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Postby Aureumterra » Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:03 am

Recently, a dispatch has been getting a lot of upvotes, which caught my eye
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1197112
Rughzhenhaide wrote:Left-wing bias
NationStates, along with most media right now is suffering from overwhelming left-wing bias. Libertarian views are called far-right because the left is so ridiculously off the scale. The World Assembly votes down every General Assembly proposal made by a non-left member. We all know this is true. Just look at the passed resolutions. The Assembly is looking to, by force, turn dissidents into their own by passing badly designed, lackluster proposals full of loopholes. The best example of this is Imperium Anglorum’s resolution #454, consisting of a single sentence. (page=WA_past_resolution/id=454/council=1)
Why was it even passed in the first place? Voting blocks, about which I will speak in another point. Another good example of this is Antifa, an IRL terrorist organization that focuses on striking people they deem as fascists, that is, people who disagree with them. What is funny is that some people consider them to be a positive force. Antifa is a far left anarcho-communist violent terror group, and their NS counterpart is not any better.

So NSG, do you think NS has a left wing bias?

If you’ve seen me on NSG, my opinion on this may surprise you, but I DON’T think NS has a left wing bias. Yes, you read that right, you’re not going blind. I, Aureumterra, the “fascist xenophobic conservative christian white guy” DOES NOT think NS has a left wing bias, here’s why: Rughzhenhaide does make some fair points when he talks about the WA, but he then counters his own point by blaming it on voting blocks. While the powerful voting blocks he’s talking about have a left wing bias, I think NS itself is pretty balanced. I’ll also expand the argument to the forum itself, because I’ve seen quite a few people offsite saying the mods censor right wing views and whatnot. They don’t. I’m pretty critical of certain mods on NS offsite, but one thing that is relatively consistent with all of our mods is they never censor people on politics. It’s hard to do, and I applaud the mods for doing so. There are certain online forums out there that completely fail at this, I think we all know which ones I’m referring to, but NS is, in my opinion, in good hands (for now…)
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Postby Cerinda » Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:05 am

Most people I see here are right-wing. So no.
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Postby Unconquered Frontier » Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:06 am

Not sure about the forums as I don't visit here much.

The game itself has a 'worst case scenario' bias.

Which is funny. But I can see how people doing it to create a utopia (left wing, right wing, centrist, whatever) would think it was biased against their own ideology.

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Postby Valrifell » Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:18 am

No

NSG maybe but the more outside you get the more right-wing the boards get. They just don't talk about it on-site. I mean, isn't the fact that the dispatch complaining about bias got upvoted so much evidence its own premise is at least a smidge bunk?
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Postby Liriena » Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:20 am

I'd actually argue the exact opposite: NS has a right-wing bias, as seen by how vastly overrepresented right-wing (and specially far right) opinions tend to be whenever there's an NSG poll (and specially during elections).
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Postby Liriena » Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:24 am

Aureumterra, the “fascist xenophobic conservative christian white guy”


It's funny because nobody has ever called you all those things at once. And you missed the customary "cishet".
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Postby Medwind » Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:24 am

I think so, the WA is obviously left wing, crushing most right wing proposals out the gate, the mods are mostly leftists, I've only seen them ban right-wingers, and never seen them give adverse reaction to leftist trolls, although, I might not have been paying attention, and am slightly biased. The majority of the site is left wing, etc. etc. see original dispatch, overall, I'd say yes, although not to a huge extent or anything. Why no poll?

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Postby Aureumterra » Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:25 am

Valrifell wrote:No

NSG maybe but the more outside you get the more right-wing the boards get. They just don't talk about it on-site. I mean, isn't the fact that the dispatch complaining about bias got upvoted so much evidence its own premise is at least a smidge bunk?

NS actually has some of the most political diversity as compared to any other online forum I’ve seen
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Postby Liriena » Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:26 am

Medwind wrote:I've only seen them ban right-wingers, and never seen them give adverse reaction to leftist trolls

My ban history says otherwise.
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Postby Medwind » Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:26 am

Liriena wrote:I'd actually argue the exact opposite: NS has a right-wing bias, as seen by how vastly overrepresented right-wing (and specially far right) opinions tend to be whenever there's an NSG poll (and specially during elections).

Not really, mostly leftist beliefs dominate the majority of polls I've seen, and regions I've been in have either been leftist or center left leaning. It may seem like there are more right wingers due to some of them being slightly more active, but in reality, I think you have confirmation bias.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:26 am

Depends on how you define left wing really, if you think that libertarian capitalists are included in right right then no as we have a shit ton of those.
We also have plenty of monarchists, fascists, and theocrats here.
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:28 am

>Most media right now is overwhemingly left-wing
>The media is indicating the disruption that ER is causing rather than their points.
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Postby Nazeroth » Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:28 am

been here since 07(actually turned me into a marxist for awhile)

answer? It's left-wing but not extremley, I will however say that the Moderators absolutely shield leftists on this site.

They will defend leftists and then go " You can't use this situation in the reverse, that's actionable" utter bullshit.
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Postby Aureumterra » Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:28 am

Medwind wrote:I think so, the WA is obviously left wing, crushing most right wing proposals out the gate, the mods are mostly leftists, I've only seen them ban right-wingers, and never seen them give adverse reaction to leftist trolls

Happens a lot, most of the mods treat all nations, at least from what I’ve observed, the same when ruling
If you go to places like r/politics or forums like resetera, you’ll see people getting banned for saying “Trump isn’t that bad”
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Postby Mettaton-EX » Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:31 am

Medwind wrote:
Liriena wrote:I'd actually argue the exact opposite: NS has a right-wing bias, as seen by how vastly overrepresented right-wing (and specially far right) opinions tend to be whenever there's an NSG poll (and specially during elections).

Not really, mostly leftist beliefs dominate the majority of polls I've seen, and regions I've been in have either been leftist or center left leaning. It may seem like there are more right wingers due to some of them being slightly more active, but in reality, I think you have confirmation bias.

right-wingers are substantially more likely to violate rules against bigotry etc
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Postby Nazeroth » Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:31 am

Aureumterra wrote:
Medwind wrote:I think so, the WA is obviously left wing, crushing most right wing proposals out the gate, the mods are mostly leftists, I've only seen them ban right-wingers, and never seen them give adverse reaction to leftist trolls

Happens a lot, most of the mods treat all nations, at least from what I’ve observed, the same when ruling
If you go to places like r/politics or forums like resetera, you’ll see people getting banned for saying “Trump isn’t that bad”



Absolutley not

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Postby Skyhooked » Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:31 am

I doubt it has left wing bias. I've seen lots of right wingers here of different sorts. From moderate conservatives and libertarian capitalists to those with fascist or even neo-nazi views. But I've also seen some leftist folks and centrists too.

Yet, I think, that there are not too many libertarian center-left folks like me.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:32 am

No i dont think it does personally. Ive seen a lot of rightwingers on here and rightwing view points appear quite frequently.

Medwind wrote:I think so, the WA is obviously left wing, crushing most right wing proposals out the gate, the mods are mostly leftists, I've only seen them ban right-wingers, and never seen them give adverse reaction to leftist trolls, although, I might not have been paying attention, and am slightly biased. The majority of the site is left wing, etc. etc. see original dispatch, overall, I'd say yes, although not to a huge extent or anything. Why no poll?

Ive been banned before and warned more than a few times so not really.
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Postby Nazeroth » Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:32 am

Mettaton-EX wrote:
Medwind wrote:Not really, mostly leftist beliefs dominate the majority of polls I've seen, and regions I've been in have either been leftist or center left leaning. It may seem like there are more right wingers due to some of them being slightly more active, but in reality, I think you have confirmation bias.

right-wingers are substantially more likely to violate rules against bigotry etc


^

Literally leftist propaganda

"Well there bigots so hur hur"

typical
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Postby Platypus Bureaucracy » Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:33 am

I don't know. Ask one of the resident fascists.
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Postby Caracasus » Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:33 am

Nah. Unsurprisingly the site is skewed towards the sorts of values found in liberal democracies, which you'd expect given the vast majority of users come from liberal democracies. That's not indicative of left wing bias though by any stretch.

NS staffers broadly fall all over the political spectrums honestly.
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Postby Liriena » Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:35 am

Nazeroth wrote:
Mettaton-EX wrote:right-wingers are substantially more likely to violate rules against bigotry etc


^

Literally leftist propaganda

"Well there bigots so hur hur"

typical

It makes sense, though. For example, how likely are most left-wing NSers, even if they are shitposting, to call another user a "faggot", or the "n-word", or the "t-word"? To call LGBT+ posters mentally ill or demean female users or say something anti-semitic?
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:36 am

Skyhooked wrote:I doubt it has left wing bias. I've seen lots of right wingers here of different sorts. From moderate conservatives and libertarian capitalists to those with fascist or even neo-nazi views. But I've also seen some leftist folks and centrists too.

Yet, I think, that there are not too many libertarian center-left folks like me.

Ancoms and ansynds such as myself aren't all that uncommon though. Are you a mutualist or what? What is your ideology? I'm going to guess one of three things:

1. Mutualism
2. Anarcho-Egoism (Stirner style, not "BURN DOWN EVERYTHING HURR DURR")
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Postby Nazeroth » Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:37 am

Liriena wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
^

Literally leftist propaganda

"Well there bigots so hur hur"

typical

It makes sense, though. For example, how likely are most left-wing NSers, even if they are shitposting, to call another user a "faggot", or the "n-word", or the "t-word"? To call LGBT+ posters mentally ill or demean female users or say something anti-semitic?


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Postby North Arkana » Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:37 am

Nazeroth wrote:
Mettaton-EX wrote:right-wingers are substantially more likely to violate rules against bigotry etc


^

Literally leftist propaganda

"Well there bigots so hur hur"

typical

Well, all right wingers aren't racist or bigots, but for some reason the political right has been the primary breeding ground of racism and bigotry.

As they say, "You may not believe you're racist, but it's worth wondering why the racists seem to like you."
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