany have warned Iran not to violate the 2015 deal, and that they will reinstate their sanctions if Iran doesn’t change its course.

This shows that Iran was never serious about limiting its nuclear program, and obviously wants to repair the damage done to its economy, then create its nuclear weapons from a position of strength. Allowing Iran to obtain a bomb would turn the Middle East into a nuclear powder keg that would make Indian subcontinent look Antarctic in comparison, and put Europe in range of both nuclear weapons and radioactive fallout.

I think it's more accurate to say that Iran would have been willing to limit its nuclear program had the US actually kept to the deal. Note, after all, that they kept to the deal even after the US announced plans to reinstate the sanctions, which arguably rendered the deal null and void, anyway.
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Postby Page » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:25 pm

America broke the deal and reimposed sanctions while Iran was still compliant. It's no surprise the deal fell apart without the commitment of all parties. All thanks to Trump who sabotaged a reasonable deal not on the merits of the deal itself but rather out of contempt for Obama.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:26 pm

Page wrote:America broke the deal and reimposed sanctions while Iran was still compliant. It's no surprise the deal fell apart without the commitment of all parties. All thanks to Trump who sabotaged a reasonable deal not on the merits of the deal itself but rather out of contempt for Obama.


There was nothing reasonable about the deal, we got nothing from it. Iran kept all the facilities it needed to do this, sanctions got lifted and it got to reenter a bunch of markets. It was literally just us bending over backwards to them.

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Postby Page » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:35 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Page wrote:America broke the deal and reimposed sanctions while Iran was still compliant. It's no surprise the deal fell apart without the commitment of all parties. All thanks to Trump who sabotaged a reasonable deal not on the merits of the deal itself but rather out of contempt for Obama.


There was nothing reasonable about the deal, we got nothing from it. Iran kept all the facilities it needed to do this, sanctions got lifted and it got to reenter a bunch of markets. It was literally just us bending over backwards to them.


We got Iran no longer enriching uranium to such levels that they could create nuclear weapons, which was exactly the goal from the start. Iran's incentive was financial benefits, America's incentive was Iran not having nuclear weapons.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:42 pm

Page wrote:
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There was nothing reasonable about the deal, we got nothing from it. Iran kept all the facilities it needed to do this, sanctions got lifted and it got to reenter a bunch of markets. It was literally just us bending over backwards to them.


We got Iran no longer enriching uranium to such levels that they could create nuclear weapons, which was exactly the goal from the start. Iran's incentive was financial benefits, America's incentive was Iran not having nuclear weapons.


Yet the deal really did nothing to prevent that as it allowed them to keep all the facilities they already had that could be used for that purpose. As this situation has demonstrated even the slightest change in direction could have led to them just beginning enrichment again.

It's like making a deal with a drunk driver where he promises not to do it anymore but you let him keep his license and his stills while paying him and just go along on faith that he'll be a good boy. It's absurd.

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Postby Page » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:45 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
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We got Iran no longer enriching uranium to such levels that they could create nuclear weapons, which was exactly the goal from the start. Iran's incentive was financial benefits, America's incentive was Iran not having nuclear weapons.


Yet the deal really did nothing to prevent that as it allowed them to keep all the facilities they already had that could be used for that purpose. As this situation has demonstrated even the slightest change in direction could have led to them just beginning enrichment again.

It's like making a deal with a drunk driver where he promises not to do it anymore but you let him keep his license and his stills while paying him and just go along on faith that he'll be a good boy. It's absurd.


We were aware of those facilities and Iran was bound to allow those facilities to be inspected with virtually no notice. And inspectors did come and Iran let them in.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:46 pm

Well, looks like we shouldn't have destroyed the nuclear deal

I bet Jared Kushner and his Israeli friends are gonna come to regret pushing the Orange man to abandon it.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:48 pm

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Yet the deal really did nothing to prevent that as it allowed them to keep all the facilities they already had that could be used for that purpose. As this situation has demonstrated even the slightest change in direction could have led to them just beginning enrichment again.

It's like making a deal with a drunk driver where he promises not to do it anymore but you let him keep his license and his stills while paying him and just go along on faith that he'll be a good boy. It's absurd.


We were aware of those facilities and Iran was bound to allow those facilities to be inspected with virtually no notice. And inspectors did come and Iran let them in.


Lot of good that did, huh?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:48 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:Well, looks like we shouldn't have destroyed the nuclear deal

I bet Jared Kushner and his Israeli friends are gonna come to regret pushing the Orange man to abandon it.


Why would they? Israel has wanted this war for years.

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Postby Spirit of Hope » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:53 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
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We were aware of those facilities and Iran was bound to allow those facilities to be inspected with virtually no notice. And inspectors did come and Iran let them in.


Lot of good that did, huh?
well since the inspectors verified that Iran wasn't going above the limits, and was staying within the deal it did us a lot of good. And then the president got ride of the deal, and inspectors were still let in and verified that Iran was still following the deal. Finally the president started to look at ways to further squeeze Iran and deter our allies from keeping with the deal, and Iran has finally announced they are going to ignore the deal.

So I would say the deal worked rather well, considering it was torn up almost immediately.

While the deal may not have been great, it was certainly better than no deal, and once we had the deal withdrawing for no reason hurt us even more than if we hadn't reached a deal. It makes it all that much harder to make more such deals in the future.
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Postby Page » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:53 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
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We were aware of those facilities and Iran was bound to allow those facilities to be inspected with virtually no notice. And inspectors did come and Iran let them in.


Lot of good that did, huh?


It did. Iran was 100% compliant until the day America abandoned the deal.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:54 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:Well, looks like we shouldn't have destroyed the nuclear deal

I bet Jared Kushner and his Israeli friends are gonna come to regret pushing the Orange man to abandon it.


Why would they? Israel has wanted this war for years.


You know what they don't want? Iran having a nuke. You know what's probably gonna happen? They get one. I know what Israel's plan is but contrary to the stereotype from the Richard Spencer's of the world, Israel has been known to make terrible plans that lead to hardship and suffering for themselves and when the going gets tough, they hope America can save them.

Case in point, destabilizing Syria hoping they could kill assad, only for Russia to come save him (never mind the Islamist militants who were trying to fire rockets at Israel from the destabilized mess of syria). The Lebanon war, where they invaded to try and establish a puppet government, only to be pushed out in the 1990s by hezbollah. The 2006 Lebanon war where they went in again to try and destroy Hezbollah but once again got pushed out and had their cities such as haifa shelled to rubble. I've got a feeling Israel is making a mistake again, one that could potentially lead to the destruction of themselves, Iran and everything between them.
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Postby Zrhajan » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:56 pm

Page wrote:
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Lot of good that did, huh?


It did. Iran was 100% compliant until the day America abandoned the deal.

Let's be real, here, Iran was compliant even after America abandoned the deal. Note, after all, that this announcement that they plan on breaking the limit comes well after America reimposing sanctions.
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Dooom35796821595 wrote:This shows that Iran was never serious about limiting its nuclear program,


Uh, how? Isn't west the one who continuously break their commitment to 2015 agreement?
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:59 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
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We were aware of those facilities and Iran was bound to allow those facilities to be inspected with virtually no notice. And inspectors did come and Iran let them in.


Lot of good that did, huh?


I mean, Iran went from a stockpile of 10,000 kg of enriched uranium to less that 300 kg of enriched uranium. That was a good thing.

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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:01 pm

Mojave Confederation wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:This shows that Iran was never serious about limiting its nuclear program,


Uh, how? Isn't west the one who continuously break their commitment to 2015 agreement?


“The west” isn’t a monolithic entity. The deal was abandoned by the USA, an action condemned by every other party to the nuclear deal.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:02 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
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Lot of good that did, huh?


I mean, Iran went from a stockpile of 10,000 kg of enriched uranium to less that 300 kg of enriched uranium. That was a good thing.


And yet they could get back to doing it in, what, a month? The fact that we didn't get the facilities dismantled to prevent that is a pretty massive hole in that deal if you ask me.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:03 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
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I mean, Iran went from a stockpile of 10,000 kg of enriched uranium to less that 300 kg of enriched uranium. That was a good thing.


And yet they could get back to doing it in, what, a month? The fact that we didn't get the facilities dismantled to prevent that is a pretty massive hole in that deal if you ask me.


No, they could get back up to 300 kg in a month. It'll take a lot longer to get anywhere near what they had before.

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Postby Mojave Confederation » Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:03 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
I mean, Iran went from a stockpile of 10,000 kg of enriched uranium to less that 300 kg of enriched uranium. That was a good thing.


And yet they could get back to doing it in, what, a month? The fact that we didn't get the facilities dismantled to prevent that is a pretty massive hole in that deal if you ask me.

And yet that's the deal they were agreed on, and one that Iran stick with.
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:04 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Mojave Confederation wrote:
Uh, how? Isn't west the one who continuously break their commitment to 2015 agreement?


“The west” isn’t a monolithic entity. The deal was abandoned by the USA, an action condemned by every other party to the nuclear deal.


asking them to hold the deal when one of the largest economic benefits of going into it is removed is rather stupid.

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I mean, Iran went from a stockpile of 10,000 kg of enriched uranium to less that 300 kg of enriched uranium. That was a good thing.


And yet they could get back to doing it in, what, a month? The fact that we didn't get the facilities dismantled to prevent that is a pretty massive hole in that deal if you ask me.


Iran had no reason to break the deal until we put sanctions back on them and threatened them with war. Calling it a major home the deal is rather silly because it's not something they would have wanted to do unless we withdrew from it.
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