TDT 4: What the $#@! is a "womxn", anyways?

[National Capitalist United States]

I think the only "good" argument against latinx, Is that only 3% of US hispanics use it, and only 23% have heard of the term

Also US hispanics prefer, well, hispanic as a pan-ethnic term

[Kowani]

I think the only "good" argument against latinx, Is that only 3% of US hispanics use it, and only 23% have heard of the term

Also US hispanics prefer, well, hispanic as a pan-ethnic term

see this
this is actually a very good point
in regards to hispanics, it's not an organic word at all, and the community has their own terms they prefer

[Kowani]

Arkansas lawmakers advance measures banning transgender athletes from girls' sports teams at school and prohibiting gender confirming treatments for minors

The majority-Republican Senate approved the athletics ban on a 28-7 vote, while the majority GOP House approved the treatment ban on a 70-22 vote. Both bills need approval from the other chamber before heading to Republican Gov. Asa Hutchinson, who said he was still reviewing the measures.


The House-backed bill would prohibit doctors from providing gender confirming hormone treatment or surgery to minors, or from referring them to other providers for treatment. Supporters of the bill, however, acknowledge gender confirmation surgeries aren't performed on minors in the state.

The bill's sponsor portrayed the ban as a way to protect youth from making life-altering changes they're not prepared for and compared the restriction to the state prohibiting minors from smoking or going to a casino. The Senate-backed measure would prohibit transgender women and girls from playing sports consistent with their gender identity.

[The Marlborough]

Who needs CNN for breaking news when we have Kowani?

[Fahran]

The irony of the last post.

Anglosplaining is real.

Ko and I have debated Latinx before, and I do think there are some serious problems with it as a solution to the gender issue. I personally find pronouncing the x (here meaning the name of the letter) a bit clunky as I expressed before. Some of that might be the fact that I'm much more proficient in English than Spanish. Some of that might be the fact that the term Latinx is not commonly used outside of Spain and Puerto Rico. It actually originated among bilingual Puerto Ricans, as far as I'm aware, before being picked up by bilinigual academics and the Spanish-speaking LGBT+ community, especially non-binary people. The lack of use may have a bit to do with social norms being a touch regressive in a lot of Latin America especially when compared to the US, Puerto Rico, or Spain. As an example, Argentina is the one country in Latin America where the majority of people think same-sex marriage should be legal.

Source

Latine or Latin@ strikes me as a little bit easier to pronounce and a bit more in keeping with the existing conventions of the language, but it might well introduce different problems and create confusion as well.

But, yeah, NVA, doesn't really have a leg to stand on in this argument given that Ko is a native speaker of Spanish who is more familiar with the language and has done research on this topic at least once in the past. Even if his dialect scares me.

[Necroghastia]

Arkansas lawmakers advance measures banning transgender athletes from girls' sports teams at school and prohibiting gender confirming treatments for minors

The majority-Republican Senate approved the athletics ban on a 28-7 vote, while the majority GOP House approved the treatment ban on a 70-22 vote. Both bills need approval from the other chamber before heading to Republican Gov. Asa Hutchinson, who said he was still reviewing the measures.


The House-backed bill would prohibit doctors from providing gender confirming hormone treatment or surgery to minors, or from referring them to other providers for treatment. Supporters of the bill, however, acknowledge gender confirmation surgeries aren't performed on minors in the state.

The bill's sponsor portrayed the ban as a way to protect youth from making life-altering changes they're not prepared for and compared the restriction to the state prohibiting minors from smoking or going to a casino. The Senate-backed measure would prohibit transgender women and girls from playing sports consistent with their gender identity.

Uh... wrong link, I think.

[Fahran]

Arkansas lawmakers advance measures banning transgender athletes from girls' sports teams at school and prohibiting gender confirming treatments for minors

The majority-Republican Senate approved the athletics ban on a 28-7 vote, while the majority GOP House approved the treatment ban on a 70-22 vote. Both bills need approval from the other chamber before heading to Republican Gov. Asa Hutchinson, who said he was still reviewing the measures.


The House-backed bill would prohibit doctors from providing gender confirming hormone treatment or surgery to minors, or from referring them to other providers for treatment. Supporters of the bill, however, acknowledge gender confirmation surgeries aren't performed on minors in the state.

The bill's sponsor portrayed the ban as a way to protect youth from making life-altering changes they're not prepared for and compared the restriction to the state prohibiting minors from smoking or going to a casino. The Senate-backed measure would prohibit transgender women and girls from playing sports consistent with their gender identity.

Uh... wrong link, I think.

I'm so glad someone else pointed this out.

[Kowani]

Anglosplaining is real.

Ko and I have debated Latinx before, and I do think there are some serious problems with it as a solution to the gender issue. I personally find pronouncing the x (here meaning the name of the letter) a bit clunky as I expressed before. Some of that might be the fact that I'm much more proficient in English than Spanish. Some of that might be the fact that the term Latinx is not commonly used outside of Spain and Puerto Rico. It actually originated among bilingual Puerto Ricans, as far as I'm aware, before being picked up by bilinigual academics and the Spanish-speaking LGBT+ community, especially non-binary people. The lack of use may have a bit to do with social norms being a touch regressive in a lot of Latin America especially when compared to the US, Puerto Rico, or Spain. As an example, Argentina is the one country in Latin America where the majority of people think same-sex marriage should be legal.

Source

Latine or Latin@ strikes me as a little bit easier to pronounce and a bit more in keeping with the existing conventions of the language, but it might well introduce different problems and create confusion as well.

But, yeah, NVA, doesn't really have a leg to stand on in this argument given that Ko is a native speaker of Spanish who is more familiar with the language and has done research on this topic at least once in the past. Even if his dialect scares me.

i would feel attacked but granadan scares literally everyone who isn't used to it
si no eta acostumbrao al malafollao, te acojona

Who needs CNN for break news when we have Kowani?

and without the spin and corporate propaganda!

[Kowani]

Arkansas lawmakers advance measures banning transgender athletes from girls' sports teams at school and prohibiting gender confirming treatments for minors

The majority-Republican Senate approved the athletics ban on a 28-7 vote, while the majority GOP House approved the treatment ban on a 70-22 vote. Both bills need approval from the other chamber before heading to Republican Gov. Asa Hutchinson, who said he was still reviewing the measures.


The House-backed bill would prohibit doctors from providing gender confirming hormone treatment or surgery to minors, or from referring them to other providers for treatment. Supporters of the bill, however, acknowledge gender confirmation surgeries aren't performed on minors in the state.

The bill's sponsor portrayed the ban as a way to protect youth from making life-altering changes they're not prepared for and compared the restriction to the state prohibiting minors from smoking or going to a casino. The Senate-backed measure would prohibit transgender women and girls from playing sports consistent with their gender identity.

Uh... wrong link, I think.

link has been edited
seems to be a running theme

[Holy Tedalonia]

Lgbt has nothing to do with polygamy. You can be a trans person and have a traditional family. Being lgbt isn't some anti society choice.

Well, yes. That was an important point of my argument against Gren, who does, in fact, support polyamory/polygamy.

Honestly who gives a damn anymore about what other people do, when it comes to marriage? Litterally people will continue to have "unhealthy" relationships legal or not. It's just whether or not you want our government to be a dick about it.

[Fahran]

Honestly who gives a damn anymore about what other people do, when it comes to marriage?

The state ostensibly, and, by extension, the rest of society.

Litterally people will continue to have "unhealthy" relationships legal or not. It's just whether or not you want our government to be a dick about it.

You can have an unhealthy relationship if you like, but the state has a vested interest in not granting relationships that will introduce pernicious social dysfunctions into society recognition or legal status. I don't want our government to drag polygamists out into the streets and flog them or anything insane like that. I just don't see a reason to recognize, normalize, or legitimize a cultural practice that doesn't have a good track record anywhere else in the world or at any other time in history. But we're in the TDT, not the polygamy thread, so we should probably stay on topic.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Honestly who gives a damn anymore about what other people do, when it comes to marriage?

The state ostensibly, and, by extension, the rest of society.

Litterally people will continue to have "unhealthy" relationships legal or not. It's just whether or not you want our government to be a dick about it.

You can have an unhealthy relationship if you like, but the state has a vested interest in not granting relationships that will introduce pernicious social dysfunctions into society recognition or legal status. I don't want our government to drag polygamists out into the streets and flog them or anything insane like that. I just don't see a reason to recognize, normalize, or legitimize a cultural practice that doesn't have a good track record anywhere else in the world or at any other time in history. But we're in the TDT, not the polygamy thread, so we should probably stay on topic.

I personally think a society is worse off trying doing that. By ignoring the issue entirely, and promoting a lack of acknowledgement it's prone to make people socially punishes those who decide to pursue polygamy. And if the wrong people come into power, an ostricized group can easily be a target. We don't want people, making another Missouri Executive Order 44. Just let people do what they want, is my cents when it comes to marriage. That or remove legal benefits from marriage.

Most people wouldnt care about government marriages if there weren't for the legal benefits that come with it.

[The Marlborough]

Marriage should be kept as between two people but people in non-married polyamorous relationships shouldn't be shit on by the state imo.

[Kowani]

Texas lawmakers consider potential bans on transgender medical care

The Texas Legislature is considering two bills related to transgender medical and healthcare that propose potential bans.

House Bill 1399 discourages doctors by prohibiting professional liability insurance from covering transition related care. While House Bill 68 proposes that any medical or mental health professional that performs transition related health care would be considered to be performing child abuse.

[National Capitalist United States]

Just noticed we're at 500 pages. We need a new thread

[Nakena]

Just noticed we're at 500 pages. We need a new thread

Done.

[Atheris]

I claim this thread for France!

[Galloism]

Anglosplaining is real.

Ko and I have debated Latinx before, and I do think there are some serious problems with it as a solution to the gender issue. I personally find pronouncing the x (here meaning the name of the letter) a bit clunky as I expressed before. Some of that might be the fact that I'm much more proficient in English than Spanish. Some of that might be the fact that the term Latinx is not commonly used outside of Spain and Puerto Rico. It actually originated among bilingual Puerto Ricans, as far as I'm aware, before being picked up by bilinigual academics and the Spanish-speaking LGBT+ community, especially non-binary people. The lack of use may have a bit to do with social norms being a touch regressive in a lot of Latin America especially when compared to the US, Puerto Rico, or Spain. As an example, Argentina is the one country in Latin America where the majority of people think same-sex marriage should be legal.

Source

Latine or Latin@ strikes me as a little bit easier to pronounce and a bit more in keeping with the existing conventions of the language, but it might well introduce different problems and create confusion as well.

But, yeah, NVA, doesn't really have a leg to stand on in this argument given that Ko is a native speaker of Spanish who is more familiar with the language and has done research on this topic at least once in the past. Even if his dialect scares me.

Personally, I have yet to meet any person of Latino descent use the term latinx or express any feeling for it besides annoyance, irritation, or utter contempt.

[National Capitalist United States]

Just noticed we're at 500 pages. We need a new thread

Done.

Thank you

[Alcala-Cordel]

I wonder when a mod will lock this thread.

[Drew Durrnil]

I claim this thread for France!

Nah, Britain's better.

[Soviet Progonya]

Also, not every trans person wants to dismantle society or whatever.

Maybe you don’t wanna dismantle society, but this tran does.

Good, we don't need that here.

So you think it’s cool to out kids to potentially abusive parents bc you don’t like them being trans?

I don't like the narrative that transsexuals like me want to have degenerate stuff because apparent trans = anti society to some people. Also, trans kids shouldn't be outed to their parents, because that can end really badly for them. I agree with Arcturus. Some of you don't realise that a) transsexuality is a medical condition that has scientific basis, b) it takes YEARS of psychological evaluation to be considered for treatment such as bottom/top surgery and testosterone, and c) no one is putting kids on hormones like t or e or giving them a surgical dick.

[The Archregimancy]

500 pages....

Fight amongst yourselves in Thunderdome for the right to start TDT 5.