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A Jail Time Scenario

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What do you choose?

Option 1 (throw me in with the general prison population)
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Option 2 (Glass Box)
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Infected Mushroom
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A Jail Time Scenario

Postby Infected Mushroom » Sun May 26, 2019 7:58 am

Please consider the following hypothetical:

In a dystopian future (in which the world is run by a world government called the United Nations), you are a powerful magic user.

You have been recruited by a magical supremacist organisation. This organisation believes in the superiority of magic users and in the destiny of those with magic to rule over those without (they are descended from a cult that worships the Witch Queen dating back to the medieval ages).

You launch a revolution against the world's nations. You (along with others in your organization) use magic to kill large numbers of soldiers and civilians. However, your revolution was very poorly timed and in very short order all of you are killed, captured, or defeated.

In the aftermath of the war (in which your side is decisively defeated), you are sentenced for your war time crimes.

The United Nations does not use the death penalty. After you have been permanently stripped of your magic, they decide to give you a choice of two options with respect to your permanent incarceration with no possibility of parole.

Option 1:
You will be housed with the general prison population in a max security facility. This means that during many parts of the day, you will interact with a mass of other prisoners. Despite having lost your magical powers, you are known (amongst the prisoners) as a magic user and a mass murderer. The prison population, consisting overwhelmingly of born non-magics (over 98%) are on the whole very very hostile towards your kind. Guards are known to turn a blind eye towards personal attacks/abuse directed at magic users.

However, there is a possibility (depending on your IRL personal strength/toughness, charisma, and social skills) that you could make some friends. Perhaps a greater possibility that you could get stabbed, beaten, or abused in other ways.

Option 2:
You will be housed in a modern Glass Box for the rest of your life. This is a large floating transparent box suspended in mid air designed to keep you permanently inside. You will never be able to leave the Glass Box, it will be your home 24/7.

The good thing is that you are 100% protected from the rest of the prisoners.

The con (very obviously) is that aside from a few guards who come to deliver food to you and clean some things up, no visitors are ever allowed you are stuck in the Glass Box for all of eternity. You could go insane from the complete lack of friendly human contact.

Please note that if you choose the Glass Box option, it is permanent. When/If you start to go insane or suffer incredibly from the isolation, the guards will remind you of your permanent choice to be here.


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Whether you choose Option 1 or 2, you are realistically never leaving the prison.

Remember, close to everyone in the facility (since they largely consist of non-magics) absolutely hate you. You can expect a certain level of professionalism from the guards but its part of the prison culture for them to turn a complete blind eye when bad things happen to unpopular ex magic users.

Which option do you choose?

Please justify your choice and discuss.

I choose Option 2 because I would be very very very scared of the other prisoners. I don't think I would last very long under Option 1. Yeah, that's my simple answer (and of course, I'd rather none of this happened to me).
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun May 26, 2019 8:11 am

Number one. I’m naturally a very friendly person and I’d go insane within about 24 hours of not seeing a single person
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sun May 26, 2019 8:24 am

Thermodolia wrote:Number one. I’m naturally a very friendly person and I’d go insane within about 24 hours of not seeing a single person


I see...

Makes sense

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Postby Dogmeat » Sun May 26, 2019 8:33 am

Continuing in the theme of IM threads with pointlessly long and contrived backstories.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun May 26, 2019 8:36 am

Dogmeat wrote:Continuing in the theme of IM threads with pointlessly long and contrived backstories.

And "powerful" magic users who can't actually beat a conventional army.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Sun May 26, 2019 9:05 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Dogmeat wrote:Continuing in the theme of IM threads with pointlessly long and contrived backstories.

And "powerful" magic users who can't actually beat a conventional army.

Not to mention the theme of premeditated mass-murder of innocent civilians by organisations with supremacist ideologies that imagine they are somehow superior to non-magic users.

As for this character in the OP -- who is too dissimilar to me to even be an alternate world video game version (asking someone to imagine they committed mass-murder is really too far) -- stripping the premise back to its core: general population or lifelong isolation?

A life spent in isolation would be mentally damaging, to the point that solitary confinement must be used within careful limits, otherwise it can constitute torture.

If the character described in the OP were a real person, it would be mentally healthier for them to interact with other people.

Of course, someone who committed ideologically motivated mass-murder would probably not be allowed to mix with the general population, nor be safe to do so (in case they tried to convert others to their harmful viewpoint). So, there is always the other side of it.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Sun May 26, 2019 9:14 am

Ignoring the fact this is totally out-of-character for me...

I was under the general impression that mass-murderers are exactly the kind of people you'd want to avoid in prison. Like, they're on the "Oh him? Yeah don't fuck with him, man. Shit ain't worth it. Dude's a real psycho." list.
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Postby Dogmeat » Sun May 26, 2019 9:22 am

Really, you don't need a fictional backstory, this is a choice that real people face all the time (or rather, a choice that gets made for them.)

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Postby Kowani » Sun May 26, 2019 9:30 am

As much as I like my solitude on occasion, I’d go insane. Plus I’m relatively charismatic, so general population it is!
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Postby Ifreann » Sun May 26, 2019 9:44 am

Genpop, the better to foment revolution.
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Postby Andsed » Sun May 26, 2019 10:48 am

General population. Solitary confinement is basically torture and I would prefer to have a quick death than long suffering.

And as Ifreann said it would be easier to start a revolution. :p
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Postby Imbalistan » Sun May 26, 2019 10:52 am

Both options suck, but living in a glassbox would make you physically insane. No, GenPop. Maybe I could escape.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun May 26, 2019 10:56 am

Ifreann wrote:Genpop, the better to foment revolution.

Or get shanked.
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Postby Kowani » Sun May 26, 2019 10:58 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Genpop, the better to foment revolution.

Or get shanked.

Better a quick death than a slow wasting.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun May 26, 2019 11:44 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Genpop, the better to foment revolution.

Or get shanked.

Also possible, yes, but clearly I'm going to die regardless, I may as well risk my life trying to escape.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Sun May 26, 2019 11:56 am

Kowani wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Or get shanked.

Better a quick death than a slow wasting.

Normally, yes. But since this is a universe that conforms to cinematic laws, you know that all of the magic users are going to be released, and their powers restored, sometime in the third act.
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Postby Kowani » Sun May 26, 2019 12:00 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Kowani wrote:Better a quick death than a slow wasting.

Normally, yes. But since this is a universe that conforms to cinematic laws, you know that all of the magic users are going to be released, and their powers restored, sometime in the third act.

Oh, that’s true.
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Postby DidiLandBiBi » Sun May 26, 2019 12:04 pm

Option 1
Because the battles were lost but the war rages on while my heart still beats. With or without magic, keep killing those traitors. Mortals and steel bars cannot contain my majestic presence and god like battle prowess.
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Postby Upper Secundus » Sun May 26, 2019 12:08 pm

Option 2, pretty sure if I were to join a magical supremacist organisation and commit war crimes I'd already be pretty fucking loopy.
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Postby Satterthwaite » Sun May 26, 2019 12:22 pm

Is this a metaphor for something and, if so, what for?

In any case, there's a lot of information missing in the second hypothetical example. Like, how large is the glass box? What's the state of modern technology? Can I get a phone? Will I be able to have some entertainment? Can I request for some books and stuff? No visitors are allowed, sure, but that doesn't bar all communications, does it?
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Postby Andsed » Sun May 26, 2019 12:39 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Kowani wrote:Better a quick death than a slow wasting.

Normally, yes. But since this is a universe that conforms to cinematic laws, you know that all of the magic users are going to be released, and their powers restored, sometime in the third act.

But if were following cinematic laws then you and the other magic users will rampage and defeat everything in your way somehow and then when it looks like the magic users are about to win and take over the word the hero's will pull something out of their arse and save the day and place you back in prison and putting you back at square one.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Sun May 26, 2019 12:42 pm

Andsed wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Normally, yes. But since this is a universe that conforms to cinematic laws, you know that all of the magic users are going to be released, and their powers restored, sometime in the third act.

But if were following cinematic laws then you and the other magic users will rampage and defeat everything in your way somehow and then when it looks like the magic users are about to win and take over the word the hero's will pull something out of their arse and save the day and place you back in prison and putting you back at square one.

Or all die.

Still, one last shot at freedom.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun May 26, 2019 12:44 pm

Andsed wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Normally, yes. But since this is a universe that conforms to cinematic laws, you know that all of the magic users are going to be released, and their powers restored, sometime in the third act.

But if were following cinematic laws then you and the other magic users will rampage and defeat everything in your way somehow and then when it looks like the magic users are about to win and take over the word the hero's will pull something out of their arse and save the day and place you back in prison and putting you back at square one.

This is an IM production, so we'll probably end up as monarch of Earth.
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Postby Cappuccina » Sun May 26, 2019 12:46 pm

Option 1 for me, I'd probably try to start something with the prisoners, I can go out swinging. Good death.
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Postby Caracasus » Sun May 26, 2019 12:47 pm

Like they'd take me alive...

I dunno. Probably option 1. After all, the war has sapped the world government of its strength and considering how badly a very small percentage of the popukation managed to fuck over the government, they're looking weaker than ever before.

When the revolution proper begins, I want a fighting chance of making it out. In some fancy floating glass bollox they'd probably install some killswitch that floods it with poison gas if the revolutionaries breech the perimiter.
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