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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu May 23, 2019 5:53 pm

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A Trump administration proposal could allow federally-funded homeless shelters to deny services to transgender people, marking what advocates say is another attack on the community.

The proposal, published Wednesday, would rollback Obama-era protections to prevent single-sex shelters from discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity.

Under the Department of Housing and Urban Development rule change, homeless shelter operators could create a policy to consider "an individual’s sex for the purposes of determining accommodation within such shelters and for purposes of determining sex for admission to any facility or portion thereof."

Nearly one-third of transgender Americans who responded to a 2015 survey have experienced homelessness in their lifetime. Requiring transgender people to stay in shelters that don't match their gender identity can put them at further risk of violence and harassment, according to the National Center for Transgender Equality.


The factors that shelter operators can consider to determine someone's sex include "privacy, safety, practical concerns, religious beliefs," the proposed rule says, and "the individual’s sex as reflected in official government documents."

The Obama administration first passed an "Equal Access" rule for HUD programs in 2012, and in 2016 moved to ensure transgender and gender non-conforming people get services in accordance with their gender identity.



Mara Keisling, executive director of the National Center for Transgender Equality, said the rollback proposal contradicts the mission of the department.

“This is a heartless attack on some of the most vulnerable people in our society," Keisling said in a statement. "The programs impacted by this rule are life-saving for transgender people, particularly youth rejected by their families, and a lack of stable housing fuels the violence and abuse that takes the lives of many transgender people of color across the country."



The American Civil Liberties Union described the proposal as not just another discriminatory move against transgender people but an attempt to justify it with religion.

“When shelters are allowed to turn transgender people away — a policy that is sanctioned by a government that continues to push the lie that the mere existence of trans people threatens the privacy and safety of others — deadly violence against the trans community on the streets will rise," said Ian Thompson, a senior legislative representative for the union.



My view is that this is a stupid allowance in the rules. Transgender homeless people should not be denied shelter. This should not be allowed.


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Postby Nakena » Thu May 23, 2019 5:54 pm

How would they determine if someone is transgender?

Besides its a shitty and dubious move.

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Postby Autonomous Cleaner Bot Cleaners » Thu May 23, 2019 6:05 pm

But evil rapist men might go to all the trouble of transitioning their identities and/or bodies just so they can sneak into women's shelters and get their rape on.

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“When shelters are allowed to turn transgender people away — a policy that is sanctioned by a government that continues to push the lie that the mere existence of trans people threatens the privacy and safety of others — deadly violence against the trans community on the streets will rise," said Ian Thompson, a senior legislative representative for the union.


Yep, that's probably the idea, in all likelihood.
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Postby Trollgaard » Thu May 23, 2019 6:20 pm

What the actual fuck?!

Homeless shelters are for everyone...and quite frankly there is a need for more access to them...not restrictions.

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Postby New Excalibus » Thu May 23, 2019 6:28 pm

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Postby Nova Cyberia » Thu May 23, 2019 6:31 pm

I didn't even know there were single-sex shelters, tbh.
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Postby Galloism » Thu May 23, 2019 6:41 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:I didn't even know there were single-sex shelters, tbh.

Yeah. They're quite common.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Thu May 23, 2019 6:44 pm

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Nova Cyberia wrote:I didn't even know there were single-sex shelters, tbh.

Yeah. They're quite common.

Seems stupid. Why make life harder for homeless folks?
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Postby Galloism » Thu May 23, 2019 6:47 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Galloism wrote:Yeah. They're quite common.

Seems stupid. Why make life harder for homeless folks?

You've got to realize we have a lot of domestic violence shelters that double as homeless shelters, as dedicated homeless shelters are rare outside the city, and by and large there's no such shelters that allow men (with a couple dozen exceptions across the United States, the first such ever actually opening in Batesville, AR in 2015).
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Postby Khomney » Thu May 23, 2019 6:48 pm

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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu May 23, 2019 6:51 pm

Galloism wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:Seems stupid. Why make life harder for homeless folks?

You've got to realize we have a lot of domestic violence shelters that double as homeless shelters, as dedicated homeless shelters are rare outside the city, and by and large there's no such shelters that allow men (with a couple dozen exceptions across the United States, the first such ever actually opening in Batesville, AR in 2015).


I think you forgot the number of religious shelters who are single sex in your jump to blame the feminists.

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Postby Galloism » Thu May 23, 2019 6:56 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Galloism wrote:You've got to realize we have a lot of domestic violence shelters that double as homeless shelters, as dedicated homeless shelters are rare outside the city, and by and large there's no such shelters that allow men (with a couple dozen exceptions across the United States, the first such ever actually opening in Batesville, AR in 2015).


I think you forgot the number of religious shelters who are single sex in your jump to blame the feminists.

Did I blame the feminists? I was stating a fact about our society.

To be honest I've never seen single sex religious homeless shelters aside from those that I would call "side by side" shelters. IE, they have two wings or two buildings side by side that are sex segregated. Or there's one on one side of the street and a different church runs one on the other side.
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Homeless shelters in US may soon be able to deny transgender

Postby Country of CityTowne » Thu May 23, 2019 8:32 pm

Damn. And here I thought America was shit enough as is. As a place founded on civil rights, I'm surprised it's gotten this way already.

I'm sure that the misogynists, GOP, republicans and Feminists Against Transgender People in Groups Still (F.A.T.P.i.G.S)'ll be ecstatic about it though.
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Country of CityTowne wrote:Damn. And here I thought America was shit enough as is. As a place founded on civil rights, I'm surprised it's gotten this way already.

I'm sure that the misogynists, GOP, republicans and Feminists Against Transgender People in Groups (F.A.T.P.i.G.S.)'ll be ecstatic about it though.

I'm slightly against transgenders, but they're humans too, they're not aliens, GOD-EMPEROR TRUMP.
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Sanctum and Ultima wrote:
Country of CityTowne wrote:Damn. And here I thought America was shit enough as is. As a place founded on civil rights, I'm surprised it's gotten this way already.

I'm sure that the misogynists, GOP, republicans and Feminists Against Transgender People in Groups (F.A.T.P.i.G.S.)'ll be ecstatic about it though.

I'm slightly against transgenders, but they're humans too, they're not aliens, GOD-EMPEROR TRUMP.

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Sanctum and Ultima wrote:I'm slightly against transgenders, but they're humans too, they're not aliens, GOD-EMPEROR TRUMP.

Why?

Biological and religious reasons. I still respect them as humans though.
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Sanctum and Ultima wrote:
Kowani wrote:Why?

Biological and religious reasons. I still respect them as humans though.

I understand the religious part, but what biological reason could you have? I apologize if I’m coming across as harsh, but I’m genuinely curious.
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Kowani wrote:
Sanctum and Ultima wrote:Biological and religious reasons. I still respect them as humans though.

I understand the religious part, but what biological reason could you have? I apologize if I’m coming across as harsh, but I’m genuinely curious.

Chromosomes and sperm.
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Sanctum and Ultima wrote:
Kowani wrote:I understand the religious part, but what biological reason could you have? I apologize if I’m coming across as harsh, but I’m genuinely curious.

Chromosomes and sperm.

…You’re gonna need to elaborate on that.
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Postby Sanctum and Ultima » Thu May 23, 2019 8:45 pm

Kowani wrote:
Sanctum and Ultima wrote:Chromosomes and sperm.

…You’re gonna need to elaborate on that.

Do the testes of a transwoman become ovaries during the procedure? Does the X chromosome change to a Y for a transman?
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