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[DRAFT] International Seabed Surveying (Help Needed)

Postby Blyskalia » Thu May 09, 2019 6:42 am

International Seafloor Surveying Effort

RECOGNIZES the importance of our oceans and the vast potential scientific knowledge contained within these bodies;

OBSERVES that a vast majority of the ocean floor has remained unmapped and uncharted;

NOTES that whilst some efforts are underway to map the ocean floor, a united international effort is not present, which prevents the free sharing of knowledge and data;

ACKNOWLEDGES every Member State’s right to sovereignty and the established right to claim their seabed up to and including twenty-four nautical miles offshore;

RECOGNIZES the wisdom of GAR #168, governing the conduct and privileges of Member States as it relates to their oceanic and/or other aquatic claims;


DECLARES ACCORDINGLY:

    1. The World Assembly Oceanic Surveying Authority (WAOSA) be tasked with the express goal of surveying the seabed and geological features below sea-level as part of an international cooperative effort to further scientific understanding and knowledge of the seabed

    2. The WAOSA is instructed to survey all international and ungoverned waters and to survey the national waters of member states subject to authorization by the member state's relevant marine authority.

      a. Surveying may be conducted using: lead lines, sounding poles, single-beam echo-sounders, multibeam swath systems, side-scan sonar systems, and lidar (light detection and ranging)

      b. Equipment may be installed on inflatable craft, small vessels, autonomous underwater vehicles (AUVs), unmanned underwater vehicles (UUVs) and/or large ships

      c. The WAOSA may survey international and ungoverned waters without restriction

    3. All Member States are allowed the ability to request WAOSA personnel and vessels not conduct surveying and data collecting within their territorial waters

      a. Member States may make this appeal to WAOSA personnel and vessels at any time regardless of any prior consent given

      b. Upon the reception of a request, the WAOSA will send the case to an internal panel to consider the concerns of the party making the plea

        i. During the period in which the request is pending or is otherwise being processed, WAOSA vessels will promptly vacate the territorial waters of the party making the appeal

    4. All data collected by WAOSA on a specific Member State’s seabed will be firstly shared with the nation from which the data originates

      a. The relevant Member State is guaranteed the unrestricted right to withhold and/or request the data not be disseminated in any form

        i. Member States are banned from altering and/or falsifying any data pertaining to their seabed

        ii. The WAOSA is mandated not to comply with any request from a Member State to falsify and/or dishonestly report geological data

    5. The participating Member States are mandated to provide any and all relevant and declassified maps, charts and existing geological data pertaining to their respective area of the seabed in order to allow surveying to be undertaken in the most efficient manner

ADDS THE FOLLOWING EXCEPTIONS:

    1. Military vessels or fleets may, for the express purpose of national security, request that a WAOSA vessel does not survey a specific area of ocean floor surrounding the military vessel or fleet up to two nautical miles in diameter from the vessel(s), even in international waters

    2. WAOSA vessels are permitted to, in a time of dire peril, seek harbor in a nation which has not given consent to allow WAOSA personnel to enter

      a. No surveying and/or geological research will be completed in this scenario

FORMS the World Assembly Oceanic Surveying Authority (WAOSA) to preside over and conduct surveying operations on the seabed as well as to collect and collate data relating to the surveying of the seabed.
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Postby Odyssium » Thu May 09, 2019 7:42 am

This seems to be of good quality. I've read it through and I don't really know much about resolutions, but it looks okay, the problem is its kinda useless, like it doesn't really do anything useful. Besides that, it looks cool

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Postby Kenmoria » Thu May 09, 2019 8:12 am

(OOC: This appears to be a violation of the committee-only rule, as you have no mandates that aren’t accomplished by the WAOSA. You need to have some clauses that directly require or encourage action from member states.)
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Postby Blyskalia » Thu May 09, 2019 8:25 am

Kenmoria wrote:(OOC: This appears to be a violation of the committee-only rule, as you have no mandates that aren’t accomplished by the WAOSA. You need to have some clauses that directly require or encourage action from member states.)

Good suggestion! I would've thought requesting funding from member states to contribute would have been enough but I'll see how I could expand

(Edit: I expanded the 3rd clause a bunch, so hopefully that will extend its impact without making any over-extensions)
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Postby The New Nordic Union » Thu May 09, 2019 8:41 am

OOC: This might be illegal for optionality, as member nations have the right not to have their sea-bed surveyed, and can withdraw their consent at any given time.
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Postby Kenmoria » Thu May 09, 2019 8:46 am

Blyskalia wrote:
Kenmoria wrote:(OOC: This appears to be a violation of the committee-only rule, as you have no mandates that aren’t accomplished by the WAOSA. You need to have some clauses that directly require or encourage action from member states.)

Good suggestion! I would've thought requesting funding from member states to contribute would have been enough but I'll see how I could expand

(Edit: I expanded the 3rd clause a bunch, so hopefully that will extend its impact without making any over-extensions)

(OOC: I don’t think, though there is room for debate, that merely requiring equipment to be supplied will be enough. The General Fund provides money anyway, and precedent says that merely interacting with a committee won’t suffice.

You need to have something such as ‘Mandates that member nations do not pursue any governmental projects that harm the seafloor.’ This is just an example, and wouldn’t work anyway, but shows what sort of obligations are required.)
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Postby Blyskalia » Thu May 09, 2019 9:38 am

Kenmoria wrote:
Blyskalia wrote:Good suggestion! I would've thought requesting funding from member states to contribute would have been enough but I'll see how I could expand

(Edit: I expanded the 3rd clause a bunch, so hopefully that will extend its impact without making any over-extensions)

(OOC: I don’t think, though there is room for debate, that merely requiring equipment to be supplied will be enough. The General Fund provides money anyway, and precedent says that merely interacting with a committee won’t suffice.

You need to have something such as ‘Mandates that member nations do not pursue any governmental projects that harm the seafloor.’ This is just an example, and wouldn’t work anyway, but shows what sort of obligations are required.)

So I've expanded now to mandate how nations report and certain regulations around that as well as adding a 6th clause
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Postby Odyssium » Thu May 09, 2019 10:20 am

Blyskalia wrote:
Kenmoria wrote:(OOC: I don’t think, though there is room for debate, that merely requiring equipment to be supplied will be enough. The General Fund provides money anyway, and precedent says that merely interacting with a committee won’t suffice.

You need to have something such as ‘Mandates that member nations do not pursue any governmental projects that harm the seafloor.’ This is just an example, and wouldn’t work anyway, but shows what sort of obligations are required.)

So I've expanded now to mandate how nations report and certain regulations around that as well as adding a 6th clause

This looks pretty terrible at this point, now the enforcement and strength is far too much, I think you should scale it back, imo, this resolution has good language but is all over the place in terms of its goals, are you trying to restrict commerce, are you interefering with military actios, its hard to tell

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Postby Blyskalia » Thu May 09, 2019 10:34 am

At this point, I feel like I've plugged any major holes, I would really really appreciate any advice on the specific legality of my resolution as well as possibly some advice on my syntax :)

Thank you all so much, you are all so appreciated by me

(Edit: I dont think the resolution falls into the problem of being optional, as the previous Resolution, Law of the Seas, already allows Member Nations the exclusive right to their oceanic territories, it is a logical consequence Member Nations could enforce this sovereignty my restricting my WAOSA. I included this ability to refuse WAOSA as a way to avoid contradicting the prior resolution, I would appreciate all advice, opinions and perspectives though)
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Thu May 09, 2019 10:57 am

OOC: The "Reaffirms" clause in the (alleged) preamble is a House of Cards violation. Cut out the quotations and change it to read something like "Recognizing the wisdom of GAR #168, governing the rights, duties, and powers of member states on the high seas..."
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Postby Blyskalia » Thu May 09, 2019 11:08 am

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:OOC: The "Reaffirms" clause in the (alleged) preamble is a House of Cards violation. Cut out the quotations and change it to read something like "Recognizing the wisdom of GAR #168, governing the rights, duties, and powers of member states on the high seas..."

I edited that clause, I don't think it's quite sufficient yet, the clause feels underdeveloped (maybe it should considering I should simply be touching on the precedent). Any advice?
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Postby Aclion » Thu May 09, 2019 11:25 am

Blyskalia wrote:(Edit: I dont think the resolution falls into the problem of being optional, as the previous Resolution, Law of the Seas, already allows Member Nations the exclusive right to their oceanic territories, it is a logical consequence Member Nations could enforce this sovereignty my restricting my WAOSA. I included this ability to refuse WAOSA as a way to avoid contradicting the prior resolution, I would appreciate all advice, opinions and perspectives though)

It still reads as optional, but, as you have other mandates it could be written not to. Something like:
The WAOSA is instructed to survey all international and ungoverned waters, and to survey the national waters of member states subject to authorization by the member state's relevant marine authority.

I would remove 3 entirely. Setting aside the issue of members supplying staff to what is technically a committee there's already a general fund to take care of all that.
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Postby Blyskalia » Thu May 09, 2019 12:47 pm

Aclion wrote:
Blyskalia wrote:(Edit: I dont think the resolution falls into the problem of being optional, as the previous Resolution, Law of the Seas, already allows Member Nations the exclusive right to their oceanic territories, it is a logical consequence Member Nations could enforce this sovereignty my restricting my WAOSA. I included this ability to refuse WAOSA as a way to avoid contradicting the prior resolution, I would appreciate all advice, opinions and perspectives though)

It still reads as optional, but, as you have other mandates it could be written not to. Something like:
The WAOSA is instructed to survey all international and ungoverned waters, and to survey the national waters of member states subject to authorization by the member state's relevant marine authority.

I would remove 3 entirely. Setting aside the issue of members supplying staff to what is technically a committee there's already a general fund to take care of all that.

I really loved that suggestion, and that phrasing was nearly perfect, so I really appreciate your help in fixing this
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Postby The New Nordic Union » Thu May 09, 2019 3:32 pm

OOC: Why did you submit this so early on? Drafting is a long process and submission not to be rushed.
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Postby Ransium » Thu May 09, 2019 4:02 pm

Why would you submit this so quickly?

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Postby Blyskalia » Thu May 09, 2019 4:48 pm

Ransium wrote:Why would you submit this so quickly?

I am very new to this whole process, I had no idea, I was under the impression the major issues were fixed, I probably overshot it
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Postby Ransium » Thu May 09, 2019 5:10 pm

Blyskalia wrote:
Ransium wrote:Why would you submit this so quickly?

I am very new to this whole process, I had no idea, I was under the impression the major issues were fixed, I probably overshot it


Probably. If you count drafting on my regions forums I drafted my recent proposals for close to 3 months. You could certainly bring that down to a few weeks, but many people never got a chance to even read the proposal. Unforeseen loopholes and minor details often bring down proposals.

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OOC: How the hell is this "Education and Creativity - Educational"? I don't see anything that raises spending in education.

Also, you create the WAOSA twice for some strange reason.
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Postby Kenmoria » Thu May 09, 2019 11:40 pm

Blyskalia wrote:
Ransium wrote:Why would you submit this so quickly?

I am very new to this whole process, I had no idea, I was under the impression the major issues were fixed, I probably overshot it

(OOC: Most proposals are drafted for months, a few for weeks but a few for years. This proposal wasn’t ready to be submitted, as it has some legislative issues as well as some odd grammar in places. The drafting process should be viewed as a marathon, not a sprint.)
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Postby East Meranopirus » Fri May 10, 2019 3:11 am

Araraukar wrote:OOC: How the hell is this "Education and Creativity - Educational"? I don't see anything that raises spending in education.

Also, you create the WAOSA twice for some strange reason.

To the author (Blyskalia): you should put the last clause first for it to make sense. At this point, it still looks like a committee-only proposal to me. Maybe add something like "Mandates all nations to make public any existing maps, charts and geological data relating to the ocean floor".

As for the category, it doesn't seem like it fits in Education, though looking through the categories it seems hard to find one that fits.

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I agree about the illegality for both Category (because nothing here, not even participating member nations providing the agency with maps [etc], does anything to improve education within the member nations... especially as those nations are explicitly allowed to keep the information secret) and Optionality.

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The prospect for international research cooperation in marine studies is very exciting. We can't add an approval to this due to the lack of a Tusdetan regional delegate, but the Protectorate of Vlender looks forward to at some future time voting on this proposal or a subsequent draft of this proposal.
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Postby Blyskalia » Fri May 10, 2019 5:40 am

Bears Armed wrote:OOC
I agree about the illegality for both Category (because nothing here, not even participating member nations providing the agency with maps [etc], does anything to improve education within the member nations... especially as those nations are explicitly allowed to keep the information secret) and Optionality.

Approvals so far, for future reference in case you want to target those same delegates when seeking approvals for a later draft: 75 (Pingu Armada, Boku no Pica, Dragons of Power, Zighineborp, Golanchia, United Massachusetts, Dictoriahon, New Legland, Palsada, Calotvia, United Western State, Of Higher Razaria, NationState Pie, Blanjiland, Azlaake, Hypron, Thomhinderans, Irwinstan, North Rukonia, New Western Arrakis, Inven, Albiorix, Grandmother Is Arriving With the Cheese, Fyrewynd, Tundranistan, Boom County, Gonadez, Croatian Istria, New Luciannova, Howfalcistan, North Newlandishforth, The Kyivan Rus, Sougra, The Tomerlands, Kordesia, Diplomatic Territories, Greater Icaria, New Prussian Republic, Unresolved Anarchy, Corrocium, Perisno, Libertars, Bietzopolis, Alaskan Land, Otaku Stratus, New Nationale Einheit, Conserva, Blueztopia, Wagoll, Eastern Tatarstan, Austrovik-Germania, Neko Britain, Greater Serbian Provinces, Dolayssfina Muhat, The society of jimmyhamland, Footscray, Viss Trupe, Sockoa, Zakahus, Soviet republic of Russland, Vrolondia, Numeniora, New Isradia, Coryanhafflaruda, URCD, Paquador, Cokania, Rughzhenhaide, Aynia Moreaux, Bappo State, Vukastan, Oxes Republic, Hyper12Land, Syndicalist Unions of Terron, The Dylanese)


I really appreciate all the really good and detailed explanation, I had figured (wrongly) that an effort to jointly survey the seabed would be considered educationally valuable or useful in prompting development in our understanding of our seabed which could be seen as educational. I dont really know what category it would otherwise fit in. This forum is so helpful, and I am thankful that there is a strong group of eager individuals ready to help, I do hopefully plan to take more time with a 2nd draft of this and resubmit it after it is closely picked through
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Postby Blyskalia » Fri May 10, 2019 5:55 am

I'm really stuck on determining the proper category to use for this resolution. I dont know if it's possible to make edits to the resolution in order to adhere to the educational category.

How should I work on eliminating the optionality issues?
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Postby Ransium » Fri May 10, 2019 9:12 am

No promises but I will try to give full comments this weekend.

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