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Postby Cetacea » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:41 pm

So two more oil tankers have been attacked in the Gulf of Oman, and Mike Pompeo has blamed Iran due to an assessment "based on intelligence", but has not offered actual evidence to support his claim except to say that "no proxy group operating in the area has the resources and proficiency to act with such a high degree of sophistication".

The report from the first Norwegian owned tanker is a that fire broke out after an explosion and that the cause of the blast was unclear. The second Japanese tanker report they were hit twice with some sort of shell. The crew of USS navy ship has also reported that they saw an unexploded limpet mine on the side of one of the tankers. US Navy has sent more ships to the region to provide 'security'
Iran denies any involvement and Iran's Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif said "suspicious doesn't begin to describe what likely transpired this morning".

The attack occured in the middle of a visit by Japans PM Shinzo Abe to Ayatollah Ali Khamenei trying to act as a mediator, however after the attack the Ayatollah declared that "The Islamic Republic of Iran has no trust in America"

If there is something the world cannot afford, it is a major confrontation in the Gulf region,” United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres told the United Nations Security Council when they discussed the attack

Oh and Oil Prices have already jumped

So NSG, do you think that the US will drum up enough support to use this incident as an excuse to attack Iran? The virtuous enlightened leaders of Saudi Arabia are of course backing their US financiers to accuse Iran. But what possible reason could Iran have to make the attacks? Theyre already suffering Trumps isolationist ban. The US said they would produce evidence and are yet to do so, other than this latest incident.

So NSG, who dunnit?

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Postby Risottia » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:58 pm

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Postby Stiltball » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:58 pm

As Sajid Javid seems eager to please the Americans by signing the extradition request for Julian Assange maybe he will do a Bliar and produce a dodgy dossier and help his leadership quest at the same time.

Some possible suspects other than Iran
-Saudis trying to stigmatise and weaken Iran.
- The oil companies wanting their share of Iran's oil.
- Yanks testing the water and pre election boost for Republicans.

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Postby Vistulange » Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:01 pm

Stiltball wrote:- The oil companies wanting their share of Iran's oil.

Uhm, the easiest and least costly way to do this might be to lift the sanctions on Iran, instead of engaging in a war that'll be probably very bloody and extremely long, with a rather long period of occupation and a nearly impossible process of state-building in the aftermath...
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Postby -Ocelot- » Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:03 pm

Iran could strike the US with nuclear weapons and Americans would still defend Iran.
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Postby Risottia » Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:10 pm

-Ocelot- wrote:Iran could strike the US with nuclear weapons and Americans would still defend Iran.

Exactly, when did Iran ever fire nuclear weapons at anyone in anger?
What country would ever fire nuclear weapons at anyone in anger?
What country would ever fire nuclear weapons at anyone in anger and not as a retaliation to a nuclear strike?
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:11 pm

Oh lord, it begins
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Postby -Ocelot- » Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:12 pm

Risottia wrote:
-Ocelot- wrote:Iran could strike the US with nuclear weapons and Americans would still defend Iran.

Exactly, when did Iran ever fire nuclear weapons at anyone in anger?
What country would ever fire nuclear weapons at anyone in anger?
What country would ever fire nuclear weapons at anyone in anger and not as a retaliation to a nuclear strike?


Thanks for proving my point.
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Postby North German Realm » Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:13 pm

I was this close to making the thread myself tbh. Anyway, Isn't the UNSC debating on what to do right now? They were last I read it -America called for a session. It's kinda hilarously obvious it's Iran's doing -literally anything happening around their borders that isn't ISIS is Iran's doing, and ISIS has little history of naval terrorism, unlike Iran, but I do wonder if the world will care about oil more than it did the millions the Islamic government suppressed inside Iran or murdered outside it through proxy wars and proxy militias.
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Postby Eglaecia » Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:16 pm

North German Realm wrote:Isn't the UNSC debating on what to do right now? They were last I read it -America called for a session. It's kinda hilarously obvious it's Iran's doing -literally anything happening around their borders that isn't ISIS is Iran's doing, and ISIS has little history of naval terrorism, unlike Iran, but I do wonder if the world will care about oil more than it did the millions the Islamic government suppressed inside Iran or murdered outside it through proxy wars and proxy militias.

Yeah sorry but America has lied about their cause for war for both Iraq and Vietnam, I don't trust them to be telling the truth about Iran, no matter how much I hate Iran.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:17 pm

North German Realm wrote:Isn't the UNSC debating on what to do right now? They were last I read it -America called for a session. It's kinda hilarously obvious it's Iran's doing -literally anything happening around their borders that isn't ISIS is Iran's doing, and ISIS has little history of naval terrorism, unlike Iran, but I do wonder if the world will care about oil more than it did the millions the Islamic government suppressed inside Iran or murdered outside it through proxy wars and proxy militias.

I didn't know Sarge and Master chief were involved the covenant must be involved somehow maybe plotting with the Iranians on how to attack civilian ships.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:18 pm

Yeah um hi if we're going to start another war in the Middle East can we at least go after the Saudis? K thnx

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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:18 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Yeah um hi if we're going to start another war in the Middle East can we at least go after the Saudis? K thnx

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Postby North German Realm » Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:18 pm

Eglaecia wrote:
North German Realm wrote:Isn't the UNSC debating on what to do right now? They were last I read it -America called for a session. It's kinda hilarously obvious it's Iran's doing -literally anything happening around their borders that isn't ISIS is Iran's doing, and ISIS has little history of naval terrorism, unlike Iran, but I do wonder if the world will care about oil more than it did the millions the Islamic government suppressed inside Iran or murdered outside it through proxy wars and proxy militias.

Yeah sorry but America has lied about their cause for war for both Iraq and Vietnam, I don't trust them to be telling the truth about Iran, no matter how much I hate Iran.

America lied about neither Iraq nor Vietnam. Iraq had chemical weapons (it used them in Kuwait, Iran, and even in the Gulf War) and was this close to getting nukes, and really, the war on Vietnam was always about how "Commies are getting into power and if they do, they might go after other countries in the area" which... well, it had Commies, they were going to win without NATO help, and they did result in fellow Communist regimes getting propped in neighboring areas, namely Cambodia -the Khmer Rouge and later the People's Republic- and Laos, the latter of which is still socialist).
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:19 pm

Eglaecia wrote:
North German Realm wrote:Isn't the UNSC debating on what to do right now? They were last I read it -America called for a session. It's kinda hilarously obvious it's Iran's doing -literally anything happening around their borders that isn't ISIS is Iran's doing, and ISIS has little history of naval terrorism, unlike Iran, but I do wonder if the world will care about oil more than it did the millions the Islamic government suppressed inside Iran or murdered outside it through proxy wars and proxy militias.

Yeah sorry but America has lied about their cause for war for both Iraq and Vietnam, I don't trust them to be telling the truth about Iran, no matter how much I hate Iran.

TBF in Vietnam the French dragged the US into the war and once we took over they left us with a mess so that's our fault and neither is Iraq but leave those to another thread.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:19 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Yeah um hi if we're going to start another war in the Middle East can we at least go after the Saudis? K thnx


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Postby North German Realm » Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:19 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Yeah um hi if we're going to start another war in the Middle East can we at least go after the Saudis? K thnx
I for one support that motion the moment the Islamic Republic's been removed and its leaders hanged like the criminals they are.
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Postby Sundowers » Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:20 pm

this reeks of the tanker war during the late 80s, apparently some US offical said that we will see if we should re-flag some of the tankers.

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Postby Soviet Tankistan » Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:20 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Yeah um hi if we're going to start another war in the Middle East can we at least go after the Saudis? K thnx

That would be better to see. Unfortunately the Trump administration is too concerned for their own riches to speak against Saudi Arabia.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:20 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Yeah um hi if we're going to start another war in the Middle East can we at least go after the Saudis? K thnx


You don't kill your customers. That's just bad business.


Nonsense. Then you can keep their money and get your stuff back. It's a win-win!

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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:21 pm

OOF

Nice knowing ya, Khamenei.
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Postby Duhon » Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:22 pm

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Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:OOF

Nice knowing ya, Khamenei.

As an Iranian, I've gotta say it really wasn't.
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North German Realm wrote:
Eglaecia wrote:Yeah sorry but America has lied about their cause for war for both Iraq and Vietnam, I don't trust them to be telling the truth about Iran, no matter how much I hate Iran.

America lied about neither Iraq nor Vietnam. Iraq had chemical weapons (it used them in Kuwait, Iran, and even in the Gulf War) and was this close to getting nukes, and really, the war on Vietnam was always about how "Commies are getting into power and if they do, they might go after other countries in the area" which... well, it had Commies, they were going to win without NATO help, and they did result in fellow Communist regimes getting propped in neighboring areas, namely Cambodia -the Khmer Rouge and later the People's Republic- and Laos, the latter of which is still socialist).


Vietnam is still Socialist, as well.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:23 pm

North German Realm wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:OOF

Nice knowing ya, Khamenei.

As an Iranian, I've gotta say it really wasn't.


It's called sarcasm, friend.
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"President Macron, the peasants are revolting!"
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Kannap wrote:This look isn't cute on you.

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