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Vulturret
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Statement Regarding Recent Events

Postby Vulturret » Fri May 10, 2019 12:00 pm

Greetings,

Most of you will know me as the Emperor of the Ragerian Imperium or perhaps as Prime Minister of Balder. I will be in those positions no more.

I have committed a blatantly foolish and greedily guided act of concealing a known leaker, Moneyness, as Jake the Snake (Slitherin Snakes) within TRI and Balder. This was done over a period of many months (roughly ten) and significantly undermined the security of both of these regions that I hold so dear.

I trust that further statements released by third parties will bring to light the details of the act, but the basic premise is that I made an extremely foolish decision for the benefit of myself and my regions at the expense of others by concealing the true identity of an individual I was responsible for as a regional leader. For that, I apologize sincerely. It was an extremely misguided and ill-informed decision.

I will be evaluating how to move forward with removing myself from all positions of power in NationStates and leaving for this atrocious act I have committed.

Thank you for a good two years.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Fri May 10, 2019 12:12 pm

That's wonderful to hear...
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Postby Vando0sa » Fri May 10, 2019 12:17 pm

JAKE WAS MONEYNESS ALL THIS TIME?! I liked Jake..
I raided a region and I liked it!

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Postby Your Imaginary Friend » Fri May 10, 2019 12:20 pm

Aw no. ;-;
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Postby Altino » Fri May 10, 2019 12:21 pm

Did you get caught, or did something happen that lead you to expose him? Sorry if I'm out of the loop, I've no idea what "recent events" are meant to be.

God bless, though. Sorry for TRI and Balder when Moneyness releases all your secret plans in a fit of rage and then tries to turn anti-imperialism later... :(
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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Fri May 10, 2019 12:22 pm

Wow. I interacted directly with this guy as Delegate of Pacifica, and had no idea he was Moneyness. Not kosher, given his history with my friends.

Commiserations to Balder as well for this violation of its sovereignty and security.
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Borovan entered the region as he
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Postby Borovan entered the region as he » Fri May 10, 2019 12:29 pm

I'm a little shocked and disappointed by this. Moneyness was a not welcome by the black hawks and leaked several ops year and half ago.

im like very sorry to hear vult leaving ns, the fact that this was hidden from the leadership of TRI to the NS R/D community wonders me and it is a shame to a good raider. Vult should have known better. You have been a good person in the raiding community and you will be missed, during my career and the time i have been here .
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Postby Cataluna » Fri May 10, 2019 12:29 pm

Vult and Money,

You are both people I never want to see again. I could say more, but that violates the stupid gag order on insults NS has for these situations. I hope you both find time in real life to become better people, but somehow (at least in Money's case) I doubt that will happen.
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Postby Devi » Fri May 10, 2019 12:49 pm

Seconding the sentiments above; but aside from that.

What reasoning did you have for knowingly concealing this for so long? You're writing it off as a mistake now, but there had to have been some reasoning behind the initial decision to not expose it.
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Postby Marilyn Manson Freaks » Fri May 10, 2019 3:35 pm

I'm extremely disappointed to say the least. I can't even describe how much. However, I'm upset that you're leaving NS. You're a great person and I'll miss you.
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Postby Slitherin Snakes » Fri May 10, 2019 4:57 pm

Vulturret wrote:Greetings,

Most of you will know me as the Emperor of the Ragerian Imperium or perhaps as Prime Minister of Balder. I will be in those positions no more.

I have committed a blatantly foolish and greedily guided act of concealing a known leaker, Moneyness, as Jake the Snake (Slitherin Snakes) within TRI and Balder. This was done over a period of many months (roughly ten) and significantly undermined the security of both of these regions that I hold so dear.

I trust that further statements released by third parties will bring to light the details of the act, but the basic premise is that I made an extremely foolish decision for the benefit of myself and my regions at the expense of others by concealing the true identity of an individual I was responsible for as a regional leader. For that, I apologize sincerely. It was an extremely misguided and ill-informed decision.

I will be evaluating how to move forward with removing myself from all positions of power in NationStates and leaving for this atrocious act I have committed.

Thank you for a good two years.


I am sorry Vult for hiding this from you and causing you to leave. Yes I messed up and shouldn't have released that information a long time ago. I was going through a lot during that time when one of my close friends that I hung out with a few days every week was killed in a car accident. I was struggling throughout all of that and shared it with the council. Jaker and Souls were helpful the first few weeks, but as time went on I thought I was fine and getting better and so did they. The truth was that it affected me greater than even I knew. Koth was, is, and always will be Koth. Sygian was a jerk to me sometimes and Souls even told me to ignore his comments. Those two council members were more of jerks to me when I was there. They did not mean to be but the way they would come across to me would be. Especially with what I was going through I needer nicer, kinder people like Souls, Jakker, and Vapid. While I was struggling and making mistakes as I dealt with the loss The Council decided to part ways. I expected the council to be wiser and not have Koth or Sygian since they weren't the best towards me be the ones to talk about it. They had Koth do it. The one that had been a jerk and bully to me in TBH. Koth then in the rudest, meanest way possible told me I was done from TBH. He told me the only reason people on NS liked me was for raiding. He said the most hurtful things to me when I was already going through a rough time and he knew and he didn't care. Instead he tried to push me over the edge saying he hopes I get DOSed and then told me to release sleepers that he didn't care.

I own up to the fact now that I shouldn't have released them. That part is on me and I wasn't thinking clearly going through that now. To those that sleepers I fucked up and didn't do that I am sorry. To Souls, Jakker, Rai, Vapid, Yuno and other Sergeants in TBH I am sorry for what I did then. I should have listened to you Vapid and Yuno when you told me not to and just take a week or two to deal with it. I know what I went through doesn't excuse these actions and I shouldn't have done that. For that reason I never went back to TBH. I wasn't happy there the last few months I was there and I stayed anyway which was part of the problem. I stayed because they were good at raiding and other regions weren't.

During that time I have grown up and gotten better and have a full time job now. I wanted a fresh start to have some fun and only went to TRI since I heard Sithis was here and he was good to me when I was there. During the time I was there I didn't leak or hinder any operations I participated on. Even TBH's. I am sorry for the people I have deceived, but I am happy though that people do think that I have gotten better. I would appreciate it if I could receive a second chance to enjoy this game.
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Postby Drop Your Pants » Fri May 10, 2019 5:13 pm

Slitherin Snakes wrote:I would appreciate it if I could receive a second chance to enjoy this game.

Second chances are usually given to those who come back and apologise under their original name (few exceptions to that of course). This would be your third chance.

Not sure why you spent a whole paragraph calling Koth a bully.
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Postby Altino » Fri May 10, 2019 5:25 pm

And here we see Moneyness evidently believing that we've all just entirely forgotten the things he did to get kicked out of TBH in the first place and wasting his apology on blaming his actions on other people rather than actually taking ownership for any of them. Truly a changed man.
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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Fri May 10, 2019 5:26 pm

Slitherin Snakes wrote:I am sorry Vult for hiding this from you and causing you to leave. Yes I messed up and shouldn't have released that information a long time ago. I was going through a lot during that time when one of my close friends that I hung out with a few days every week was killed in a car accident. I was struggling throughout all of that and shared it with the council. Jaker and Souls were helpful the first few weeks, but as time went on I thought I was fine and getting better and so did they. The truth was that it affected me greater than even I knew. Koth was, is, and always will be Koth. Sygian was a jerk to me sometimes and Souls even told me to ignore his comments. Those two council members were more of jerks to me when I was there. They did not mean to be but the way they would come across to me would be. Especially with what I was going through I needer nicer, kinder people like Souls, Jakker, and Vapid. While I was struggling and making mistakes as I dealt with the loss The Council decided to part ways. I expected the council to be wiser and not have Koth or Sygian since they weren't the best towards me be the ones to talk about it. They had Koth do it. The one that had been a jerk and bully to me in TBH. Koth then in the rudest, meanest way possible told me I was done from TBH. He told me the only reason people on NS liked me was for raiding. He said the most hurtful things to me when I was already going through a rough time and he knew and he didn't care. Instead he tried to push me over the edge saying he hopes I get DOSed and then told me to release sleepers that he didn't care.

You're so "sorry," and yet you continue your smear campaign against Koth and Sygian. You're not sorry.

What you are though is a homophobe, a leaker, and an all around jerk. You've dragged an otherwise good player (Vult) down with you in your scheming and deception. You're as poisonous as Block. Get lost.
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Postby RiderSyl » Fri May 10, 2019 5:29 pm

Damn it Vulturret. You knew better than to do that.
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Postby KhanterWinters » Fri May 10, 2019 6:02 pm

Slitherin Snakes wrote:I am sorry Vult


Nope, First Lie, Snakes are never sorry, you have a good track picking good nicks according your personality.

Slitherin Snakes wrote: Jakker and Souls were helpful the first few weeks, but as time went on I thought I was fine and getting better and so did they. The truth was that it affected me greater than even I knew. Koth was, is, and always will be Koth. Sygian was a jerk to me sometimes and Souls even told me to ignore his comments. Those two council members were more of jerks to me when I was there. They did not mean to be but the way they would come across to me would be. Especially with what I was going through I needer nicer, kinder people like Souls, Jakker, and Vapid. While I was struggling and making mistakes as I dealt with the loss The Council decided to part ways. I expected the council to be wiser and not have Koth or Sygian since they weren't the best towards me be the ones to talk about it. They had Koth do it. The one that had been a jerk and bully to me in TBH. Koth then in the rudest, meanest way possible told me I was done from TBH. He told me the only reason people on NS liked me was for raiding. He said the most hurtful things to me when I was already going through a rough time and he knew and he didn't care. Instead he tried to push me over the edge saying he hopes I get DOSed and then told me to release sleepers that he didn't care.


Oh! Booho! Koth is mean, bua bua.
I would be worried if Koth stops being Koth, Koth being Rude is essential to have a normal way to be.
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Slitherin Snakes wrote: I would appreciate it if I could receive a second chance to enjoy this game.


Well Everyone deserves a second chance... That is a true fact, BUT, Second chances are not given, you should know that better than others, Second chances are build up by yourself, you should stop hiding by different nicks, stop playing the seek and find, and think about what you want, and what is going to be your GP. BUT After this TRI - Balder stuff, will be hard to build a Third Chance, since burn up the second one.

Good Luck.
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Postby Kaystein » Fri May 10, 2019 6:13 pm

I'm not sure why this is any of my business or a public matter.
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Postby King HEM » Fri May 10, 2019 6:14 pm

A lot of issues are getting conflated here, and I think it's worth focusing on the things that should get someone blacklisted from Nationstates: bigotry directed at other players and serious false OOC accusations.

People keep bringing up being a leaker and lumping that into that, but tbh I don't really care if someone is leaking? That's apart of the espionage in the game and should not be conflated with the other issues in my opinion.

Anyways, Vult I think it's a good idea you step away from the game for a moment, but I hope to see you again with your judgment hopefully reassessed.
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Postby Slitherin Snakes » Fri May 10, 2019 6:30 pm

Drop Your Pants wrote:
Slitherin Snakes wrote:I would appreciate it if I could receive a second chance to enjoy this game.

Second chances are usually given to those who come back and apologise under their original name (few exceptions to that of course). This would be your third chance.

Not sure why you spent a whole paragraph calling Koth a bully.


I have debated and thought dozens of times about it but each time it didn't seem like a good idea. Showing up under that name on NS I thought would cause more harm. In addition I didn't feel I deserved to that nation or any of my previous nations since what I did was wrong. I thought that starting fresh was the best way. I was not going back into a community I had been in the past so I saw no need to have my past identity known. There was nothing planned on that. That was to help explain the space of mind I was in when I leaked that information which I shouldn't have. Yes I have my own control of my body and shouldn't have done it irregardless.

Cormactopia Prime wrote:You're so "sorry," and yet you continue your smear campaign against Koth and Sygian. You're not sorry.

What you are though is a homophobe, a leaker, and an all around jerk. You've dragged an otherwise good player (Vult) down with you in your scheming and deception. You're as poisonous as Block. Get lost.


Cormac you didn't have access to the SGT+ channel in TBH or the DMs. Your friends aren't perfect. Also I don't appreciate that false allegation against me of calling me a homophobe. Some of my good friends and the nicest people I've met are gay. To me it doesn't matter if they are gay or not. It is all down to if they are a nice person. One time decisions don't determine what a person is. Yes I made a mistake one time. That was it. That does not make me a constant continuous leaker. You were not in TBH and affected by the leaks. Your apology or thoughts don't matter.

Altino wrote:And here we see Moneyness evidently believing that we've all just entirely forgotten the things he did to get kicked out of TBH in the first place and wasting his apology on blaming his actions on other people rather than actually taking ownership for any of them. Truly a changed man.


No I am not blaming that on TBH. I am admitting that what I did was wrong. Regardless what TBH did I shouldn't have stooped that low. I am also stating that TBH didn't happen it perfectly as well. There are things that they could have done as well that probably wouldn't have ended it that way.
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Postby Felt Karpit » Fri May 10, 2019 7:30 pm

Slitherin Snakes wrote:
To Souls, Jakker, Rai, Vapid, Yuno and other Sergeants in TBH I am sorry for what I did then.


I notice that Jay and Sini are absent in your apology. I don't think a blanket "all other SGT+s" should count.
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Postby Slitherin Snakes » Fri May 10, 2019 7:49 pm

Felt Karpit wrote:
Slitherin Snakes wrote:
To Souls, Jakker, Rai, Vapid, Yuno and other Sergeants in TBH I am sorry for what I did then.


I notice that Jay and Sini are absent in your apology. I don't think a blanket "all other SGT+s" should count.


Yes I didn't want to bring more attention to what I did to them. They do deserve one though you are right on that. To Jay first I am sorry about how I treated you at the end. Sometimes people start off with the best of intentions and it goes horribly wrong. I was trying to give advice when I thought I was right about something and I was wrong. I got frustrated and annoyed at you that you never came to me directly or first to let me know how I had bothered you. That part hurt me more since I thought we were friends before that. I wish I had been able to fix things or find a way but you had already blocked me at that point and I didn't handle that well. Sini I don't know why I was rough or hard on you doing stupid immature things like saying our troops were otter hunting on tag raids. That was just dumb of me and I shouldn't have done that. I also shouldn't have asked you questions trying to put you between Jay and myself. I don't know why I did it. Maybe I was jealous that you were close and good friends with Jay and I wasn't anymore. I don't know why I did that but I am sorry for how I treated both of you.
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Postby Lamoni » Fri May 10, 2019 9:05 pm

Cormactopia Prime wrote:
Slitherin Snakes wrote:I am sorry Vult for hiding this from you and causing you to leave. Yes I messed up and shouldn't have released that information a long time ago. I was going through a lot during that time when one of my close friends that I hung out with a few days every week was killed in a car accident. I was struggling throughout all of that and shared it with the council. Jaker and Souls were helpful the first few weeks, but as time went on I thought I was fine and getting better and so did they. The truth was that it affected me greater than even I knew. Koth was, is, and always will be Koth. Sygian was a jerk to me sometimes and Souls even told me to ignore his comments. Those two council members were more of jerks to me when I was there. They did not mean to be but the way they would come across to me would be. Especially with what I was going through I needer nicer, kinder people like Souls, Jakker, and Vapid. While I was struggling and making mistakes as I dealt with the loss The Council decided to part ways. I expected the council to be wiser and not have Koth or Sygian since they weren't the best towards me be the ones to talk about it. They had Koth do it. The one that had been a jerk and bully to me in TBH. Koth then in the rudest, meanest way possible told me I was done from TBH. He told me the only reason people on NS liked me was for raiding. He said the most hurtful things to me when I was already going through a rough time and he knew and he didn't care. Instead he tried to push me over the edge saying he hopes I get DOSed and then told me to release sleepers that he didn't care.

You're so "sorry," and yet you continue your smear campaign against Koth and Sygian. You're not sorry.

What you are though is a homophobe, a leaker, and an all around jerk. You've dragged an otherwise good player (Vult) down with you in your scheming and deception. You're as poisonous as Block. Get lost.


Cormac,

Now would be a good time for you to take a step or two back, and cool off. NS has a blanket moratorium on insulting other users, and you know this.


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Postby Queen Yuno » Fri May 10, 2019 9:43 pm

King HEM wrote:A lot of issues are getting conflated here, and I think it's worth focusing on the things that should get someone blacklisted from Nationstates: bigotry directed at other players and serious false OOC accusations.
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Anyways, Vult I think it's a good idea you step away from the game for a moment, but I hope to see you again with your judgment hopefully reassessed.

Completely agreed with this post.

On a personal note, this happened to me too, six months ago, but no one seemed to care.

I hope from now on, people take false OOC accusations seriously, and punish the people who make the accusations. It didn't happen to those who did it to me... and I don't care about those liars being punished, I've resigned and given up....completely.

BUT.

My only wish is for serious OOC fake accusations to never happen to another person again. It plain hurts when you know it's fake! And it pisses you off so much when you log into NationStates, and you see complete strangers gossiping FAKE RUMORS about you, just because some prick you pissed off in the past wanted some OOC revenge.

(Only you HEM were kind enough to accept my protests about the statements being wrong, and proposed an EDIT to a false statement. Albeit I wasn't satisfied at the exclusion of the most important details, I understood that you did the best you can. Thank you again.)

But seriously, why do liars keep thriving in this game? Just stop lying about other people. Just stop. Thank you.


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Postby Cataluna » Fri May 10, 2019 10:06 pm

Not accepted lol.

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Postby Armaros » Fri May 10, 2019 10:20 pm

I'm going to say: sorry to see you go, Vult. What you did was wrong, but you're one of the nicest folks on this game. It would be a good idea to take a step back and take a break, maybe. I will say that you should possibly step from your positions in TRI and Balder. Aside from that, I hope you learned your lesson.

As to Jake/Moneyness, I can't judge you much as I have never really met you. The entire paragraph dedicated to attacking Koth is definitely not a good sign, though. Neither is your attack on Sygian. If you consider them "assholes", that says a lot about you. I'd advice you to leave the game. It isn't worth staying. I'm unaware of what caused TBH to ban you, but I imagine it was not pretty and I trust the Council's decision. I care little about the leaks, it's the initial ban that I'm concerned about. They don't get handed out lightly.
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