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Postby Cerinda » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:39 pm

Surkiea wrote:I hope this will cause the toppling of the regime, we need to bomb Iranian military and civilian targets and create a way for our ground troops to occupy the country, we then take their oil fields and set up a friendly government.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:13 pm

Surkiea wrote:I hope this will cause the toppling of the regime, we need to bomb Iranian military and civilian targets and create a way for our ground troops to occupy the country, we then take their oil fields and set up a friendly government.


More like we will bomb civilian targets thereby massacring innocent people while Russian anti aircraft weapons bought from putin himself shoot our planes down, machine guns mow our ground troops into gibbets and years of bloody war tear Iran apart before America eventually retreats, leaving the ayatollah still in charge but in charge of a wasteland.

I don't know what is more disturbing. The fact you support bombing civilians or the fact you think our soldiers lives don't matter and can be thrown away in the straights of hormuz. Then again for all I know you're a Saudi or even worse an Israeli and you don't care how much it damages my people as long as your people can sit on the sideline and watch mine takes bullets, rocket fire, napalm and chemical attacks, dying brutally again and again
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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:16 pm

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Thanatttynia wrote:Diplomacy with Iran impossible? Seem to remember there being a nuclear deal signed with them a few years ago to which the US was signatory... surely US Cons haven't forgotten about that already lol

A deal that should never have been made, and one that simply resulted in the surviving of the IR's economy for a few more years, resulting in literally nothing but the upkeep of militias and terrorist organizations in Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, """""Palestine""""", and Iraq, itself resulting in the murder of hundreds more of civilians in literally every single Middle Eastern country except for maybe Turkey, all the while not stopping Iranian ambitions for nuclear terrorism -something that's actually kinda made into a Joke in Iran itself, with multiple officials explaining how they snuck the reactors past the inspections anyway.


you mean Lebanon where saudi backed Islamist spilled in and began murdering people during the Syrian civil war?
Syria where those militants spent most of the time burning churches and murdering minorities?
Palestine where Israel constantly shoots kids and bulldozes people's houses
And Yemen where saudi airstrikes are massacring the local population?

I guess Mossad is out in full force on nation states today. I can smell the presence of war hawk foreigners
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:52 pm

Looks like not everyone is buying the US story. In this case, it's the Germans calling shenanigans.
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Postby The Archipelago Territory » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:56 pm

THERE WAS AN IRANIAN MINE FOUND IN THE SHIP, BUT TORPEDOES WERE FIRED. SOMEONE IS TRYING TO FRAME IRAN!
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Postby Scomagia » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:00 pm

I see people are still jumping the gun and whacking off to the "durr, false flag, durr" conspiracy theories. I am unsurprised.
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Postby The Archipelago Territory » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:02 pm

I’m not suggesting false flag at all. I still believe it was an Iranian or middle eastern group, just not official Iranian Gov. what do they have to gain here? The oil was going to Taiwan
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Postby Rio Cana » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:04 pm

One thing is for sure, with the US involvement in Iran the heat will be taken off Venezuela. Venezuela might even increase there money reserves since a war with Iran will increase oil prices.
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Postby Rio Cana » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:11 pm

Surkiea wrote:I hope this will cause the toppling of the regime, we need to bomb Iranian military and civilian targets and create a way for our ground troops to occupy the country, we then take their oil fields and set up a friendly government.


You know this could start a larger war. Iran is the balance to Turkey. No Iran means there is really nothing to stop Turkey from expanding. This will greatly worry Armenia. If Turkey decides to invade Armenia then Azerbaijan will invade the Republic of Nagorno Karabakh and Armenia. Then the US will have to support Armenia. Chances are the Russians will also get involved. What a mess.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:11 pm

The Archipelago Territory wrote:THERE WAS AN IRANIAN MINE FOUND IN THE SHIP, BUT TORPEDOES WERE FIRED. SOMEONE IS TRYING TO FRAME IRAN!

so let me get this straight if an Iranian mine was found and the most of the holes made in the ships were above the water line while only 1 or 2 were partially or fully underwater such as this one
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modern day torpedo doctrine is to not fire into the side of the target ship but to fire underneath the target ship and lift it breaking the beam of the ship causing the ship to sink. The photo looks more like mine damage that was amplified by the pressure wave being compressed by the water. and the only regional threat to iran besides the US is the Saudis and they have not done sophisticated naval assaults like this since ever plus the UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, nor Kuwait would do this which would drastically effect them in negative ways. plus you nor anyone else has proof to show that another nation is trying to frame iran
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:26 pm

Theory time: it was neither the US nor the Iranian government, it was the IRGC running rampant with no oversight trying to get back at us for declaring them a terror organization.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:28 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Theory time: it was neither the US nor the Iranian government, it was the IRGC running rampant with no oversight trying to get back at us for declaring them a terror organization.


Counter theory. It was the Chinese trying to take eyes of what is happening in Hong Kong with the added bonus of disrupting oil supply to Taiwan.

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Postby The Lone Alliance » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:29 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Theory time: it was neither the US nor the Iranian government, it was the IRGC running rampant with no oversight trying to get back at us for declaring them a terror organization.

That I could see the IRGC seems to act like the CIA (Or the SS) in the sense that they act how they will without bothering to get their government's permission and they see themselves as their own thing.
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Postby Torrocca » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:32 pm



I wouldn't call them just eyewitnesses, seeing as how they were the victims of what's at the very least attempted mass-murder. Also, considering it's not just one crew member's report, but multiple reports from multiple crew members, it has way more credibility than Mike Pompeo almost immediately screeching "IRAN DID IT!!1!"
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Postby Scomagia » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:36 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable.


I wouldn't call them just eyewitnesses, seeing as how they were the victims of what's at the very least attempted mass-murder. Also, considering it's not just one crew member's report, but multiple reports from multiple crew members, it has way more credibility than Mike Pompeo almost immediately screeching "IRAN DID IT!!1!"

Not really. People wrongly remember normal things they just saw, to say nothing of a chaotic event.
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Postby Torrocca » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:38 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
I wouldn't call them just eyewitnesses, seeing as how they were the victims of what's at the very least attempted mass-murder. Also, considering it's not just one crew member's report, but multiple reports from multiple crew members, it has way more credibility than Mike Pompeo almost immediately screeching "IRAN DID IT!!1!"

Not really. People wrongly remember normal things they just saw, to say nothing of a chaotic event.


And multiple people independently claiming a similar event happened (who were victims of that event, mind you) don't have more credibility than somebody halfway across the world immediately screaming about who the perpetrator is not even a day after the events unfolded because... why, exactly?
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Postby Scomagia » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:46 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Not really. People wrongly remember normal things they just saw, to say nothing of a chaotic event.


And multiple people independently claiming a similar event happened (who were victims of that event, mind you) don't have more credibility than somebody halfway across the world immediately screaming about who the perpetrator is not even a day after the events unfolded because... why, exactly?

I just fucking told you. People can credit things that happened before or after traumatic events as being causative or related to the event when they aren't. Multiple eyewitnesses can, in fact, reinforce the false perceptions. Seriously. I find them as uncredible as Pompeo.
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Scomagia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
And multiple people independently claiming a similar event happened (who were victims of that event, mind you) don't have more credibility than somebody halfway across the world immediately screaming about who the perpetrator is not even a day after the events unfolded because... why, exactly?

I just fucking told you. People can credit things that happened before or after traumatic events as being causative or related to the event when they aren't. Multiple eyewitnesses can, in fact, reinforce the false perceptions. Seriously. I find them as uncredible as Pompeo.


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Postby Gig em Aggies » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:53 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Theory time: it was neither the US nor the Iranian government, it was the IRGC running rampant with no oversight trying to get back at us for declaring them a terror organization.

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Postby Totally Not OEP » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:54 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Theory time: it was neither the US nor the Iranian government, it was the IRGC running rampant with no oversight trying to get back at us for declaring them a terror organization.


This has literally been my thoughts the entire time.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:55 pm

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