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Postby Nerovia » Mon May 13, 2019 9:04 am

San Francisco journalist Bryan Carmody was detained by police at his home over not wanting to reveal his confidential source regarding the death of public defender Jeff Adachi.

https://www.npr.org/2019/05/13/72274526 ... ame-source
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latime ... utType=amp

You’re thoughts on the matter? I feel that there’s some fishy stuff the source gave to Carmody that could expose some powerful people (hence the raid), then again I could be wrong. :/
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon May 13, 2019 9:10 am

This is the problem with the law being able to force people to testify.
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon May 13, 2019 9:12 am

Nerovia wrote:San Francisco journalist Bryan Carmody was arrested by police at his home over not wanting to reveal his confidential source regarding the death of public defender Jeff Adachi.

https://www.npr.org/2019/05/13/72274526 ... ame-source
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latime ... utType=amp

You’re thoughts on the matter? I feel that there’s some fishy stuff the source gave to Carmody that could expose some powerful people (hence the raid), then again I could be wrong. :/

You might edit the title. The journalist was not arrested, though he was handcuffed while the police ransacked his home.
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Postby Nerovia » Mon May 13, 2019 1:08 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Nerovia wrote:San Francisco journalist Bryan Carmody was arrested by police at his home over not wanting to reveal his confidential source regarding the death of public defender Jeff Adachi.

https://www.npr.org/2019/05/13/72274526 ... ame-source
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latime ... utType=amp

You’re thoughts on the matter? I feel that there’s some fishy stuff the source gave to Carmody that could expose some powerful people (hence the raid), then again I could be wrong. :/

You might edit the title. The journalist was not arrested, though he was handcuffed while the police ransacked his home.


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Postby Aclion » Mon May 13, 2019 1:17 pm

"An attack on the rights of one journalist is an attack on the rights of all journalists."

Where were these people when Assange was arrested?
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Postby Shofercia » Mon May 13, 2019 1:20 pm

Nerovia wrote:San Francisco journalist Bryan Carmody was detained by police at his home over not wanting to reveal his confidential source regarding the death of public defender Jeff Adachi.

https://www.npr.org/2019/05/13/72274526 ... ame-source
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latime ... utType=amp

You’re thoughts on the matter? I feel that there’s some fishy stuff the source gave to Carmody that could expose some powerful people (hence the raid), then again I could be wrong. :/


SF cops, one of the worst in California. I'm not joking: https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/art ... 772631.php

Bay Area Legal Aid is threatening to sue to compel the San Francisco Police Department to provide timely copies of incident reports to victims of domestic violence, as mandated by state law. The reports are critical for victims seeking restraining orders against their attackers. And for victims’ attorneys, they’re key to building their clients’ cases. Delaying timely access to people’s own police reports can put victims and children at risk, the organization argues. A 20-year-old state law requires police departments to hand over copies of incident reports to domestic-assault victims or their attorneys no later than five days after a request is made. If police can show why a report isn’t immediately available, they can have up to 10 days.

BayLegal staff attorney Fawn Jade Korr said her office has seen delays ranging from 40 days to 128 days, and in some cases SFPD has improperly denied victims access to the records. Korr said the organization has tried and failed several times to work with the Police Department to get the city to comply with state law. San Francisco, she said, is “an outlier” among California cities in its struggles to meet the five- or 10-day deadlines for providing reports. “We have a responsibility at this point to both clients and domestic-violence survivors in the city and county to finally hold the San Francisco Police Department accountable,” she said. In a demand letter sent Tuesday to San Francisco Police Chief Bill Scott and City Attorney Dennis Herrera, BayLegal gave the city until the close of business April 29 to present a plan to get the department on track. Without one, BayLegal plans to sue in San Francisco Superior Court.


So remember, if you're sexually assaulted by your husband/wife, and you report it to the police, it's going to take some time to process it, while they can keep on sexually assaulting you. And if you want a gun to stop that - tough shit, especially if you're poor. But don't worry, article was written in April, and they said that they'll get all their ducks in a row by July, so it's really only a few months of constant sexual assault, no biggie. Just don't drop the soap in your own home. Of course in most Californian places, you can access county police, but not in SF, as that city is also it's own county, and has enough lobbyists to shield it from the state's prosecution.
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Postby Saiwania » Mon May 13, 2019 1:30 pm

I love this, finally it is happening. I'm tired of those reporters that're able to find the world's most wanted people and get an interview or some other outrageous publicity stunt with them and they refuse to divulge how they found them so they can be caught already.
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Postby Klorgia1 » Mon May 13, 2019 1:36 pm

Saiwania wrote:I love this, finally it is happening. I'm tired of those reporters that're able to find the world's most wanted people and get an interview or some other outrageous publicity stunt with them and they refuse to divulge how they found them so they can be caught already.


Yes, it's true this might be helpful for one or two cases. But what happens when Criminals realize interviews are a fools errand, and stop doing them? The occasional circumstances where police do track people down through these cease. Different organizations, the way they think, the way they operate, and how they recruit become much harder to find out. Think about the information gained from these interviews. Society is helped by the increase in knowledge, even if it is from a dark place. While this may seem nice once or twice, all this would do is remove more information from play when criminals stop stepping up to talk about their actions.
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Postby Shofercia » Mon May 13, 2019 1:37 pm

Saiwania wrote:I love this, finally it is happening. I'm tired of those reporters that're able to find the world's most wanted people and get an interview or some other outrageous publicity stunt with them and they refuse to divulge how they found them so they can be caught already.


Yes Sai, I can see it now - the leader of an international terrorist organization and his sole mission - expose San Franciscan corruption, a musical by Mel Brooks! Did it ever occur to you that most of the time the people that journalists are protecting, are in desperate need of protection, people like Jeffrey Wigand?
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Mon May 13, 2019 1:38 pm

Aclion wrote:
"An attack on the rights of one journalist is an attack on the rights of all journalists."

Where were these people when Assange was arrested?

Nowhere in the British legal code does it say that you have the right to not be arrested if you're charged with a crime.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Mon May 13, 2019 1:42 pm

The judge who approved this should be arrested.

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Postby Vassenor » Mon May 13, 2019 1:45 pm

Aclion wrote:
"An attack on the rights of one journalist is an attack on the rights of all journalists."

Where were these people when Assange was arrested?


Assange is not a journalist.
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Mon May 13, 2019 1:46 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:The judge who approved this should be arrested.

I'd be willing to settle for "disbarred" but I don't disagree.

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Postby Proctopeo » Mon May 13, 2019 1:50 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Aclion wrote:
"An attack on the rights of one journalist is an attack on the rights of all journalists."

Where were these people when Assange was arrested?


Assange is not a journalist.

He literally is, though.

Anyway, as much as anonymous sources are obnoxious (and often feel like it's just the journo pulling stuff out of their ass), this ain't right.
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Mon May 13, 2019 1:53 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Assange is not a journalist.

He literally is, though.

Anyway, as much as anonymous sources are obnoxious (and often feel like it's just the journo pulling stuff out of their ass), this ain't right.

By sending in Big Brother, all they did was convince people that the journalist was telling the truth.
If he was lying, you'd think that they'd brush it off like they do every other tabloid. You don't go to these lengths to find someone's source unless they're shedding light on something you'd rather keep hidden.

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Postby Proctopeo » Mon May 13, 2019 1:56 pm

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:He literally is, though.

Anyway, as much as anonymous sources are obnoxious (and often feel like it's just the journo pulling stuff out of their ass), this ain't right.

By sending in Big Brother, all they did was convince people that the journalist was telling the truth.
If he was lying, you'd think that they'd brush it off like they do every other tabloid. You don't go to these lengths to find someone's source unless they're shedding light on something you'd rather keep hidden.

I never disputed that.
Now, it's very possible - though unlikely - that they want to know the source for less sinister reasons. Like, perhaps, the leaked report was falsified and they want to tell the person to shove off. But since it's San Fran, probably not.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon May 13, 2019 2:29 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Nerovia wrote:San Francisco journalist Bryan Carmody was detained by police at his home over not wanting to reveal his confidential source regarding the death of public defender Jeff Adachi.

https://www.npr.org/2019/05/13/72274526 ... ame-source
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latime ... utType=amp

You’re thoughts on the matter? I feel that there’s some fishy stuff the source gave to Carmody that could expose some powerful people (hence the raid), then again I could be wrong. :/


SF cops, one of the worst in California. I'm not joking: https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/art ... 772631.php

Bay Area Legal Aid is threatening to sue to compel the San Francisco Police Department to provide timely copies of incident reports to victims of domestic violence, as mandated by state law. The reports are critical for victims seeking restraining orders against their attackers. And for victims’ attorneys, they’re key to building their clients’ cases. Delaying timely access to people’s own police reports can put victims and children at risk, the organization argues. A 20-year-old state law requires police departments to hand over copies of incident reports to domestic-assault victims or their attorneys no later than five days after a request is made. If police can show why a report isn’t immediately available, they can have up to 10 days.

BayLegal staff attorney Fawn Jade Korr said her office has seen delays ranging from 40 days to 128 days, and in some cases SFPD has improperly denied victims access to the records. Korr said the organization has tried and failed several times to work with the Police Department to get the city to comply with state law. San Francisco, she said, is “an outlier” among California cities in its struggles to meet the five- or 10-day deadlines for providing reports. “We have a responsibility at this point to both clients and domestic-violence survivors in the city and county to finally hold the San Francisco Police Department accountable,” she said. In a demand letter sent Tuesday to San Francisco Police Chief Bill Scott and City Attorney Dennis Herrera, BayLegal gave the city until the close of business April 29 to present a plan to get the department on track. Without one, BayLegal plans to sue in San Francisco Superior Court.


So remember, if you're sexually assaulted by your husband/wife, and you report it to the police, it's going to take some time to process it, while they can keep on sexually assaulting you. And if you want a gun to stop that - tough shit, especially if you're poor. But don't worry, article was written in April, and they said that they'll get all their ducks in a row by July, so it's really only a few months of constant sexual assault, no biggie. Just don't drop the soap in your own home. Of course in most Californian places, you can access county police, but not in SF, as that city is also it's own county, and has enough lobbyists to shield it from the state's prosecution.

Time for direct rule from Sacramento
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Postby Shofercia » Mon May 13, 2019 3:23 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
SF cops, one of the worst in California. I'm not joking: https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/art ... 772631.php



So remember, if you're sexually assaulted by your husband/wife, and you report it to the police, it's going to take some time to process it, while they can keep on sexually assaulting you. And if you want a gun to stop that - tough shit, especially if you're poor. But don't worry, article was written in April, and they said that they'll get all their ducks in a row by July, so it's really only a few months of constant sexual assault, no biggie. Just don't drop the soap in your own home. Of course in most Californian places, you can access county police, but not in SF, as that city is also it's own county, and has enough lobbyists to shield it from the state's prosecution.

Time for direct rule from Sacramento


Governor Gavin Newsom - former San Francisco Mayor
Lt. Gov. Eleni Kounalakis - former San Francisco Port Commission Board Member
Treasurer Fiona Ma - former San Francisco Lobbyist
Controller Betty Yee - former San Franciscan, involved in SF politics
Attorney General Xavier Beccera - friendly Latino, appointed to replace Kamala Harris, former attorney general of San Francisco, and you guessed it - California
Secretary of State Alex Padilla - friendly Latino, big fan of Clinton, loved Clinton Feinstein connection - did I mention that Dianne Feinstein was San Francisco Mayor?
Insurance Commissioner - Ricardo Lara, friendly Latino
Superintended of Public Education - Tony Thurmond, he sucks union cock harder than anyone else in California, even Obama's secretary of education, Arnie Duncan was shocked by the suckage and endorsed his opponent.

What direct control are you talking about? San Franciscans took over California, and are trying to shove their bullshit down our throats.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon May 13, 2019 4:00 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Time for direct rule from Sacramento


Governor Gavin Newsom - former San Francisco Mayor
Lt. Gov. Eleni Kounalakis - former San Francisco Port Commission Board Member
Treasurer Fiona Ma - former San Francisco Lobbyist
Controller Betty Yee - former San Franciscan, involved in SF politics
Attorney General Xavier Beccera - friendly Latino, appointed to replace Kamala Harris, former attorney general of San Francisco, and you guessed it - California
Secretary of State Alex Padilla - friendly Latino, big fan of Clinton, loved Clinton Feinstein connection - did I mention that Dianne Feinstein was San Francisco Mayor?
Insurance Commissioner - Ricardo Lara, friendly Latino
Superintended of Public Education - Tony Thurmond, he sucks union cock harder than anyone else in California, even Obama's secretary of education, Arnie Duncan was shocked by the suckage and endorsed his opponent.

What direct control are you talking about? San Franciscans took over California, and are trying to shove their bullshit down our throats.

Direct control from San Diego? Or Washington?
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Mon May 13, 2019 4:19 pm

San Francisco police when illegal immigrants with criminal records and prior deportations are roaming the streets:
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San Francisco police when homeless people are literally shitting on sidewalks:
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San Francisco police when a journalist doesn't wanna give up their source:
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Thermodolia wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
Governor Gavin Newsom - former San Francisco Mayor
Lt. Gov. Eleni Kounalakis - former San Francisco Port Commission Board Member
Treasurer Fiona Ma - former San Francisco Lobbyist
Controller Betty Yee - former San Franciscan, involved in SF politics
Attorney General Xavier Beccera - friendly Latino, appointed to replace Kamala Harris, former attorney general of San Francisco, and you guessed it - California
Secretary of State Alex Padilla - friendly Latino, big fan of Clinton, loved Clinton Feinstein connection - did I mention that Dianne Feinstein was San Francisco Mayor?
Insurance Commissioner - Ricardo Lara, friendly Latino
Superintended of Public Education - Tony Thurmond, he sucks union cock harder than anyone else in California, even Obama's secretary of education, Arnie Duncan was shocked by the suckage and endorsed his opponent.

What direct control are you talking about? San Franciscans took over California, and are trying to shove their bullshit down our throats.

Direct control from San Diego? Or Washington?


I think direct control from Camp Pendleton would be awesome, at least until the city's cleaned up a bit. It'd be hilarious to watch SF politicians whine about having to come in on time.


Nova Cyberia wrote:San Francisco police when illegal immigrants with criminal records and prior deportations are roaming the streets:


San Francisco police when homeless people are literally shitting on sidewalks:


San Francisco police when a journalist doesn't wanna give up their source:


That sums it up nicely.
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Postby Unia Ante » Mon May 13, 2019 8:43 pm

Saiwania wrote:I love this, finally it is happening. I'm tired of those reporters that're able to find the world's most wanted people and get an interview or some other outrageous publicity stunt with them and they refuse to divulge how they found them so they can be caught already.

The thing with Journalism is that Journalists need to maintain credibility and trust. Journalists want to be able to protect a source, no matter how criminal, or else who is gonna trust them in the future? I suppose you could say it's kind of a trade off for being able to give the world access to information.

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Postby Galloism » Mon May 13, 2019 8:46 pm

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Saiwania wrote:I love this, finally it is happening. I'm tired of those reporters that're able to find the world's most wanted people and get an interview or some other outrageous publicity stunt with them and they refuse to divulge how they found them so they can be caught already.

The thing with Journalism is that Journalists need to maintain credibility and trust. Journalists want to be able to protect a source, no matter how criminal, or else who is gonna trust them in the future? I suppose you could say it's kind of a trade off for being able to give the world access to information.

Well, and journalists have often been the first to break stories of government corruption and crime that would otherwise be covered up. Their keeping their sources confidential results in these people who "drop a dime" so to speak to actually do so with a reasonable belief they will be spared the retribution from the coverup.

I understand being upset, as we DO want to catch criminals, but on the balance, I'd rather be unable to catch a few criminals and government corruption be made known than to catch those few criminals but government corruption go unchecked.

Price-wise, I think the juice is worth the squeeze.
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