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Postby Duhon » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:46 pm

Apologies for that title -- there's only so much you can try and fit. anyway:

A Chinese fishing vessel hit a Filipino boat in waters off the Reed Bank or Recto Bank in the West Philippine Sea, Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana said on Wednesday.

In a statement, Lorenzana denounced the Chinese vessel for leaving the scene immediately after the collision leaving the Filipino crew at sea.

"A collision between a Chinese and Filipino vessel (FB Gimber1) was reported by Filipino fishermen near the Recto Bank in the West Philippine on the evening of June 9, 2019. The collision sank the Filipino vessel," Lorenzana said.

"We denounce the actions of the Chinese fishing vessel for immediately leaving the incident scene abandoning the 22 Filipino crewmen to the mercy of the elements," he added.

Lorenzana called for a formal investigation and diplomatic measures to prevent a similar incident involving Philippine and Chinese boats.

"We condemn in the strongest terms the cowardly action of the Chinese fishing vessel and its crew for abandoning the Filipino crew. This is not the expected action from a responsible and friendly people," Lorenzana said.

"We call for the conduct of a formal investigation on the matter and for diplomatic steps be taken to prevent a repeat of this incident," he added.

Lorenzana said the crew of a Vietnamese fishing vessel, which happened to be in the area when the incident happened, came to the aid of the Filipinos.

All 22 Filipino crew were brought to safety in coordination with the Navy's BRP Ramon Alcaraz, which was conducting a routine maritime patrol in the area.

“We thank the captain and crew of Vietnamese vessel for saving the lives of the 22 Filipino crew,” Lorenzana said.

The Reed Bank or Recto Bank, which is near Palawan, is well within the Philippines' exclusive economic zone.

An 2016 arbitral ruling invalidated China's excessive claims in the South China Sea and upheld the Philippines' exclusive economic zone under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS).


Yep, things are escalating, and as a Pinoy long pissed off at Chinese "business" with our territories, as well as our government playing the lapdog and effectively conceding more and more of our share of said territories in return for funding public works projects, I can't help but be gratified that people in power are finally reacting.

You know shit got real when -- according to recent reports -- Rody Duterte, a figure of otherwise remarkable reticence with regards to China and its claim to nearly all of the south China sea, was reported to be furiously angry over this incident. More than that -- that our Defense Secretary was compelled to release a strong statement, and our presidential spokesperson had to come and speak out about the government's displeasure at this maritime hit-and-run.

You also know shit's getting real when the Chinese foreign minister issued its own statement, noting that while the Chinese government is investigating what it calls an "accidental" collision (you haven't started yet, yet you frame it that way! how very convenient!), it was "irresponsible" for the Philippines to "politicize" the incident.

I dunno, I'm actually (probably illogically) hopeful this can mean something good, even in the short run.

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Postby Bluelight-R006 » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:54 pm

With recent events of China and Philippines in the territory dispute of the South China Sea, I think that China would do its best to shield any discussions and political debates discriminating them. That can be seen by your last statement, where it blamed Philippines irresponsible to politicize the news.

What the fishing boat of China did after the collision was cowardice, or pride. They could’ve been scared and wanted to leave the area before suspicious arouse, or they didn’t want to help the Filipinos. Which, I have a little hope for their mercy, and say it’s the former.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:35 pm

It’s not unfair in the least to politicize this seeing as it involves waters that apparently do belong to the Philippines. Not to mention that you cause an accident and then run off without aiding the victims. A hit and run. Had it not been for the Vietnamese boat and the scheduled PH navy patrol, the crew of that ship would have most certainly perished. The Filipino reaction is not surprising and is rather justified.
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Postby Bluelight-R006 » Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:10 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:It’s not unfair in the least to politicize this seeing as it involves waters that apparently do belong to the Philippines. Not to mention that you cause an accident and then run off without aiding the victims. A hit and run. Had it not been for the Vietnamese boat and the scheduled PH navy patrol, the crew of that ship would have most certainly perished. The Filipino reaction is not surprising and is rather justified.

The Chinese recognise the nine dash line they claim is their maritime borders. They don’t recognise the Philippine maritime borders, and they expect everyone to recognise that. And they would support their own people no matter the large wrongdoing they do, as long as it doesn’t affect themselves. This has been happening for years. I wonder when things will change.

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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:13 pm

I think the Filipino reaction is justified. After all, it's their people and the said incident happened in 'contested' waters that also happened to be included within the Philippines' EEZ.
Let's appreciate the actions of the Vietnamese crews and the Filipino navy patrol that managed to save the Filipino crews in time for if it didn't happen, the Filipino crews may have perished.

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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:20 pm

Bluelight-R006 wrote:The Chinese recognise the nine dash line they claim is their maritime borders. They don’t recognise the Philippine maritime borders, and they expect everyone to recognise that. And they would support their own people no matter the large wrongdoing they do, as long as it doesn’t affect themselves. This has been happening for years. I wonder when things will change.


Things won't change at this rate, or at least won't be happened soon. As long as the Southeast Asian nations don't stand up together to protect their claims in the South China sea, the People's Republic may as well keep letting these kind of things to happen.

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Postby Bluelight-R006 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:10 am

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
Bluelight-R006 wrote:The Chinese recognise the nine dash line they claim is their maritime borders. They don’t recognise the Philippine maritime borders, and they expect everyone to recognise that. And they would support their own people no matter the large wrongdoing they do, as long as it doesn’t affect themselves. This has been happening for years. I wonder when things will change.


Things won't change at this rate, or at least won't be happened soon. As long as the Southeast Asian nations don't stand up together to protect their claims in the South China sea, the People's Republic may as well keep letting these kind of things to happen.

I think they have better things to care about, because they prefer to think about updating their own policies, budgets for the following years. Or they’re scared of China’s intimidating forces. My nation has never talked about China affecting their sea borders, probably because it doesn’t. Singapore is a small area that probably doesn’t even touch China’s nine dash line.

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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:40 am

Bluelight-R006 wrote:I think they have better things to care about, because they prefer to think about updating their own policies, budgets for the following years. Or they’re scared of China’s intimidating forces. My nation has never talked about China affecting their sea borders, probably because it doesn’t. Singapore is a small area that probably doesn’t even touch China’s nine dash line.

Sure. Many of Southeast Asian countries are still in the 'developing' stage, and they have many problems to take care about. However, seeing that the People's Republic are establishing their physical presence in the South China sea region, the claimant nations of SEA have to do something to counter the PRC's claims, if they don't want to lose.

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Miss him? Nah, we just need him. In all honesty we don’t miss him.

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
Bluelight-R006 wrote:I think they have better things to care about, because they prefer to think about updating their own policies, budgets for the following years. Or they’re scared of China’s intimidating forces. My nation has never talked about China affecting their sea borders, probably because it doesn’t. Singapore is a small area that probably doesn’t even touch China’s nine dash line.

Sure. Many of Southeast Asian countries are still in the 'developing' stage, and they have many problems to take care about. However, seeing that the People's Republic are establishing their physical presence in the South China sea region, the claimant nations of SEA have to do something to counter the PRC's claims, if they don't want to lose.

I don’t know if Southeast Asian countries want to do any business with China. They possibly don’t feel like it, simply. But I’m not their government so I won’t accuse them of anything.

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Postby Castelia » Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:05 am

Duhon wrote:You know shit got real when -- according to recent reports -- Rody Duterte, a figure of otherwise remarkable reticence with regards to China and its claim to nearly all of the south China sea, was reported to be furiously angry over this incident. More than that -- that our Defense Secretary was compelled to release a strong statement, and our presidential spokesperson had to come and speak out about the government's displeasure at this maritime hit-and-run.


As a fellow Filipino, I'm not buying Duterte's supposed anger. Nor do I buy the recent actions of the government in showing their "discontent" against this incident.

The way I see it, they're just trying to pacify the growing discontent over their inaction against Chinese expansionism. Believe me, this'll be gone from the news in a week. It'll be quietly forgotten because of some new scandal, and everything goes the way Winnie the Pooh wants it to be.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:10 am

Nefarious 4D-chessmaster China delegates enforcement of maritime claims to its loyal fisherbois. Ramming speed, ho!
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Postby Bluelight-R006 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:14 am

Castelia wrote:
Duhon wrote:You know shit got real when -- according to recent reports -- Rody Duterte, a figure of otherwise remarkable reticence with regards to China and its claim to nearly all of the south China sea, was reported to be furiously angry over this incident. More than that -- that our Defense Secretary was compelled to release a strong statement, and our presidential spokesperson had to come and speak out about the government's displeasure at this maritime hit-and-run.


As a fellow Filipino, I'm not buying Duterte's supposed anger. Nor do I buy the recent actions of the government in showing their "discontent" against this incident.

The way I see it, they're just trying to pacify the growing discontent over their inaction against Chinese expansionism. Believe me, this'll be gone from the news in a week. It'll be quietly forgotten because of some new scandal, and everything goes the way Winnie the Pooh wants it to be.

This news should be gone in a week, true. But China’s actions of leaving the scene of accident without helping the people affected is obviously against being right. I think it’s fair the filipino government feel angry, because of their feud with China.

But other than that, I agree with everything else. They should take action if they’re angry, especially when the United States also offered to help.

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Postby Bombadil » Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:16 am

Bluelight-R006 wrote:
Castelia wrote:
As a fellow Filipino, I'm not buying Duterte's supposed anger. Nor do I buy the recent actions of the government in showing their "discontent" against this incident.

The way I see it, they're just trying to pacify the growing discontent over their inaction against Chinese expansionism. Believe me, this'll be gone from the news in a week. It'll be quietly forgotten because of some new scandal, and everything goes the way Winnie the Pooh wants it to be.

This news should be gone in a week, true. But China’s actions of leaving the scene of accident without helping the people affected is obviously against being right. I think it’s fair the filipino government feel angry, because of their feud with China.

But other than that, I agree with everything else. They should take action if they’re angry, especially when the United States also offered to help.


Typically in vehicle accidents they'll reverse and ensure the victims are dead so as not to pay lifetime compensation. So those sailors are lucky.
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Bombadil wrote:
Bluelight-R006 wrote:This news should be gone in a week, true. But China’s actions of leaving the scene of accident without helping the people affected is obviously against being right. I think it’s fair the filipino government feel angry, because of their feud with China.

But other than that, I agree with everything else. They should take action if they’re angry, especially when the United States also offered to help.


Typically in vehicle accidents they'll reverse and ensure the victims are dead so as not to pay lifetime compensation. So those sailors are lucky.

Lives are more valuable than money, but if you have to pay for life, forget it. That’s pretty much what almost everyone thinks nowadays, I guess.

But now those sailors attributed to a number of reasons why the Philippines should hate China, but then again, they won’t be fighting. So, is it fair, though?

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Postby Pasong Tirad » Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:29 am

Several updates.

The fishermen are back home. They're recounting their experiences. They say they were asleep when they got rammed. The Philippine Navy believes the ramming was intentional. China has released a statement calling it an accident, and that the vessel abandoned the drowning fishermen for fear of being "besieged" by them, whatever the hell that means.

The fishermen are saying that the Vietnamese fishermen who saved them said three words to them in English: "Vietnam. Philippines. Friend."

Duterte is still uncategorically mum about the incident - because of course he is.

Edit: apparently a Filipino said those three words. He used his index finger attempting to communicate that Vietnam and the Philippines are friends. The Vietnamese fisherman only responded with "Okay." So, a little less dramatic than I first thought. Apologies for the wrong information.
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Postby Luziyca » Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:16 am

Here's hoping the fishermen are not too scarred from the experience.
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Postby Chan Island » Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:19 am

Leaving the crew of a damaged boat to drown is one hell of a dick move. Thank goodness those fishermen were saved.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:07 am

Chan Island wrote:Leaving the crew of a damaged boat to drown is one hell of a dick move. Thank goodness those fishermen were saved.

It is also against international law, let's see if China offers the "fishermen", up for justice.
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Ethel mermania wrote:
Chan Island wrote:Leaving the crew of a damaged boat to drown is one hell of a dick move. Thank goodness those fishermen were saved.

It is also against international law, let's see if China offers the "fishermen", up for justice.

Ah yes, let us take chinese fisherman to the Hague to be tried on the International Court of Justice, where a case may very well take a decade to be even be considered to be put on trial.
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Ethel mermania wrote:
Chan Island wrote:Leaving the crew of a damaged boat to drown is one hell of a dick move. Thank goodness those fishermen were saved.

It is also against international law, let's see if China offers the "fishermen", up for justice.

Haha, no. They’ll offer those fishermen ‘innocence’ as the government defend their actions.

I do have a little underserved hope in China, I’ll assume that it was an accident.

Mojave Confederation wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:It is also against international law, let's see if China offers the "fishermen", up for justice.

Ah yes, let us take chinese fisherman to the Hague to be tried on the International Court of Justice, where a case may very well take a decade to be even be considered to be put on trial.

That’s unfortunate. We’ll settle this in the back alley. Chinese courts would claim they’re innocent, as clearly seen even by their government’s actions. So, where else?
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Postby Risottia » Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:44 am

Am I the only one who though this was about Swiss pirates?

Seriously, who ever used CH for China?
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Postby Bluelight-R006 » Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:46 am

Risottia wrote:Am I the only one who though this was about Swiss pirates?

Seriously, who ever used CH for China?

Title restrictions call for misunderstood name abbreviations.

If you have a better 2-letter abbreviation, then go ahead, but I’d use CH because... well, I have no better idea.

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