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Who is your favorite fictional trans character?

Lily Hoshikawa (Zombie Land Saga)
11
19%
FL4K (Borderlands 3)
1
2%
Poison (Final Fight/Street Fighter)
10
17%
Birdo (SMB2)
5
9%
Vivian (Paper Mario: The 1000 Year Door)
9
16%
Frisk (Undertale)
4
7%
Alluka (Hunder x Hunter)
5
9%
Commander Hanji/Hange/Hans Zoe (Attack on Titan)
3
5%
Link/Linkle (Legend of Zelda) (fan theory)
10
17%
Taliyah (League of Legends)
0
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Total votes : 58

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Postby Hediacrana » Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:40 am

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Define "artificial."

Produced by humans, rather than natural processes. The whole of medicine is artificial intervention, either by directly physically manipulating the body or by artificially introducing compounds into the body, some of which may be naturally produced by other humans but not the patient to whom they are administered.

So to paraphrase Springfeal's line: daily reminder that people who would have died if not for medicine are artificially modified to resemble living humans.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:47 am

Kowani wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:What's the matter? Getting bored?

Apparently, they got “tired.”


Should have had some coffee to artifically modify themselves into resembling an awake person.
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:57 am

Hediacrana wrote:
Philjia wrote:Produced by humans, rather than natural processes. The whole of medicine is artificial intervention, either by directly physically manipulating the body or by artificially introducing compounds into the body, some of which may be naturally produced by other humans but not the patient to whom they are administered.

So to paraphrase Springfeal's line: daily reminder that people who would have died if not for medicine are artificially modified to resemble living humans.

Nice take.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:59 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Kowani wrote:Apparently, they got “tired.”


Should have had some coffee to artifically modify themselves into resembling an awake person.

You can modify yourself with caffeine all you want, but you can never truly stop being tired.
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Postby Cekoviu » Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:34 am

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Should have had some coffee to artifically modify themselves into resembling an awake person.

You can modify yourself with caffeine all you want, but you can never truly stop being tired.

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Postby Auzkhia » Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:26 am

Ifreann wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Should have had some coffee to artifically modify themselves into resembling an awake person.

You can modify yourself with caffeine all you want, but you can never truly stop being tired.

I'm an artificial worker, but will always be biologically sleepy. lol

It sounds ridiculous when you put it that way, reductio ad absurdum.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:29 am

Ifreann wrote:
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Should have had some coffee to artifically modify themselves into resembling an awake person.

You can modify yourself with caffeine all you want, but you can never truly stop being tired.


You can modify yourself by growing up all you want, but you'll never stop being anything more than a biological embryo masquerading as an artificial human being.
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:51 am

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Ifreann wrote:You can modify yourself with caffeine all you want, but you can never truly stop being tired.


You can modify yourself by growing up all you want, but you'll never stop being anything more than a biological embryo masquerading as an artificial human being.

Modify me ;)
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Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
You can modify yourself by growing up all you want, but you'll never stop being anything more than a biological embryo masquerading as an artificial human being.

Modify me ;)

I know this will make the thread angry at me again, but seriously, weird kink.
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Postby Cekoviu » Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:58 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:Modify me ;)

I know this will make the thread angry at me again, but seriously, weird kink.

I've heard of a fetish for prosthetic limbs, and there's probably also a cyborg one.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:59 am

Cekoviu wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I know this will make the thread angry at me again, but seriously, weird kink.

I've heard of a fetish for prosthetic limbs, and there's probably also a cyborg one.


One for amputees, one for little people. Body mods can be classified as fetish too.
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Postby Auzkhia » Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:22 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Ifreann wrote:You can modify yourself with caffeine all you want, but you can never truly stop being tired.


You can modify yourself by growing up all you want, but you'll never stop being anything more than a biological embryo masquerading as an artificial human being.

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Postby Hediacrana » Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:37 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:Modify me ;)

I know this will make the thread angry at me again, but seriously, weird kink.

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Postby Iciaros » Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:56 am

So I tried tucking when going out for the first time today, and one thing I've learnt about me is that my bio-information ejector is apparently really small. I can't really tell much of a difference, even in feeling, with a custom-fitted tuck. Is that normal? Or am I just lucky in a weird way? I can't imagine I'd be as happy about it if I was a guy. :P

On a side note, have any of y'all had to deal with people being confused when they see your listed sex on your ID/driving license/other identification, and it doesn't match with what you look like? I've been told that I look pretty much as any girl would look, which is great, but I don't usually like travelling or doing things where I have to show my passport or ID because it still says M on it.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:06 am

Iciaros wrote:So I tried tucking when going out for the first time today, and one thing I've learnt about me is that my bio-information ejector is apparently really small. I can't really tell much of a difference, even in feeling, with a custom-fitted tuck. Is that normal? Or am I just lucky in a weird way? I can't imagine I'd be as happy about it if I was a guy. :P

Tucking would be quite uncomfortable for me if I needed to do it. Actually, it'd probably cause quite a lot of pain. I think I would just need to wear very loose dresses instead, as walking around in constant pain wouldn't be practical.

Iciaros wrote:On a side note, have any of y'all had to deal with people being confused when they see your listed sex on your ID/driving license/other identification, and it doesn't match with what you look like? I've been told that I look pretty much as any girl would look, which is great, but I don't usually like travelling or doing things where I have to show my passport or ID because it still says M on it.

I imagine it's why most folk try to get their passport changed at the earliest they can, because of the inevitable hassle that it can cause at airports, as usually if border officers in any country see what looks like a discrepancy on a passport they will check if it's fake or not.
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Postby Iciaros » Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:11 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Iciaros wrote:On a side note, have any of y'all had to deal with people being confused when they see your listed sex on your ID/driving license/other identification, and it doesn't match with what you look like? I've been told that I look pretty much as any girl would look, which is great, but I don't usually like travelling or doing things where I have to show my passport or ID because it still says M on it.

I imagine it's why most folk try to get their passport changed at the earliest they can, because of the inevitable hassle that it can cause at airports, as usually if border officers in any country see what looks like a discrepancy on a passport they will check if it's fake or not.


Yeah, I figured :( Sadly I'm in one of those places where I need to get surgery before I can legally change it, which is fortunate in a way because at least it's changeable (which is more than I would expect out of my country, or other countries in the area). Still, that probably means I'm a ways off from actually leaving the country at some point.

For less formal stuff, though, I'm in this grey area where people (especially teachers) know my legal name, which is strongly gendered, and also my legal sex, so I can't really be myself in class. I'm not particularly fond of the idea of talking to them frankly, since the culture in this place isn't always the kindest. The few I've talked to have been supportive, but they're all from the more traditionally liberal faculty.
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Postby Auzkhia » Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:47 am

Iciaros wrote:So I tried tucking when going out for the first time today, and one thing I've learnt about me is that my bio-information ejector is apparently really small. I can't really tell much of a difference, even in feeling, with a custom-fitted tuck. Is that normal? Or am I just lucky in a weird way? I can't imagine I'd be as happy about it if I was a guy. :P

On a side note, have any of y'all had to deal with people being confused when they see your listed sex on your ID/driving license/other identification, and it doesn't match with what you look like? I've been told that I look pretty much as any girl would look, which is great, but I don't usually like travelling or doing things where I have to show my passport or ID because it still says M on it.

I personally don't do it, because I heard it hurts and I like my stuff down there.

My passport has yet to change, I'm doing it later, but my driver's license has F on it for sex, but also my deadname.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:39 am

Auzkhia wrote:
Iciaros wrote:So I tried tucking when going out for the first time today, and one thing I've learnt about me is that my bio-information ejector is apparently really small. I can't really tell much of a difference, even in feeling, with a custom-fitted tuck. Is that normal? Or am I just lucky in a weird way? I can't imagine I'd be as happy about it if I was a guy. :P

On a side note, have any of y'all had to deal with people being confused when they see your listed sex on your ID/driving license/other identification, and it doesn't match with what you look like? I've been told that I look pretty much as any girl would look, which is great, but I don't usually like travelling or doing things where I have to show my passport or ID because it still says M on it.

I personally don't do it, because I heard it hurts and I like my stuff down there.

My passport has yet to change, I'm doing it later, but my driver's license has F on it for sex, but also my deadname.

It doesn't really if you do it correctly and wear the right clothes. It's also pretty much crucial for passing.
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Postby Hediacrana » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:48 pm

From Out:

Elizabeth Warren Comes Out in Favor of 'Affordable' Trans Health Care

In a move that has predictably set the right-wing blogosphere ablaze, Elizabeth Warren has spoken out in support of trans people’s access to gender-affirming health care.

“Everyone should be able to access high-quality, affordable, gender-affirming health care,” she tweeted on Tuesday. “But the Trump administration is trying to roll back important protections for trans Americans.”

The Massachusetts senator, who is currently seeking the Democratic nomination in the 2020 presidential election, closed her tweet with a call to action, asking her Twitter followers to “help fight back by leaving a comment [on Protect Trans Health’s website].” Protect Trans Health is an advocacy platform created by the National Center for Transgender Equality and the Transgender Law Center that, until midnight of last night, had been soliciting trans people’s testimonials of experiences with discrimination in health care to send to the Department of Health and Human Services.

This isn’t the first time that the candidate has addressed trans people’s access to health care, though it reflects a very different stance than her earliest efforts. Back in 2012 when she was running to unseat Republican Sen. Scott Brown in Massachusetts, Warren said that state-funded gender-affirming surgeries for incarcerated trans people wasn’t “a good use of taxpayers’ dollars.” She has since reversed that position, coming out in favor of trans inmates receiving gender-affirming surgery earlier this year.

Seven years later, the Senator has consistently spoken out against discrimination against trans people on the 2020 campaign trail, though this might be the first time she has explicitly come out against discrimination against trans people in health care.

While Warren’s general pro-trans sentiment seems pretty apparent, it’s unclear what she means by “affordable, gender-affirming health care” exactly. For instance, does it include both hormones and surgery — and which surgeries, at that? What about ensuring that doctors don’t misgender you or that transgender people, who disproprtionately live in poverty, even have the ability to get to a doctor?

Out reached out to Warren’s press office for clarification. We’ll update the story if we hear back.


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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:54 pm

Hediacrana wrote:From Out:

Elizabeth Warren Comes Out in Favor of 'Affordable' Trans Health Care

In a move that has predictably set the right-wing blogosphere ablaze, Elizabeth Warren has spoken out in support of trans people’s access to gender-affirming health care.

“Everyone should be able to access high-quality, affordable, gender-affirming health care,” she tweeted on Tuesday. “But the Trump administration is trying to roll back important protections for trans Americans.”

The Massachusetts senator, who is currently seeking the Democratic nomination in the 2020 presidential election, closed her tweet with a call to action, asking her Twitter followers to “help fight back by leaving a comment [on Protect Trans Health’s website].” Protect Trans Health is an advocacy platform created by the National Center for Transgender Equality and the Transgender Law Center that, until midnight of last night, had been soliciting trans people’s testimonials of experiences with discrimination in health care to send to the Department of Health and Human Services.

This isn’t the first time that the candidate has addressed trans people’s access to health care, though it reflects a very different stance than her earliest efforts. Back in 2012 when she was running to unseat Republican Sen. Scott Brown in Massachusetts, Warren said that state-funded gender-affirming surgeries for incarcerated trans people wasn’t “a good use of taxpayers’ dollars.” She has since reversed that position, coming out in favor of trans inmates receiving gender-affirming surgery earlier this year.

Seven years later, the Senator has consistently spoken out against discrimination against trans people on the 2020 campaign trail, though this might be the first time she has explicitly come out against discrimination against trans people in health care.

While Warren’s general pro-trans sentiment seems pretty apparent, it’s unclear what she means by “affordable, gender-affirming health care” exactly. For instance, does it include both hormones and surgery — and which surgeries, at that? What about ensuring that doctors don’t misgender you or that transgender people, who disproprtionately live in poverty, even have the ability to get to a doctor?

Out reached out to Warren’s press office for clarification. We’ll update the story if we hear back.


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Postby Auzkhia » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:03 pm

Hediacrana wrote:From Out:

Elizabeth Warren Comes Out in Favor of 'Affordable' Trans Health Care

In a move that has predictably set the right-wing blogosphere ablaze, Elizabeth Warren has spoken out in support of trans people’s access to gender-affirming health care.

“Everyone should be able to access high-quality, affordable, gender-affirming health care,” she tweeted on Tuesday. “But the Trump administration is trying to roll back important protections for trans Americans.”

The Massachusetts senator, who is currently seeking the Democratic nomination in the 2020 presidential election, closed her tweet with a call to action, asking her Twitter followers to “help fight back by leaving a comment [on Protect Trans Health’s website].” Protect Trans Health is an advocacy platform created by the National Center for Transgender Equality and the Transgender Law Center that, until midnight of last night, had been soliciting trans people’s testimonials of experiences with discrimination in health care to send to the Department of Health and Human Services.

This isn’t the first time that the candidate has addressed trans people’s access to health care, though it reflects a very different stance than her earliest efforts. Back in 2012 when she was running to unseat Republican Sen. Scott Brown in Massachusetts, Warren said that state-funded gender-affirming surgeries for incarcerated trans people wasn’t “a good use of taxpayers’ dollars.” She has since reversed that position, coming out in favor of trans inmates receiving gender-affirming surgery earlier this year.

Seven years later, the Senator has consistently spoken out against discrimination against trans people on the 2020 campaign trail, though this might be the first time she has explicitly come out against discrimination against trans people in health care.

While Warren’s general pro-trans sentiment seems pretty apparent, it’s unclear what she means by “affordable, gender-affirming health care” exactly. For instance, does it include both hormones and surgery — and which surgeries, at that? What about ensuring that doctors don’t misgender you or that transgender people, who disproprtionately live in poverty, even have the ability to get to a doctor?

Out reached out to Warren’s press office for clarification. We’ll update the story if we hear back.


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It's something that is needed, though it should also cover FFS and all forms of top surgery, not just GCS. Some policies do just that.

Though speaking of that, I wish some states would drop that requirement to alter one's birth certificate.
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Postby First American Empire » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:35 pm

Hediacrana wrote:From Out:

Elizabeth Warren Comes Out in Favor of 'Affordable' Trans Health Care

In a move that has predictably set the right-wing blogosphere ablaze, Elizabeth Warren has spoken out in support of trans people’s access to gender-affirming health care.

“Everyone should be able to access high-quality, affordable, gender-affirming health care,” she tweeted on Tuesday. “But the Trump administration is trying to roll back important protections for trans Americans.”

The Massachusetts senator, who is currently seeking the Democratic nomination in the 2020 presidential election, closed her tweet with a call to action, asking her Twitter followers to “help fight back by leaving a comment [on Protect Trans Health’s website].” Protect Trans Health is an advocacy platform created by the National Center for Transgender Equality and the Transgender Law Center that, until midnight of last night, had been soliciting trans people’s testimonials of experiences with discrimination in health care to send to the Department of Health and Human Services.

This isn’t the first time that the candidate has addressed trans people’s access to health care, though it reflects a very different stance than her earliest efforts. Back in 2012 when she was running to unseat Republican Sen. Scott Brown in Massachusetts, Warren said that state-funded gender-affirming surgeries for incarcerated trans people wasn’t “a good use of taxpayers’ dollars.” She has since reversed that position, coming out in favor of trans inmates receiving gender-affirming surgery earlier this year.

Seven years later, the Senator has consistently spoken out against discrimination against trans people on the 2020 campaign trail, though this might be the first time she has explicitly come out against discrimination against trans people in health care.

While Warren’s general pro-trans sentiment seems pretty apparent, it’s unclear what she means by “affordable, gender-affirming health care” exactly. For instance, does it include both hormones and surgery — and which surgeries, at that? What about ensuring that doctors don’t misgender you or that transgender people, who disproprtionately live in poverty, even have the ability to get to a doctor?

Out reached out to Warren’s press office for clarification. We’ll update the story if we hear back.


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Postby Central European Commonwealth » Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:25 am

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Hediacrana wrote:From Out:



Also: my 1000th post, yay! :)


Stuff like this is why Warren is my favorite candidate.


She's better than most. I'm still waiting for the first serious candidate who proposes kicking the "free market" out of health care all together across the pond.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:44 am

Hediacrana wrote:From Out:

Elizabeth Warren Comes Out in Favor of 'Affordable' Trans Health Care

In a move that has predictably set the right-wing blogosphere ablaze, Elizabeth Warren has spoken out in support of trans people’s access to gender-affirming health care.

“Everyone should be able to access high-quality, affordable, gender-affirming health care,” she tweeted on Tuesday. “But the Trump administration is trying to roll back important protections for trans Americans.”

The Massachusetts senator, who is currently seeking the Democratic nomination in the 2020 presidential election, closed her tweet with a call to action, asking her Twitter followers to “help fight back by leaving a comment [on Protect Trans Health’s website].” Protect Trans Health is an advocacy platform created by the National Center for Transgender Equality and the Transgender Law Center that, until midnight of last night, had been soliciting trans people’s testimonials of experiences with discrimination in health care to send to the Department of Health and Human Services.

This isn’t the first time that the candidate has addressed trans people’s access to health care, though it reflects a very different stance than her earliest efforts. Back in 2012 when she was running to unseat Republican Sen. Scott Brown in Massachusetts, Warren said that state-funded gender-affirming surgeries for incarcerated trans people wasn’t “a good use of taxpayers’ dollars.” She has since reversed that position, coming out in favor of trans inmates receiving gender-affirming surgery earlier this year.

Seven years later, the Senator has consistently spoken out against discrimination against trans people on the 2020 campaign trail, though this might be the first time she has explicitly come out against discrimination against trans people in health care.

While Warren’s general pro-trans sentiment seems pretty apparent, it’s unclear what she means by “affordable, gender-affirming health care” exactly. For instance, does it include both hormones and surgery — and which surgeries, at that? What about ensuring that doctors don’t misgender you or that transgender people, who disproprtionately live in poverty, even have the ability to get to a doctor?

Out reached out to Warren’s press office for clarification. We’ll update the story if we hear back.


Also: my 1000th post, yay! :)

UHC would be better tbh.
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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:57 am

Central European Commonwealth wrote:
First American Empire wrote:
Stuff like this is why Warren is my favorite candidate.


She's better than most. I'm still waiting for the first serious candidate who proposes kicking the "free market" out of health care all together across the pond.


Yeah, hate to say it, but the Democrats need a strong candidate, they don't have one yet.

Bernie Sanders now has to compete with 20 nobodies, none of whom stand out particularly, and he's sadly not long for the world.

Shit at this point I should run for President, I'd make quite the splash.
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