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Germany Rules BDS movement as Anti-Semitic

Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Sat May 18, 2019 5:12 am

Al Jazeera wrote:The German parliament has voted to condemn as anti-Semitic a movement that calls for economic pressure on Israel to end the occupation of Palestinian land, grant Palestinian citizens of Israel equal rights and recognise the right of return of Palestinian refugees.

In a move welcomed by Israel, a majority of legislators in the Bundestag voted on Friday in favour of a motion to label the international Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement as an entity that uses anti-Semitic tactics to fulfil its political goals.

"The argumentation patterns and methods used by the BDS movement are anti-Semitic," read the motion submitted by Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservatives, their Social Democrat coalition partners as well as the Greens and Free Democrats.

The motion, termed "Resisting the BDS movement decisively – fighting antisemitism," calls on the government to "not provide premises and facilities under the administration of the Bundestag to organisations that express themselves in anti-Semitic terms or question Israel's right to exist."

From Al Jazeera

So, the German parliament has condemned the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement as anti-semitic. I'm not aware that this will have any repercussion beyond symbolism, but nonetheless raises the question whether BDS is really anti-semitic as portrayed by the conservatives, social democrats, greens and free democrats. I'm ambivalent, I think that some of its language is too extreme and borders anti-semitic sentiment but I'm not convinced this was necessary. But what do you think of this turn of events?

Was the German Parliament right? What is anti-semitism, and does BDS actually qualify?
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Postby United Massachusetts » Sat May 18, 2019 9:01 am

Yes, BDS is anti-Semitic in that it denies that Jews have the right to self-determination. That's anti-Semitism, per the Working Definition that the European Council and State Department agree on.

https://european-forum-on-antisemitism. ... sh-english
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat May 18, 2019 9:08 am

No BDS is no anti-Semitic, and amusingly enough all the efforts to squash it across the western world only give anti-Semites more propaganda about how powerful the Jewish lobby really is.

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Postby Nakena » Sat May 18, 2019 9:15 am

BDS is full of whiners.

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Pretty soon you won't even be able to deny the Holocaust or talk about Jews eating Christian babies without being labeled an anti-semite.
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Still working off that genocidal guilt, I see. Just a good thing that this motion is ultimately meaningless.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sat May 18, 2019 10:06 am

BDS is not antisemitic for opposing occupations of Palistinian territory.
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Postby Kavagrad » Sat May 18, 2019 10:08 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:BDS is not antisemitic for opposing occupations of Palistinian territory.

LNA, you can't just say things I agree with, that's not part of the script! :P
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Postby Farnhamia » Sat May 18, 2019 10:14 am

Rostavykhan wrote:Of course the G*rman would make moves to suppress a movement that opposes a genocidal regime.

Such is the nature of The Hun.

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Postby Dee Alleng » Sat May 18, 2019 10:23 am

United Massachusetts wrote:Yes, BDS is anti-Semitic in that it denies that Jews have the right to self-determination. That's anti-Semitism, per the Working Definition that the European Council and State Department agree on.

https://european-forum-on-antisemitism. ... sh-english


Quick question: Do you support self determination for people of European descent? Can white people have what Israel has, or is that somehow racist?

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Jack Thomas Lang wrote:
Al Jazeera wrote:The German parliament has voted to condemn as anti-Semitic a movement that calls for economic pressure on Israel to end the occupation of Palestinian land, grant Palestinian citizens of Israel equal rights and recognise the right of return of Palestinian refugees.

In a move welcomed by Israel, a majority of legislators in the Bundestag voted on Friday in favour of a motion to label the international Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement as an entity that uses anti-Semitic tactics to fulfil its political goals.

"The argumentation patterns and methods used by the BDS movement are anti-Semitic," read the motion submitted by Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservatives, their Social Democrat coalition partners as well as the Greens and Free Democrats.

The motion, termed "Resisting the BDS movement decisively – fighting antisemitism," calls on the government to "not provide premises and facilities under the administration of the Bundestag to organisations that express themselves in anti-Semitic terms or question Israel's right to exist."

From Al Jazeera

So, the German parliament has condemned the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement as anti-semitic. I'm not aware that this will have any repercussion beyond symbolism, but nonetheless raises the question whether BDS is really anti-semitic as portrayed by the conservatives, social democrats, greens and free democrats. I'm ambivalent, I think that some of its language is too extreme and borders anti-semitic sentiment but I'm not convinced this was necessary. But what do you think of this turn of events?

Was the German Parliament right? What is anti-semitism, and does BDS actually qualify?

The only thing this condemnation will destroy is the German Parliament's chances of getting Merkel into the EU parliament, which have already been slimmed to the size of a straw. Also, it'll only give MORE reasons for authoritarians to blame the Jewish race. If you don't want their opinions to be supported, let them speak, and pray that their opinions get laughed at. Censoring Neo-Nazis will only lead to MORE Neo-Nazis in the long run.
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I suppose that depends on the nature of how they phrase what they're saying. I have issues with Israel's treatment of Palestine, but I always make sure to be clear that my problems are specifically with the Israeli government. Not Israel as a whole, not the average man on the street and not Jewish people.

I don't know BDS, perhaps they probably use harsher rhetoric than I would. That might well come from a place of anti-semitism, which they're masking with anti-zionist sentiment. Ultimately, there are alot of people out there who criticise Israel's actions who don't get officially branded as anti-semitic by the government, so if the government has singled BDS out, there may be some truth to the ruling.
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Postby First American Empire » Sat May 18, 2019 10:33 am

I don't think anyone has the right to national self-determination, Israel included. People have a right to exist. Nation-states do not.
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Postby Dee Alleng » Sat May 18, 2019 10:35 am

Quaeg wrote:I suppose that depends on the nature of how they phrase what they're saying. I have issues with Israel's treatment of Palestine, but I always make sure to be clear that my problems are specifically with the Israeli government. Not Israel as a whole, not the average man on the street and not Jewish people.

I don't know BDS, perhaps they probably use harsher rhetoric than I would. That might well come from a place of anti-semitism, which they're masking with anti-zionist sentiment. Ultimately, there are alot of people out there who criticise Israel's actions who don't get officially branded as anti-semitic by the government, so if the government has singled BDS out, there may be some truth to the ruling.


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Postby Communal concils » Sat May 18, 2019 10:35 am

proof that Zionism is a cancer.


I will say that Zionism is not the same thing as antisemitism. Zionism applies only to the nation, and not the ethnicity that it's for. I find it weird that Germany would want to ban people from saying that a certain ethno-State isn't bad.

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Communal concils wrote:proof that Zionism is a cancer.


I will say that Zionism is not the same thing as antisemitism. Zionism applies only to the nation, and not the ethnicity that it's for. I find it weird that Germany would want to ban people from saying that a certain ethno-State isn't bad.


All ethno-states are bad, and I'm disappointed in Germany for trying to protect one.
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First American Empire wrote:I don't think anyone has the right to national self-determination, Israel included. People have a right to exist. Nation-states do not.



anarchism has never really existed. A state is simply a organization that has a monopoly over an area, and You can't force that to change.

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Communal concils wrote:
First American Empire wrote:I don't think anyone has the right to national self-determination, Israel included. People have a right to exist. Nation-states do not.



anarchism has never really existed. A state is simply a organization that has a monopoly over an area, and You can't force that to change.


I'm not an anarchist. I'm a world-federalist.
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Postby Aclion » Sat May 18, 2019 10:41 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:BDS is not antisemitic for opposing occupations of Palistinian territory.

They are however antisemitic for cropdusting with antisemitic tropes in order to to advance their opposition.
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Postby Communal concils » Sat May 18, 2019 10:43 am

United Massachusetts wrote:Yes, BDS is anti-Semitic in that it denies that Jews have the right to self-determination. That's anti-Semitism, per the Working Definition that the European Council and State Department agree on.

https://european-forum-on-antisemitism. ... sh-english





The real definition of antisemitism is hatred and a bias of a person or base on the person/group of being jew.

BDS hates Israel because it depends on us money, and it has discriminated against Arabs.

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