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Free association and the inevitability of Communism

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Free association

Racist private interests
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38%
“Regulated” racist private interests (social democracy or fascism)
16
24%
Worker’s management, worker’s association and worker’s democracy
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38%
 
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Socialist Workers Combine
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Free association and the inevitability of Communism

Postby Socialist Workers Combine » Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:53 am

You ever listen to people debate discrimination to the effect that we can’t refuse a sale to Nazi Germany if we can’t deny black people service (for no reason)? Because “principles”. There’s a disease called idealism, particularly of the more bourgeoisie kind, and they have it. You take made-up principles to the nth level instead of using discretion (if not materialism/empiricism) and end up standing up for racism. “Free association” becomes “I will stand up for racism and the white supremacy of your private colonial fiefdom.” That’s dialectics - you go too far it becomes it’s opposite.

Dubious to begin with - no one suggests obvious harmful criminals should associate, but apparently it’s one too far to suggests the somehow less obvious KKK not associate. And I don’t oppose association - I want worker’s democracy. Stand up for proletarian rights and association - not racist private interest.

Private interest usually opposes proletarian association, such as unions, and in Brazil often won’t work with worker-managed factories out of principle (until it is too large). They subvert democracy for money, oppose a minimum wage raise, support wars and attack minorities (Chick fil a). So why do you support one over another, especially for you who the plantation owners are not your class? Remember, the USSR subverted worker’s democracy too, it is not the same thing.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:55 am

Because all private interests are racist. :roll:

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Postby Socialist Workers Combine » Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:58 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Because all private interests are racist. :roll:

Social democracies are still anti-immigrant so....
(not that we shouldn’t background check or educate migrants)

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Postby The South Falls » Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:59 am

Private interest can be turned to the common good. Forced government intervention is just a compendium of private interests.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:01 am

Socialist Workers Combine wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Because all private interests are racist. :roll:

Social democracies are still anti-immigrant so....
(not that we shouldn’t background check or educate migrants)

Yea, places like Sweden imposed restrictions because they can't take in every refugee. Europe ain't everyone else's servants.

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Postby Socialist Workers Combine » Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:16 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Europe ain't everyone else's servants.

No, Europe is everyone else’s colonial thief instead of fraternal brother, and bombed Libya to smithereens possibly because it had oil, thank you for pointing that out.
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Postby Socialist Workers Combine » Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:19 am

The South Falls wrote:Private interest can be turned to the common good.

If you define higher quality subjugation as good

The South Falls wrote:Forced government intervention is just a compendium of private interests.

Yes, I know.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:46 am

Tragedy of the Commons.

Communism doesn't work and isn't inevitable.
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Postby Socialist Workers Combine » Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:55 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:Tragedy of the Commons.

Communism doesn't work and isn't inevitable.

The commons didn’t work?

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Postby The South Falls » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:04 am

Socialist Workers Combine wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:Tragedy of the Commons.

Communism doesn't work and isn't inevitable.

The commons didn’t work?

Communism doesn't.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:09 am

The South Falls wrote:
Socialist Workers Combine wrote:The commons didn’t work?

Communism doesn't.

This ^^

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Postby Kowani » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:12 am

I’m getting real tired of these “inevitability of communism” threads
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:17 am

Kowani wrote:I’m getting real tired of these “inevitability of communism” threads


Inevitably this will lead you into becoming a communist.
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Postby Socialist Workers Combine » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:34 am

The South Falls wrote:
Socialist Workers Combine wrote:The commons didn’t work?

Communism doesn't.

If by Communism you mean the bureaucratic USSR, it failed after about 80 years.
Though that’s not the meaning of the term. But I asked about the commons.

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Postby Socialist Workers Combine » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:35 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Kowani wrote:I’m getting real tired of these “inevitability of communism” threads


Inevitably this will lead you into becoming a communist.

You are feeling very sleepy and not at all capitalist.

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Postby Andsed » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:36 am

Kowani wrote:I’m getting real tired of these “inevitability of communism” threads

Agreed. They are just starting to feel repetitive.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:39 am

Socialist Workers Combine wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Europe ain't everyone else's servants.

No, Europe is everyone else’s colonial thief instead of fraternal brother, and bombed Libya to smithereens possibly because it had oil, thank you for pointing that out.

At this rate of discourse, if a war with North Korea starts, people will be saying that it's because there are gas stations in NK.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:41 am

Socialist Workers Combine wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Inevitably this will lead you into becoming a communist.

You are feeling very sleepy and not at all capitalist.

Capitalism FTW!
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Postby Socialist Workers Combine » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:43 am

Andsed wrote:
Kowani wrote:I’m getting real tired of these “inevitability of communism” threads

Agreed. They are just starting to feel repetitive.

They’re all different, I just keep the title the same for your viewing pleasure.

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Postby Socialist Workers Combine » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:43 am

Petrolheadia wrote:Capitalism FTW!

Thank you, that was very informative.

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Postby Kowani » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:45 am

Socialist Workers Combine wrote:
Andsed wrote:Agreed. They are just starting to feel repetitive.

They’re all different, I just keep the title the same for your viewing pleasure.

Not nearly as much as you seem to think they are.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:46 am

Socialist Workers Combine wrote:
Andsed wrote:Agreed. They are just starting to feel repetitive.

They’re all different, I just keep the title the same for your viewing pleasure.

I'm feeling like making 20 threads about why the Corvette is the supreme sports car.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:46 am

This is an unbiased and reasonable op
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Postby Kowani » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:47 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:This is an unbiased and reasonable op

When has NSG ever made those?
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Atheist and still proud of it. Technophile to the extreme.
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Rights are functionally just privileges society has deemed important.
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Your entire religion is based on the idea that this isn't true.

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Postby Socialist Workers Combine » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:47 am

Kowani wrote:Not nearly as much as you seem to think they are.

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