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Postby Galloism » Tue May 14, 2019 6:40 am

Hello NS, some of you might have heard about the Equality Act. Here's a brief primer from wikipedia.

Basically, it would expand the Civil Rights Act to include sexual orientation and gender identity.

This has netted some support, most notably from the Democratic Party and the Human Rights Campaign. Opposition comes (unsurprisingly) from Donald Trump and the LDS Church.

More surprisingly, opposition also comes from at least one feminist group because, well, it would tend to undermine women's privileged place in society.

And no, I'm not making that up.

Here's a few excerpts from The Real Clear Politics article on the issue:

Under this bill, men and boys will take away women’s small business grants and hard-won spots on sports teams; they will be allowed to live in women’s domestic violence shelters and use our locker rooms. And united as women, we are just not going to stand for it.

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If the Equality Act succeeds in making “gender identity” a protected class under federal law, it will erase the protected category of “sex,” which for decades has been the foundation for securing the rights and opportunities of women and girls in the United States. Under a policy of unrestricted self-identification of “sex,” such as the act proposes, a man can simply say he is a woman, and everyone must act as if this is true.

Nothing in this bill outlines medical conditions, social processes, or steps that must be taken for an individual to be legally recognized as another sex. In fact, any conditions are seen as discriminatory. For a male who identifies as female, he doesn’t even have to change his name, the way he dresses, or see a doctor or counselor. If the Equality Act passes, he’ll also be able to sue you for violating his civil rights if you persist in seeing him for the man that he is.

Perhaps members of Congress don’t understand that the Equality Act would allow biological men to be free from prosecution for indecent exposure or harassment simply by claiming to be women. Perhaps they ignore the many female athletes who are losing hard-won competitions to transgender men. Or, perhaps, like many of their fellow Americans, they just see “gender identity” as a new way to be nice and haven’t thought deeply about the consequences to women and girls.

Or maybe the simplest and most likely explanation is that those promoting the Equality Act, LGBT Inc. and the members of Congress who support it, don’t think very much about the rights, privacy and safety of women and girls at all.

Pay attention to the powerful message conveyed by our united purpose in opposing this bill. Simply put: If Americans, activist organizations, and our representatives in government genuinely want to prevent discrimination against women and girls, they cannot erase the legal recognition of sex as biologically male and female. As women, CWA and WoLF stand united to protect ourselves and all women and girls from the injustice of the so-called Equality Act.



On the other side of the aisle, Jon Schweppe, a conservative, from the American Principles Project, a conservative think tank, goes one step further - even calling it a Men's Rights bill.

The effect of this is obvious: Title IX would become a relic of a different era, as would many other protections currently enjoyed by women. The triumph of “gender identity” would wipe out women’s private spaces, giving biological males free rein to use women’s restrooms, locker rooms, and showers. It would force battered women’s shelters to open their doors to any man identifying as a woman, potentially putting the abused women who truly need that safe space in jeopardy. In short, it would be a complete and utter disaster for women.

At the same time, seen from a different perspective, it would be a near-total triumph for men’s rights. Meninists rejoice! After decades of ruthless oppression at the hands of women, men will finally enjoy the equality they so richly deserve, as nearly every special legal protection for women is systematically demolished.

In an ironic way, if passed into law, the “Equality Act” may end up living up to its name after all.



While Jon thinks ironically it would live up to its name, I see that as a good thing. I do recognize the problem with women's sports - testosterone is a hell of a drug after all, and the effects don't disappear immediately just because you identify differently or even block it presently. I don't know what to do about it, but I do recognize the unfairness inherent there with MtF transwomen and female sports. That being said, the fact that they are attempting to smear the equality act as bad for women, and even go on to admit it would lead to equality, just goes to show that from their point of view women are already in a better position in society than men.

Which, to me, indicates that men need equality really badly, and the equality act is definitely badly needed.

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Postby Chan Island » Tue May 14, 2019 6:48 am

It sounds like an all round good thing so I say implement.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue May 14, 2019 7:07 am

I believe that it is inevitably going to pass at some point in the next decade or so. Public attitudes seemed to have moved broadly in the direction of supporting it over the past couple of decades, but I think it still needs a bit of time before that support tips over into concrete legal and political change.
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Postby Aclion » Tue May 14, 2019 7:08 am

Where's political discrimination?

The effect of this is obvious: Title IX would become a relic of a different era, as would many other protections currently enjoyed by women. The triumph of “gender identity” would wipe out women’s private spaces, giving biological males free rein to use women’s restrooms, locker rooms, and showers. It would force battered women’s shelters to open their doors to any man identifying as a woman, potentially putting the abused women who truly need that safe space in jeopardy. In short, it would be a complete and utter disaster for women.

You know if women didn't force mens shelters to shut down I might actually give a shit.
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Postby Kowani » Tue May 14, 2019 7:09 am

You know, I can’t see what the Mormons are mad about this time. It doesn’t force them to accept gay members.
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Postby Shanhwa » Tue May 14, 2019 7:11 am

Sounds like shit.
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Postby Aglanen » Tue May 14, 2019 7:16 am

TERFs have been banding up with conservatives for quite some time now on the topic of trans rights. This is no surprise at all, I mean they're fucking TERFs, and they don't represent the majority of feminists. They and SWERFs are actually quite despise among most feminists.
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Postby Galloism » Tue May 14, 2019 7:21 am

Aglanen wrote:TERFs have been banding up with conservatives for quite some time now on the topic of trans rights. This is no surprise at all, I mean they're fucking TERFs, and they don't represent the majority of feminists. They and SWERFs are actually quite despise among most feminists.

Unfortunately, they are in the halls of power, testifying before Congress from their feminist perspective of hating trans people.
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Postby Aglanen » Tue May 14, 2019 7:25 am

Galloism wrote:
Aglanen wrote:TERFs have been banding up with conservatives for quite some time now on the topic of trans rights. This is no surprise at all, I mean they're fucking TERFs, and they don't represent the majority of feminists. They and SWERFs are actually quite despise among most feminists.

Unfortunately, they are in the halls of power, testifying before Congress from their feminist perspective of hating trans people.


Idk if I'd call it a "feminist perspective," they're social conservatives under another name. They've practically divorced from the left over this issue.
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Postby Galloism » Tue May 14, 2019 8:27 am

Aglanen wrote:
Galloism wrote:Unfortunately, they are in the halls of power, testifying before Congress from their feminist perspective of hating trans people.


Idk if I'd call it a "feminist perspective," they're social conservatives under another name. They've practically divorced from the left over this issue.

I don't think it's fair to put "feminist" and "left" as complete overlaps. In a lot ways, feminism is very conservative.

It straddles the political divide now.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue May 14, 2019 11:33 am

Galloism wrote:
Aglanen wrote:
Idk if I'd call it a "feminist perspective," they're social conservatives under another name. They've practically divorced from the left over this issue.

I don't think it's fair to put "feminist" and "left" as complete overlaps. In a lot ways, feminism is very conservative.

It straddles the political divide now.


I find that boomer cat lady feminism (the whole GIRL POWER! crowd) is much more conservative than SJW millennial feminism.
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Postby Dylar » Tue May 14, 2019 11:49 am

Perhaps members of Congress don’t understand that the Equality Act would allow biological men to be free from prosecution for indecent exposure or harassment simply by claiming to be women.


I actually find it surprising that they actually admitted that this happens...
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Postby Christian Confederation » Tue May 14, 2019 11:53 am

This is a stupid idea, everyone had equal rights. But since people complained we made up rights to give them.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue May 14, 2019 11:58 am

Christian Confederation wrote:This is a stupid idea, everyone had equal rights.

Yeah. Like they did before 1964.

Wait...



Christian Confederation wrote:But since people complained we made up rights to give them.

Like 1964?
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Postby Mettaton-EX » Tue May 14, 2019 12:01 pm

the "women's liberation front" again? people are still uncritically calling them feminist when they're funded entirely by rightwing antifeminists?
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Postby Ebrilond » Tue May 14, 2019 12:05 pm

Discrimination and opinions will always exist, no matter what. There is no such thing as "equality". You cannot force an Arab or Muslim to change their opinion towards homosexuals and the list goes on.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue May 14, 2019 12:08 pm

Dylar wrote:
Perhaps members of Congress don’t understand that the Equality Act would allow biological men to be free from prosecution for indecent exposure or harassment simply by claiming to be women.


I actually find it surprising that they actually admitted that this happens...

These are the people who made that up, so yeah, of course they would repeat their lie.
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Postby Mettaton-EX » Tue May 14, 2019 12:10 pm

Ebrilond wrote:Discrimination and opinions will always exist, no matter what. There is no such thing as "equality". You cannot force an Arab or Muslim to change their opinion towards homosexuals and the list goes on.

reminder that american muslims are more tolerant of queerness than evangelicals :)
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Mettaton-EX wrote:
Ebrilond wrote:Discrimination and opinions will always exist, no matter what. There is no such thing as "equality". You cannot force an Arab or Muslim to change their opinion towards homosexuals and the list goes on.

reminder that american muslims are more tolerant of queerness than evangelicals :)


Source on that one?
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Mettaton-EX wrote:reminder that american muslims are more tolerant of queerness than evangelicals :)


Source on that one?


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Postby Costa Fierro » Tue May 14, 2019 1:24 pm

Ifreann wrote:TERFs gonna TERF.


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Postby Galloism » Tue May 14, 2019 1:25 pm

Mettaton-EX wrote:the "women's liberation front" again? people are still uncritically calling them feminist when they're funded entirely by rightwing antifeminists?

Source?
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Postby Costa Fierro » Tue May 14, 2019 1:26 pm

Aglanen wrote:They and SWERFs are actually quite despise among most feminists.


Are they? Feminists seem to be doing three fifths of fuck all about it, because misandry is better than being actual progressives.
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Galloism wrote:I don't think it's fair to put "feminist" and "left" as complete overlaps. In a lot ways, feminism is very conservative.

It straddles the political divide now.


I find that boomer cat lady feminism (the whole GIRL POWER! crowd) is much more conservative than SJW millennial feminism.
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