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Suicide attempts by refugees in Manus after Aussie elections

Postby Duhon » Thu May 23, 2019 3:30 am

What's that adage again? "Elections have consequences"? Yeah, and this is one.

Several asylum seekers sent overseas by Australia have attempted suicide in recent days amid rising desperation since the nation's election, advocates say.

Since 2013, Australia has sent asylum seekers arriving by boat to Nauru and Manus Island, Papua New Guinea (PNG).

The policy has bipartisan support, but many asylum seekers had hoped that a change in government would help them.

The government's re-election has led to heightened despair, refugees say.

"The situation in Manus is out of control, today two more people attempted suicide," tweeted Behrouz Boochani, an Iranian-Kurd refugee and journalist on Manus Island.

Another refugee, Abdul Aziz Adam, wrote: "We are calling for the [government] to do something for refugees & asylum seekers on Manus/ Nauru."

The Labor opposition had promised to accept New Zealand's offer to resettle 150 refugees from the islands if they won government last Saturday.

Currently, refugees in PNG and Nauru can either choose to resettle in those nations, apply for a limited number of places in the US, or return to their home country.

There are differing reports about the number of cases. Manus Island police commander David Yapu told news agency AFP that he was aware of four suicide attempts over the weekend.

Mr Boochani and other refugee groups told the BBC that at least 12 people had attempted self-harm in PNG since Saturday.

The election victory for Prime Minister Scott Morrison's government defied months of opinion polling which had pointed to a probable Labor win.

"Rightly or wrongly, many of the refugees had really pinned their hopes on a Labor victory meaning a change to their situation," Elaine Pearson, the Australian director of Human Rights Watch, told the BBC.

She said the result had exacerbated feelings of hopelessness on the islands, where more than 80% of asylum seekers are reported to suffer from mental health problems.

At least 12 asylum seekers and refugees have died on the islands since 2013.

The UN has criticised Australia's detention policies as "inhumane", but the nation insists they prevent human trafficking and save lives at sea.

Last year, reports of a mental health crisis among children on Nauru prompted the government to evacuate families to Australia.

In February, Labor and crossbench MPs secured enough votes to pass a law which makes it easier for sick refugees to get treatment in Australia.

Mr Morrison argues the law encourages human trafficking. His government may attempt to repeal it when parliament resumes, according to local media.


What could be said of the doubtfully ironic "Pacific Solution" Canberra that has been unsaid before? It's a barbaric policy that has resulted in the physical and psychological breakdown of its population of reconcentrados, earning the ire of Aussie citizens and presumably whatever remains of the international community after nearly a decade's worth of xenophobia... and yet it looks set to keep on keeping on, its stated rationale long shorn of any credibility, the only reasons for its keeping on being that an uncomfortably disproportionate Aussie politicians, as a rule, are Annings in miniature: not (quite) confident in saying the quiet part out loud, but making sure the quiet part is felt.

So where was I? Ah, yes, I guess the Aussie policy going forward is still to let them fuck off and die? Not even that Kiwi sop involving 150 prisoners the ALP threw in as a campaign promise?

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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Thu May 23, 2019 3:49 am

If they have desirable skills and specialties, bring them in. If not, send them back to their home countries or make them resettle in Papua New Guinea. Keeping them in abject conditions in detention centers is horrific and a waste of taxpayer money.
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Postby Shrillland » Thu May 23, 2019 4:08 am

Aye, it appears that Manus, Nauru, and Christmas Island will be full of death and misery for years to come. And all because Queensland couldn't do without its damn outdated coal mine.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu May 23, 2019 4:09 am

How is this Australia’s fault?
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Postby Shrillland » Thu May 23, 2019 4:10 am

Thermodolia wrote:How is this Australia’s fault?


Well, instead of simply deciding to deport them or follow proper procedures for asylum seekers, they just stuck them on these islands to effectively rot and not make any moves towards bringing them in or out.
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Postby The Grim Reaper » Thu May 23, 2019 5:16 am

Shrillland wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:How is this Australia’s fault?


Well, instead of simply deciding to deport them or follow proper procedures for asylum seekers, they just stuck them on these islands to effectively rot and not make any moves towards bringing them in or out.


Furthermore, the camp in specific, whilst it is within PNG sovereign territory, is actually operated by a company called Ferrovial on behalf of the Australian government, using Australian staff and Australian contractors including some seconded from the Australian government, which also continues to accept responsibility for the asylum seekers. They are not 'in' Manus as free residents of PNG territory, but through an agreement between PNG and the Australian government - they continue to be the responsibility of the government of Australia under the oversight of Australian contractors and staff, and PNG does not accept them as residents as a result. This year, for example, some asylum seekers sued the PNG government on the grounds that they do not have freedom of travel within PNG despite having no viable process for resettlement in either Australia or PNG. This was a continuation of a case in 2016 where the PNG government accepted a ruling by the Supreme Court that the 'processing' was substantially a form of indefinite imprisonment, and thus constitutionally illegal, meaning that PNG should have forced the Australian government to negotiate a timeframe for closure, in which Australia would have had to negotiate for the resettlement of asylum seekers in PNG. In 2016 and 2017, Australia brokered a bilateral agreement with the Trump administration for refugee swaps between Manus Island prisoners and American-Mexico border-crossing refugees, indicating that the Australian government continues to assume responsibility for the prisoners on Manus Island.

Although both governments have breached legal obligations to the asylum seekers, Australia's is the one that has the ultimate responsibility for not just the futures of the asylum seekers, but their current imprisonment. The failure of the PNG government has not been via the UN Declaration of Human Rights or of international law, but in fact the failure to disavow an illegal arrangement that alienated Australia from its own responsibilities, and compliance with their constitutional law would in fact place more responsibility on Australia, not less.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu May 23, 2019 6:12 am

Horrible news. No one should be in that dark place. I am very disappointed in the government of Australia for there part in this.
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Postby Nakena » Thu May 23, 2019 6:40 am

Resettle them to Papua New Guinea.

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Thu May 23, 2019 6:41 am

What? Refugees are people? Who knew
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Postby Danubia-Slavia » Thu May 23, 2019 6:47 am

Okay, I do think Australia should be allowed to do whatever they want with their refugee policy, they are their own country after all, but I think sending refugees to some islands in Papua New Guinea to fend for themselves isn't the approach.

These people come from so far away to be given refuge, not to go back into another hell hole! Now I'm not saying Australia should be forced to let them in to their country, I'm just saying they shouldn't send them to Papua New Guinea. Just put them in temporary, HUMANE confinement until deportation and make it abundantly clear to the world about their refugee policy. And if they wish to add them into Australian society, do it the normal and sane way please.

We don't need to resort to either extreme people, just try to be decent human beings with a backbone.

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Postby Saiwania » Thu May 23, 2019 10:35 am

I approve of the camps and the conditions arguably need to be made harsher, so as to give the prisoners the incentive to sign a legally binding document that'll have them deported back to their country of origin and never return. If they're caught violating the agreement, they can be kept detained indefinitely; which I'm a huge fan of if they can be put to work and aren't just a drain on resources.

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Postby Chan Island » Thu May 23, 2019 10:41 am

Very sad. They should be allowed some clear way out of this legal limbo.


Saiwania wrote:I approve of the camps and the conditions arguably need to be made harsher, so as to give the prisoners the incentive to sign a legally binding document that'll have them deported back to their country of origin and never return. If they're caught violating the agreement, they can be kept detained indefinitely; which I'm a huge fan of if they can be put to work and aren't just a drain on resources.


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But today is not that day.
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Postby Khataiy » Thu May 23, 2019 10:45 am

This is Iran's fault fot invading Arab countries and causing wars there that displace, murder and seperate people. Iran's government must be forcibly overthrown as do their proxies such as Assad, Iraq's illegal and fake regime, and the Yemeni Houthis.

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Postby Nakena » Thu May 23, 2019 10:46 am

Chan Island wrote:Very sad. They should be allowed some clear way out of this legal limbo.


Saiwania wrote:I approve of the camps and the conditions arguably need to be made harsher, so as to give the prisoners the incentive to sign a legally binding document that'll have them deported back to their country of origin and never return. If they're caught violating the agreement, they can be kept detained indefinitely; which I'm a huge fan of if they can be put to work and aren't just a drain on resources.


I have a dream, that one day, I will see the name "Saiwania" and not see the most evil crap in the post afterwards.

But today is not that day.


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Postby Chan Island » Thu May 23, 2019 10:56 am

Nakena wrote:
Chan Island wrote:Very sad. They should be allowed some clear way out of this legal limbo.




I have a dream, that one day, I will see the name "Saiwania" and not see the most evil crap in the post afterwards.

But today is not that day.


Aww, come on. He's our Saturday Morning Cartoon Villain incarnate.



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Khataiy wrote:This is Iran's fault fot invading Arab countries and causing wars there that displace, murder and seperate people. Iran's government must be forcibly overthrown as do their proxies such as Assad, Iraq's illegal and fake regime, and the Yemeni Houthis.


How about.... No. Let's not spread more war and carnage to produce more refugees.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Thu May 23, 2019 1:16 pm

Duhon wrote:Not even that Kiwi sop involving 150 prisoners the ALP threw in as a campaign promise?


Huh?
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Postby The Rich Port » Thu May 23, 2019 2:06 pm

Is there seriously no room in the Australian Outback.

Subsidize farming or something and put them to work.

I seriously doubt sending them to islands that are smaller and more desolate (SOMEHOW) is going to help anybody.
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu May 23, 2019 2:24 pm

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:If they have desirable skills and specialties, bring them in. If not, send them back to their home countries or make them resettle in Papua New Guinea. Keeping them in abject conditions in detention centers is horrific and a waste of taxpayer money.

This should be the plan going forward. On average it's a net positive for everybody, with relatively few getting the short end.

Though I do question how Labor managing to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory is somehow the fault of Coalition, as the OP implies.
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Jack Thomas Lang wrote:If they have desirable skills and specialties, bring them in. If not, send them back to their home countries or make them resettle in Papua New Guinea. Keeping them in abject conditions in detention centers is horrific and a waste of taxpayer money.

Pretty much this. Australia has no obligation to spend more money on them.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Thu May 23, 2019 2:50 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:If they have desirable skills and specialties, bring them in. If not, send them back to their home countries or make them resettle in Papua New Guinea. Keeping them in abject conditions in detention centers is horrific and a waste of taxpayer money.

This should be the plan going forward. On average it's a net positive for everybody, with relatively few getting the short end.

Though I do question how Labor managing to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory is somehow the fault of Coalition, as the OP implies.


I would say the latter is based down to inaccurate poll reporting more than anything else.
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Postby Benuty » Thu May 23, 2019 7:48 pm

Reminds me of the time that 600 people detained on Manus wanted the government to allow them to undergo assisted suicide so they wouldn't have to suffer anymore.
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Postby Duhon » Thu May 23, 2019 7:55 pm

Benuty wrote:Reminds me of the time that 600 people detained on Manus wanted the government to allow them to undergo assisted suicide so they wouldn't have to suffer anymore.


Wait, what?

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Postby Duhon » Thu May 23, 2019 7:59 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Duhon wrote:Not even that Kiwi sop involving 150 prisoners the ALP threw in as a campaign promise?


Huh?


The Labor opposition had promised to accept New Zealand's offer to resettle 150 refugees from the islands if they won government last Saturday.

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Duhon wrote:
Benuty wrote:Reminds me of the time that 600 people detained on Manus wanted the government to allow them to undergo assisted suicide so they wouldn't have to suffer anymore.


Wait, what?

I posted it under a different account years ago, but basically, 600 of the 900 on Manus wanted to die because the situation was so horrific. Now whether it was an attempt at emotional manipulation or legitimate was unknown.

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Proctopeo wrote:
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:If they have desirable skills and specialties, bring them in. If not, send them back to their home countries or make them resettle in Papua New Guinea. Keeping them in abject conditions in detention centers is horrific and a waste of taxpayer money.

This should be the plan going forward. On average it's a net positive for everybody, with relatively few getting the short end.

Though I do question how Labor managing to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory is somehow the fault of Coalition, as the OP implies.

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