Dutch Minister resigns over misleading refugee crime stats

[LiberNovusAmericae]

It won't bring about the return of a Reich that I want, but it is in the right direction if people wake up to the fact that multiculturalist immigration is no good for them or their country. It is something to be reversed or undone in due time.

Build a time machine and go back to 1945 and have fun in the ruins of the reichstag for a few hours. Theres your reich for you.

This ^^

[Bassoe]

I don't get why people skew the stats like this. If you're right, aren't the stats already skewed in your favor? Deceptive and misleading numbers that are technically correct but hide the truth are a big part of the whole fake news thing that is causing everybody large problem.

True, but if the stats are skewed against your viewpoint, your only choices are to change your viewpoint, blatantly lie in an attempt to cover up the stats or attempt to criminalize holding viewpoints other than your own and/or looking at the stats.

[Des-Bal]

Face ideological enemies with facts, evidence, and logic. People will always notice when you cook the books and it always looks like you don't believe in your side.

[Liriena]

>> when you feel the need to cover up 76 sex crimes from 103,000 people

Jesus, how pathetic can you get?

Yeah. I wanna find whichever PR person made the call on this and steal their degree for the sake of the entire profession.

[Zrhajan]

It won't bring about the return of a Reich that I want, but it is in the right direction if people wake up to the fact that multiculturalist immigration is no good for them or their country. It is something to be reversed or undone in due time.

The Dutch don't build Reichs anyway.

Yep, they build a Rijk.

[Chan Island]

>> when you feel the need to cover up 76 sex crimes from 103,000 people

Jesus, how pathetic can you get?

Yeah. I wanna find whichever PR person made the call on this and steal their degree for the sake of the entire profession.

If their degree is in something like marketing, can I have it instead? Because I could definitely do a better job than that.

[Danubia-Slavia]

I mean, I do think forced multiculturalism is bad, but a bit of multiculturalism isn't that bad when done fine. I just think the far-left isn't doing a very good job at it. Multiculturalism takes time and patience, and doesn't work everywhere. We just have to find the right balance of accepting others and preserving our own ways of life.

Oh! And actually regulating our borders and background checking people would also be a totally common sense thing to do. Immigration is a good thing as long as you literally don't let waves of people overpopulate your country and allow terrorists to throw bombs into your streets.

Such a moderate sensible approach is pure heresy in modern western politics. You will get pilloried by both sides.

Sad but true, there's just no such things as working together anymore

[Aclion]

I mean, I do think forced multiculturalism is bad, but a bit of multiculturalism isn't that bad when done fine. I just think the far-left isn't doing a very good job at it. Multiculturalism takes time and patience, and doesn't work everywhere. We just have to find the right balance of accepting others and preserving our own ways of life.

Oh! And actually regulating our borders and background checking people would also be a totally common sense thing to do. Immigration is a good thing as long as you literally don't let waves of people overpopulate your country and allow terrorists to throw bombs into your streets.

Such a moderate sensible approach is...

Universal outside of the most extreme fringes.

[HC Eredivisie]

Asylum minister Mark Harbers has resigned during a debate with MPs about a report in which figures about the number of refugees suspected of violent crimes were ‘hidden’.

Harbers told MPs that he felt responsible for the report, in which figures about how many refugees were suspected of rape and murder were not explicitly stated. ‘I am not only responsible in terms of the law, but I feel responsible,’ Harbers said.

The figures, which were published last week, included suspicions of rape (4) and murder (31) under the heading ‘other’. Harbers was then accused of attempting to hide the figures.

During Tuesday evening’s debate Harbers said that the ministry had been warned not to come up with a top 10 crimes for which asylum seekers were suspects because that meant serious crime would be hidden. However, civil servants had not taken that advice, Harbers said.

Asked why the ministry again had failed to report the true extent of the potential involvement of asylum seekers in crime, Harbers said civil servants were worried that the figures would lead to confusion.

Fake refugees

Last week’s report showed ‘fake’ asylum seekers who come from so-called safe countries, namely Morocco and Algeria, were responsible for almost half the 4,600 incidents requiring police intervention.

While most cases involved shoplifting or pickpocketing, police also registered cases of physical abuse, threatening behaviour and a further 1,000 incidents listed as ‘other’.

The Telegraaf reported on Thursday morning this total included 79 potential sex crimes, including 47 cases of sexual assault, five allegations of child abuse and four alleged rapes plus a string of other violent offences.

Rutte tweeted saying though he "respected" Harbers' decision to quit, it was "incredibly regrettable that the cabinet must say goodbye to such a talented and committed liberal."

tl;dr dutch migration minister resigns over "fixing" refugee crime statistics.

It shouldn surprise me but it nevertheless does to see how they act exactly as in the memetic way and fill each and every cliche. I am cynically amused by the sheer hyprocrisy coming from those people and that they got (once more?) caught in the act.

Are they really that dumb, stupid and trying to keep the covers over things because their biggest fear is the white elephant in the room, namely the rise of right wing populism?

So much afraid and big their concern that they cover up stats?

Just wow. It's amazing. A delicious gift served on a silver plate to enjoy.

Now what you think NSG, is this methodical or just another, unfortunate and isolated accident? And more importantly, what do you think is their motivation for this? Whats going on in their heads? What are that for people anyways?

Sources:

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2019/05/a ... me-report/
https://www.dw.com/en/dutch-minister-re ... a-48822640
https://www.france24.com/en/20190521-du ... ime-report

And it turns out there were actually no convictions of murder in the list at all: Dutch article. So you're upset four cases of rape out of 4600 total are labeled in the category 'Other''?

[Zhivotnoye]

The VVD is well known for screwing up when it comes to the refugees (among other things), this is hardly a suprise.

They did this to keep the extreme right from growing without a doubt. Instead of handling it like a decent government would, the VVD just slides it under the carpet hoping nobody finds out.

It won't bring about the return of a Reich that I want, but it is in the right direction if people wake up to the fact that multiculturalist immigration is no good for them or their country. It is something to be reversed or undone in due time.

I mean, I do think forced multiculturalism is bad, but a bit of multiculturalism isn't that bad when done fine. I just think the far-left isn't doing a very good job at it. Multiculturalism takes time and patience, and doesn't work everywhere. We just have to find the right balance of accepting others and preserving our own ways of life.

Oh! And actually regulating our borders and background checking people would also be a totally common sense thing to do. Immigration is a good thing as long as you literally don't let waves of people overpopulate your country and allow terrorists to throw bombs into your streets.

This one, along with the previous two Dutch governments were all right-wing led. They haven't done much of a good job either. In fact, they made it even worse in some fields.

[Nakena]

And it turns out there were actually no convictions of murder in the list at all: Dutch article. So you're upset four cases of rape out of 4600 total are labeled in the category 'Other''?

Much more schadenfreude than upset.