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Who is your favorite fictional trans character?

Lily Hoshikawa (Zombie Land Saga)
12
20%
FL4K (Borderlands 3)
1
2%
Poison (Final Fight/Street Fighter)
10
17%
Birdo (SMB2)
5
8%
Vivian (Paper Mario: The 1000 Year Door)
9
15%
Frisk (Undertale)
4
7%
Alluka (Hunder x Hunter)
5
8%
Commander Hanji/Hange/Hans Zoe (Attack on Titan)
3
5%
Link/Linkle (Legend of Zelda) (fan theory)
10
17%
Taliyah (League of Legends)
0
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Postby Kowani » Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:51 am

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Stuff like this is why Warren is my favorite candidate.


She's better than most. I'm still waiting for the first serious candidate who proposes kicking the "free market" out of health care all together across the pond.

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Postby Cekoviu » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:53 am

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She's better than most. I'm still waiting for the first serious candidate who proposes kicking the "free market" out of health care all together across the pond.


Yeah, hate to say it, but the Democrats need a strong candidate, they don't have one yet.

Bernie Sanders now has to compete with 20 nobodies, none of whom stand out particularly, and he's sadly not long for the world.

Shit at this point I should run for President, I'd make quite the splash.

The party establishment and a lot of voters seem to think Joe Biden is that strong candidate. I think he would definitely win, but at the cost of some very important policies. His party platform is basically nostalgia (similar to some older Republicans with Reagan or the 1950s) for the Obama days.
I most agree with Bernie in terms of pure policy, and I love that he's charismatic and stays firm in his views, but he's so fucking old. I also think he kind of blew his chance in 2016, and he seems to have a lot of trouble appealing to black voters. I don't want black people to have to choose between an old man who's incompetent around black issues and an old buffoon who's deeply racist.
Elizabeth Warren seems like the best option to me. She's similar to Bernie, but a lot more calculating and restrained when she needs to be.
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:14 am

A really good article about Murray Hall, a transman AFAB who was a politician in New York in the 19th century, but born in Scotland: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-49291971
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:20 am

The New California Republic wrote:A really good article about Murray Hall, a transman AFAB who was a politician in New York in the 19th century, but born in Scotland: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-49291971


Very interesting, cheers. A good read.
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Postby Fascist Soyouso » Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:50 pm

The New California Republic wrote:A really good article about Murray Hall, a transman AFAB who was a politician in New York in the 19th century, but born in Scotland: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-49291971

Mr Lustbader, who lives near Murray Hall's former apartment, went to visit his unmarked grave at Mount Olivet Cemetery in Queens, New York, earlier this year.

According to the New York Times, Murray Hall was buried there in woman's clothing.

"When I was at the grave I had this little moment kind of envisioning him being buried there in women's clothing, much to his horror," said Mr Lustbader.

"I just felt I was sending a message to Murray Hall saying don't worry, people know your story and you are not being mocked any longer.

"You're being recognised for the contribution you've made and to your own personal struggle and what you've succeeded in doing - living as a man, as you so choose."
I'm glad he's getting the recognition he deserves. Beyond disrespectful how they decided to bury him, but given the time period it's not like people knew any better. :(
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Postby Servilis » Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:04 am

Terfs have been making a fuss about Trans children like me getting an underwear brand, like dude I just wanna wear underwear that helps me with my problems which involve the human genitalia, like stop calling the Trans adults "pedos" and Trans kids "groomed".

So, I can strike it down that Terfs have a bad eye.


I can also strike down that Terfs are just Femmies whom were indoctrinated by Transphobes without knowing.
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:07 am

Servilis wrote:Terfs have been making a fuss about Trans children like me getting an underwear brand, like dude I just wanna wear underwear that helps me with my problems which involve the human genitalia, like stop calling the Trans adults "pedos" and Trans kids "groomed".

So, I can strike it down that Terfs have a bad eye.


I can also strike down that Terfs are just Femmies whom were indoctrinated by Transphobes without knowing.

Oh no, they're not unwitting useful idiots. TERFs are the transphobes to indoctrinate people, and become full of hate for trans people of their own volition.
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Postby Nakena » Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:28 am

What flabbergasted me recently was when I did read that TERFs apparently believe that transwoman and queers etc have been engineered by an evil patriachate to penetrate, subvert and destroy feminist and female only spaces from within.

If this sounds a bit too crazy, I am not making this up.
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Postby Auzkhia » Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:17 pm

TERFs are upholding essentialism that pits men and women against each other as if they're separate, antagonistic beings that can never change, and sex stereotypes, and calling it feminism.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:45 pm

Auzkhia wrote:TERFs are upholding essentialism that pits men and women against each other as if they're separate, antagonistic beings that can never change, and sex stereotypes, and calling it feminism.

If that's not feminism, then a vast amount of self-proclaimed feminists, including all radical feminists, are not feminists.
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Postby Pacomia » Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:48 pm

When did they say Birdo was trans
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Postby Auzkhia » Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:54 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:TERFs are upholding essentialism that pits men and women against each other as if they're separate, antagonistic beings that can never change, and sex stereotypes, and calling it feminism.

If that's not feminism, then a vast amount of self-proclaimed feminists, including all radical feminists, are not feminists.

It's really a branch of that called radical cultural feminism. A cultural feminist is someone who believes that women and men both have innate essences and that patriarchy has devalued women's roles, and these roles are inherent to both men and women, as if they're fixed from birth. Obviously, trans people do not fit in this model of gender. It sounds quite similar to conservative Christian views on gender, minus the whole thing on free bleeding in St Peter's Basilica.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:08 pm

Pacomia wrote:When did they say Birdo was trans

All videosgame characters who are not explicitly cis are trans. Praise be to Hatsune Miku, whomst we stan invented videosgame.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:16 pm

Pacomia wrote:When did they say Birdo was trans

Back in Mario Bros 2 or 3, I think.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:40 pm

Cekoviu wrote:Oh no, they're not unwitting useful idiots. TERFs are the transphobes to indoctrinate people, and become full of hate for trans people of their own volition.


From my experience, most TERFs have toxic personalities to begin with, which is probably a major reason why they gravitate toward that direction in the first place. Germaine Greer has said some pretty shockingly sexist things about cis women as much as she has trans woman, for instance.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:44 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Oh no, they're not unwitting useful idiots. TERFs are the transphobes to indoctrinate people, and become full of hate for trans people of their own volition.


From my experience, most TERFs have toxic personalities to begin with, which is probably a major reason why they gravitate toward that direction in the first place. Germaine Greer has said some pretty shockingly sexist things about cis women as much as she has trans woman, for instance.


We women can be rather brutal and sexist to other women and often, we perpetuate gender roles and tear each other down.
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Postby Pacomia » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:45 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Pacomia wrote:When did they say Birdo was trans

All videosgame characters who are not explicitly cis are trans. Praise be to Hatsune Miku, whomst we stan invented videosgame.

In that case, Mario and Luigi are both trans.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:32 am

Auzkhia wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:If that's not feminism, then a vast amount of self-proclaimed feminists, including all radical feminists, are not feminists.

It's really a branch of that called radical cultural feminism. A cultural feminist is someone who believes that women and men both have innate essences and that patriarchy has devalued women's roles, and these roles are inherent to both men and women, as if they're fixed from birth. Obviously, trans people do not fit in this model of gender. It sounds quite similar to conservative Christian views on gender, minus the whole thing on free bleeding in St Peter's Basilica.

A huge amount of the most well known and influential feminists seem to be "cultural feminists" then.
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Postby Auzkhia » Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:04 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:It's really a branch of that called radical cultural feminism. A cultural feminist is someone who believes that women and men both have innate essences and that patriarchy has devalued women's roles, and these roles are inherent to both men and women, as if they're fixed from birth. Obviously, trans people do not fit in this model of gender. It sounds quite similar to conservative Christian views on gender, minus the whole thing on free bleeding in St Peter's Basilica.

A huge amount of the most well known and influential feminists seem to be "cultural feminists" then.

Those who are then, not liberal feminists, radical libertarian feminists, Marxist Feminists, Black Feminists, eco-feminists, and existential Feminists, to name a few, and certainly not Trans-feminists.
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Postby Cekoviu » Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:54 am

Pacomia wrote:When did they say Birdo was trans

Literally the game in which she was introduced. Her preferred name was Birdetta. Here is the original manual page (note the confusion between Birdo and Ostro; Ostro is actually a separate bird enemy in the game):
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She is misgendered throughout the manual.
In Japanese-exclusive game Captain Rainbow, she has a masculine voice and she is imprisoned for using the “wrong” (female) bathroom, presumably out of transphobia.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:57 am

... Well, I once again find myself finding comfort and security in the false-hope that is the closet.

Also when tf are scientists going to develop "Insta-Turn-Into-Your-Gender-Identity" Juice or some shit, I desperately yearn for it
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Postby Proctopeo » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:01 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Pacomia wrote:When did they say Birdo was trans

Literally the game in which she was introduced. Her preferred name was Birdetta.

Though do make note the difference between Birdo, the character, and Birdo, the species.
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Postby Cekoviu » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:03 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Literally the game in which she was introduced. Her preferred name was Birdetta.

Though do make note the difference between Birdo, the character, and Birdo, the species.

Yeah, there are multiple Birdos. Just the character (that is, the one who is Yoshi's girlfriend) is trans.
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Postby Cappuccina » Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:06 pm

Torrocca wrote:... Well, I once again find myself finding comfort and security in the false-hope that is the closet.

Also when tf are scientists going to develop "Insta-Turn-Into-Your-Gender-Identity" Juice or some shit, I desperately yearn for it

Why? What happened? :(
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Postby Nakena » Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:11 pm

Torrocca wrote:... Well, I once again find myself finding comfort and security in the false-hope that is the closet.

Also when tf are scientists going to develop "Insta-Turn-Into-Your-Gender-Identity" Juice or some shit, I desperately yearn for it


Oh my that doesnt sounds good. :hug:
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