New Mexico militia's detaining migrants.

[Novus America]

Militia are part time. Police are full time professionals.

Part time volunteer auxiliary police are basically militia, but are organized and regulated.

Militia have a place, I am not against militia in per se.

But anyway wannabes claiming to be militia are not the same as a properly organized and regulated militia.

The people in question here are the former.

Debatable. We really don't have a ton of information on their organization and regulatiin.

We certainly know they are not associated nor endorsed by the state government.
That some members have criminal records.

They certainly have no official, nor even semi official status.

[Gormwood]

Debatable. We really don't have a ton of information on their organization and regulatiin.

We certainly know they are not associated nor endorsed by the state government.
That some members have criminal records.

They certainly have no official, nor even semi official status.

Even lynch mobs at least had implied government sanction unlike this sorry lot.

[Elwher]

Debatable. We really don't have a ton of information on their organization and regulatiin.

We certainly know they are not associated nor endorsed by the state government.
That some members have criminal records.

They certainly have no official, nor even semi official status.

And the police forces, which are associated and endorsed by the government, have such a stellar record of never shooting minorities. Less people have been shot by the militia, which is simply detaining them, overall than have been shot by the Chicago police last year.

[Vassenor]

We certainly know they are not associated nor endorsed by the state government.
That some members have criminal records.

They certainly have no official, nor even semi official status.

And the police forces, which are associated and endorsed by the government, have such a stellar record of never shooting minorities. Less people have been shot by the militia, which is simply detaining them, overall than have been shot by the Chicago police last year.

You do realise that goes way beyond apples to oranges, right?

And it still doesn't make these acts of kidnapping OK.

[Elwher]

And the police forces, which are associated and endorsed by the government, have such a stellar record of never shooting minorities. Less people have been shot by the militia, which is simply detaining them, overall than have been shot by the Chicago police last year.

You do realise that goes way beyond apples to oranges, right?

And it still doesn't make these acts of kidnapping OK.

First, they are illegal detention at worst, they do not meet the legal definition of kidnapping.

Second, it is not apples to oranges. Some here are claiming that the police, because they are affiliated with the government, are more trustworthy than the militias. I am offering a counter to that argument. Police forces have been killing suspects at a greater rate than militias, making them, in my opinion, less accountable.

[Vassenor]

You do realise that goes way beyond apples to oranges, right?

And it still doesn't make these acts of kidnapping OK.

First, they are illegal detention at worst, they do not meet the legal definition of kidnapping.

Second, it is not apples to oranges. Some here are claiming that the police, because they are affiliated with the government, are more trustworthy than the militias. I am offering a counter to that argument. Police forces have been killing suspects at a greater rate than militias, making them, in my opinion, less accountable.

So what's your dataset for the number of killings of migrants by militias?

[Elwher]

First, they are illegal detention at worst, they do not meet the legal definition of kidnapping.

Second, it is not apples to oranges. Some here are claiming that the police, because they are affiliated with the government, are more trustworthy than the militias. I am offering a counter to that argument. Police forces have been killing suspects at a greater rate than militias, making them, in my opinion, less accountable.

So what's your dataset for the number of killings of migrants by militias?

Purely negative data, as I have not read of any cases of that while I read of many cases of police killing suspects. If you have data to disprove my claim, I will revise it based on new information.

[Vassenor]

So what's your dataset for the number of killings of migrants by militias?

Purely negative data, as I have not read of any cases of that while I read of many cases of police killing suspects. If you have data to disprove my claim, I will revise it based on new information.

So we're juggling the burden of proof?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Purely negative data, as I have not read of any cases of that while I read of many cases of police killing suspects. If you have data to disprove my claim, I will revise it based on new information.

So we're juggling the burden of proof?

The media doesn't like militias which detain migrants, does it?
So why haven't they been able to come up with actual wrong things they've done?

[Elwher]

Purely negative data, as I have not read of any cases of that while I read of many cases of police killing suspects. If you have data to disprove my claim, I will revise it based on new information.

So we're juggling the burden of proof?

Not really. My claim is that, based on media reports, militias kill their suspected criminals at a lower rate than police forces. I am open to having my claim disproved by any evidence to the contrary.

[US-SSR]

Well, yes, but that's beside the point. The salient point here is none of his buddies, or him, are being charged with any form of kidnapping, detaining, unlawful imprisonment, impersonating officer, sort of stuff. So it would seem that what they're doing doesnt constitute a crime.

Because it isn't a crime, no matter how much leftists want to scream it is

I mean, we are talking about people who think open borders is okay and endorse sanctuary cities, of course they are going to call the Militia criminals.

30-4-3. False imprisonment.
False imprisonment consists of intentionally confining or restraining another person without his consent and with knowledge that he has no lawful authority to do so.
Whoever commits false imprisonment is guilty of a fourth degree felony.

(New Mexico Criminal Code)

[Telconi]

Debatable. We really don't have a ton of information on their organization and regulatiin.

We certainly know they are not associated nor endorsed by the state government.
That some members have criminal records.

They certainly have no official, nor even semi official status.

Official status, or government endorsement isn't necesssry for organization and regulation.

Purely negative data, as I have not read of any cases of that while I read of many cases of police killing suspects. If you have data to disprove my claim, I will revise it based on new information.

So we're juggling the burden of proof?

Proof of positive innocence is a rediculous demand.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

That depends if the militias are actually being allowed to act with impunity or if they're simply apprehending a criminal.

If we remove the police force and replace it with militias, the only people preventing militias from acting with impunity will be other militias.

The San Francisco Committee of Vigilance cleaned up the town quite well in the 1850's, did it not?

99% =/= 100%. Virtual certainty is not absolute certainty, and there's nothing preventing militias from doing good and acting with honor, especially if the relevant authorities are corrupt and/or tyrannical. The issue is that there's also nothing making them do good and act with honor, and they'll probably loot, rape, and murder their way through the countryside if nobody can or will stop them. Police forces were created because the old system of militias tenuously connected to the ideals of law and order tended to uphold neither unless someone else forced them to. Same reason why mercenaries were largely replaced with professional armies as soon as the switch became viable.

So you're suggesting the UCP was going to try raping a speeding train and burn down their own homes if the Governor opted to let them continue?

Problems like that arise when the militias become a "movement" and begin migrating illegally under force of arms to the capitol.

Otherwise mall security would be setting fire to shopping malls and molotoving illegally parked cars left and right.

Even power-tripping wannabees are mostly harmless even when out the the most extreme knee-jerk reaction.
-Or were they secretly planning on looting/raping the marine recruiters inside?