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Postby Aureumterra » Wed May 22, 2019 7:14 pm

The government's reported plans to ban the traditional runic alphabet alongside heathen imagery, due to their alleged popularity in Neo-Nazi circles, have sparked the ire of politicians and ordinary Swedes alike.
The government is currently investigating the possibility of banning the use of old Norse runes, the Swedish news outlet Samhällsnytt reported.

The background to the investigation, lobbied by Social Democrat Justice Minister Morgan Johansson, is the Swedish neo-Nazis' alleged predilection with the runic script, despite the fact that it predates the spread of neo-Nazi ideology by a thousand years.

According to the government proposal, ancient Norse symbols, imagery, and traditional jewellery can also be banned as "incitement of ethnic hatred". This applies, among other things, to Thor's Hammer known as Mjölner, the Valknut (or Odin's knot) and the magical stave Vegvisir.

The government's "one cure fits all" approach has enraged neo-pagans, who adhere to the ancient Nordic religion known as Asatru, and history enthusiasts, who believe that Viking culture is an inherent part of Scandinavian heritage.

Banning an entire written language restricts the freedom of religion, which is backed by the Swedish Constitution and international conventions, they argued. Additionally, by adding contrived meaning to the runic script, the government is making the same mistake as the Nazis, who widely utilised Nordic imagery.

"Our attitude is that prejudices and misunderstandings are best cured with knowledge and facts. It is not okay to try and replace the meaning of our symbols with one's own prejudices or political meaning they completely lack. Banning them would wipe out a part of our own history, culture and beliefs — and our freedom of expression because of political interpretations that do not belong in the Asa community", the Swedish Asa Society wrote on its website.

READ MORE: In Thor We Trust: Swedes Revive 'Back to the Roots' Viking Heathenry

According to them, a culture that is tied with the first settlers' footprints in the North, cannot be destroyed.

In protest against the government's plans, the Asa Society has started a campaign under the motto "Don't touch our runes". The "Battle of Runes" campaign has gathered almost 10,000 signatures.

On Friday, 24 May, a manifestation outside of the House of Parliament will be held.

The government's plans have also come under fire on social media, where Swedes stood up in defence of the rune.

"So, the government wants to ban runic writing. Well, will they destroy the Rök Stone outside Vadstena and several other priceless rune stones from the Viking Age? A more anti-history government is indeed hard to find", a Swede wrote.
Our government advocates multiculturalism, but we are not entitled to have a culture of our own. What the government is now doing is trying to censor our own cultural heritage and erase our roots. Fifth column", Jeff Ahl of the right-wing party Alternative for Sweden tweeted, pledging to wear Thor's hammer "in a really visible way”.

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So… the Swedish Parliament is considering banning Norse runes since they promote “Nazism” and “Hate speech.” What do you think NSG?

I think this is stupid, really really stupid, even stupid for far left parties. Runes predate Nazism itself by centuries, so I don’t see what banning them would do then erase Nordic history. Sweden claims runes like ᛏ (tyr) and ᛪ (x) symbolize hate speech and nazism because a few far right groups use them in symbolism, so now they want to ban all runes and a large part of Nordic history just to protect “minority’s feelings.” This is just really stupid, nothing more I can say…
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Postby Saiwania » Wed May 22, 2019 7:17 pm

The Nazis chose Nordic runes because even they knew that it was good. It predated them by many centuries but still fit in with the Germanized world order and vision they were trying to create. To throw away Nordic history to be politically correct for liberalism, would be one of the most dreadful betrayals ever done.

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Postby Athonuna » Wed May 22, 2019 7:18 pm

That's terribly sad, but I'm not surprised. Sweden has cucked so far to the left now it's not even funny. They're basically a fascist leftist state, and they keep enacting stupid new laws as if in a contest to see which country can come up with the most idiotic laws. They're winning, by far.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed May 22, 2019 7:18 pm

The swastika pre-dates the Nazis, too, and yet they ruined that once innocuous symbol, too. I understand why they'd want to do this but I don't think it will accomplish much, more's the pity, except to give the Neo-Nazi victims another grievance.
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Postby Aureumterra » Wed May 22, 2019 7:19 pm

Athonuna wrote:That's terribly sad, but I'm not surprised. Sweden has cucked so far to the left now it's not even funny. They're basically a fascist leftist state, and they keep enacting stupid new laws as if in a contest to see which country can come up with the most idiotic laws. They're winning, by far.

Luckily this hasn’t been enacted yet
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed May 22, 2019 7:20 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Athonuna wrote:That's terribly sad, but I'm not surprised. Sweden has cucked so far to the left now it's not even funny. They're basically a fascist leftist state, and they keep enacting stupid new laws as if in a contest to see which country can come up with the most idiotic laws. They're winning, by far.

Luckily this hasn’t been enacted yet

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Postby National Republic of Antagoria » Wed May 22, 2019 7:20 pm

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Sweden is ruining it's own culture just like Europe does too.

I am not even surprised. They are just like the rest of Europe throwing their own culture away.

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Postby Andsed » Wed May 22, 2019 7:20 pm

That is pretty silly TBH. I mean unless Neo Nazis are actually using Nordic Runes as symbols than this just feels like an overreaction.
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Postby Aureumterra » Wed May 22, 2019 7:21 pm

Farnhamia wrote:The swastika pre-dates the Nazis, too, and yet they ruined that once innocuous symbol, too. I understand why they'd want to do this but I don't think it will accomplish much, more's the pity, except to give the Neo-Nazi victims another grievance.

Look at a Swastika, the first thing that comes to your mind is probably Nazism and not Hinduism or Buddhism

Look at runes, do you think of Nazism first? I doubt it, it’s a part of viking history
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Postby Aureumterra » Wed May 22, 2019 7:21 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Luckily this hasn’t been enacted yet

So you're up in arms about nothing?

It’s being considered

The fact that erasing a large part of our history is even being considered is enough to put me “up in arms”
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed May 22, 2019 7:22 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:The swastika pre-dates the Nazis, too, and yet they ruined that once innocuous symbol, too. I understand why they'd want to do this but I don't think it will accomplish much, more's the pity, except to give the Neo-Nazi victims another grievance.

Look at a Swastika, the first thing that comes to your mind is probably Nazism and not Hinduism or Buddhism

Look at runes, do you think of Nazism first? I doubt it, it’s a part of viking history

Good point but keep in mind that this is a "someone in the Swedish government said something about maybe banning runes" thing so it's very important.
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Postby Inkopolitia » Wed May 22, 2019 7:22 pm

One can not ban their way to end hate, especially when said things that get banned are an important aspect to Nordic culture. Now, why did this idea to destroy a cultural part of the Nordic region ever become a thing in the first place?
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Inkopolitia wrote:One can not ban their way to end hate, especially when said things that get banned are an important aspect to Nordic culture. Now, why did this idea to destroy a cultural part of the Nordic region ever become a thing in the first place?

It’s the social democrats, what do you expect?
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Postby Thyrgga » Wed May 22, 2019 7:23 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:The swastika pre-dates the Nazis, too, and yet they ruined that once innocuous symbol, too. I understand why they'd want to do this but I don't think it will accomplish much, more's the pity, except to give the Neo-Nazi victims another grievance.

Look at a Swastika, the first thing that comes to your mind is probably Nazism and not Hinduism or Buddhism

Look at runes, do you think of Nazism first? I doubt it, it’s a part of viking history


Either way, it doesn't matter. People should be able to use the swastika, or runes, or whatever, if they so wish.
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Aureumterra wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:The swastika pre-dates the Nazis, too, and yet they ruined that once innocuous symbol, too. I understand why they'd want to do this but I don't think it will accomplish much, more's the pity, except to give the Neo-Nazi victims another grievance.

Look at a Swastika, the first thing that comes to your mind is probably Nazism and not Hinduism or Buddhism

Look at runes, do you think of Nazism first? I doubt it, it’s a part of viking history

Of course! Beautiful, wonderful, history. But Europe is welcoming waves of migrants with open arms and sacrificing their own cultures without a second thought to make the migrants comfortable. Cultures that shaped the Western World as we know it, and cultures so beautiful and magnificent they should never be wasted. And the nationalists that wish to preserve their homeland's cultures are labeled as 'far-right' by their opponents. Truly saddening.
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Postby Nakena » Wed May 22, 2019 7:24 pm

Aureumterra wrote: What do you think NSG?


I think eturbonews, sputniknews and RT are bad sauces.

They took it apparently from an very obscure blog.

I doubt this is going to happen tbh.
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Aureumterra wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:The swastika pre-dates the Nazis, too, and yet they ruined that once innocuous symbol, too. I understand why they'd want to do this but I don't think it will accomplish much, more's the pity, except to give the Neo-Nazi victims another grievance.

Look at a Swastika, the first thing that comes to your mind is probably Nazism and not Hinduism or Buddhism

Look at runes, do you think of Nazism first? I doubt it, it’s a part of viking history

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Why would anyone want to go and do that? It is their own culture, it is what makes them unique. When I hear Sweden I think of the Vikings and Nordic culture. It would be a terrible shame to see them throw that away. They don't even have any hate really? Even if they did have a history of "hate", it is important to remember the past regardless of what it is.

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Aureumterra wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:So you're up in arms about nothing?

It’s being considered

The fact that erasing a large part of our history is even being considered is enough to put me “up in arms”

I don't know, considering two of your sources are Russian ... no idea where eTurboNews comes from ... I'm a trifle skeptical. I'll agree it's a pointless idea but no one is erasing anyone's history at this point.
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Farnhamia wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Look at a Swastika, the first thing that comes to your mind is probably Nazism and not Hinduism or Buddhism

Look at runes, do you think of Nazism first? I doubt it, it’s a part of viking history

Good point but keep in mind that this is a "someone in the Swedish government said something about maybe banning runes" thing so it's very important.

It’s not “someone said something” and don’t try to downplay it as such, it really hurts me as a Nord who has studied the history of the vikings and runes to see the highest judicial office in Sweden considering banning runes solely on the basis of the far left coalition’s pressure
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For the record all these sources go back to a site with close ties to SD and only asserts things without proof.
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Thyrgga wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Look at a Swastika, the first thing that comes to your mind is probably Nazism and not Hinduism or Buddhism

Look at runes, do you think of Nazism first? I doubt it, it’s a part of viking history


Either way, it doesn't matter. People should be able to use the swastika, or runes, or whatever, if they so wish.

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Postby National Republic of Antagoria » Wed May 22, 2019 7:27 pm

Vazkin wrote:Why would anyone want to go and do that? It is their own culture, it is what makes them unique. When I hear Sweden I think of the Vikings and Nordic culture. It would be a terrible shame to see them throw that away. They don't even have any hate really? Even if they did have a history of "hate", it is important to remember the past regardless of what it is.

frankly, Sweden has lost it's charm. I don't ever go there anymore. The Swedes are like a dying race.

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Postby Liriena » Wed May 22, 2019 7:27 pm

So… the Swedish Parliament is considering banning Norse runes since they promote “Nazism” and “Hate speech.” What do you think NSG?


I think you did a shit job of fact-checking this story.
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Postby Inkopolitia » Wed May 22, 2019 7:27 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Inkopolitia wrote:One can not ban their way to end hate, especially when said things that get banned are an important aspect to Nordic culture. Now, why did this idea to destroy a cultural part of the Nordic region ever become a thing in the first place?

It’s the social democrats, what do you expect?

I'm just surprised that people are STILL on board with erasing history just to acommodate other people
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