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Are School Dress Codes too Restrictive?

Postby Andsed » Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:58 pm

So after reading things like this:

https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/teens-protesting-high-school-dress-code-fight-for-right-to-go-braless-wear-shorter-shorts

About students protesting dress codes for being to restrictive I decided this would be a good NSG topic and here we are. So to my fellow residents of NSG what are y,all thoughts on school dress codes?

Personally I feel like dress codes can sometimes be way to restrictive. I mean there is some logic to them. Preventing students from say walking around totally nude or wearing offensive shit like a swastika is sensible. But some of them banning stuff like short shorts is just nonsensical to me because I mean who does someone wearing short shorts hurt?

But that is just my feelings on the subject and I am interested in hearing what the rest of you have to say.
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Postby Vashty » Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:59 pm

they are restrictive, they're dress codes lmao
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Postby Alorgaze » Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:02 pm

Vashty wrote:they are restrictive, they'redress codes lmao


Well, this guy pretty much said it.

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Postby Vashty » Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:03 pm

Alorgaze wrote:
Vashty wrote:they are restrictive, they'redress codes lmao


Well, this guy pretty much said it.


Only playing on the fact the OP can't spell.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:08 pm

well in some places dress codes are meant to restrict the type of clothing to lessen distractions in the classroom to focus more on studies. also in some ways it helps reduce bullying helps form unity as a student body. the only people that have problems with the dress codes are the ones who would violate them just to say "see they are being discriminatory towards me" when in reality it is the student who is discriminating against the school policy just so they wont get in trouble.
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Postby GlobalControl » Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:13 pm

>to

It's too.

And no, it's a dress code. They're not hard to abide by.
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Postby Tinhampton » Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:19 pm

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I can only speak from a British perspective in the meanwhile, where defined school uniforms are the norm, mostly below sixth form in this day and age - that's "high school" if you're in Cabotia. The general expectations are well defined and have been for several decades: polo top (or - especially nowadays - a shirt, blazer and tie) on top, skirts (for girls) or trousers (unisex; was for boys only until ~25yrs ago) on bottom, and smart black shoes. There have been some successful movements to get shorts explicitly legalised as a unisex option for the summer term (NOT related to the Yellow Squares), but the effects of these campaigns have not been felt everywhere.

Beyond the shorts campaigners (EDIT: See Autonomous Cleaner Bot Cleaners' post below), very few seem to have any problem with that or with separately-defined PE kit; certainly nobody was wailing about the manifestation of rape culture in uniform back when I went to school in the 1980s. The biggest problem appears to be with people not wearing blazers - or, alternatively, deciding to wear trainers to school - both of which are rarely widespread and little to make a fuss about.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:22 pm

Back in the distant past when I was attending school we had a uniform. The dress code was pretty much just "Wear your uniform".
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Postby Dresderstan » Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:22 pm

I had a dress code in High School where we had to wear solid colored polo shirts and khakis. Didn't like it at first, but eh, after a while you got used to it.
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Postby Inkopolitia » Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:22 pm

Yes, and they shouldn't be a thing. Schools should let students wear what the fuck they want unless it's exposes a student too much. (Think crop tops or shirtless guys walking around the school)
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Postby Saint Columcille » Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:26 pm

They should talk to the boys about being respectful instead of restricting the girls.
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:29 pm

The private school (which are apparently known as "public schools" in the UK, while what us Americans call "public schools", the Brits call "state schools"; the English language can be weird sometimes) that I've attended for my high school years has a rather strict dress code, and I don't mind it, if I'm to be completely honest.
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Postby Autonomous Cleaner Bot Cleaners » Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:30 pm

Gig em Aggies wrote:...the only people that have problems with the dress codes are the ones who..


...presumably can dress themselves. But it's actually more complicated than that, of course. At least in the United States (which is where my perspective is informed), while it's generally accepted that schools can establish standards that promote the learning environment (and thus ban, for example, lewd, sexually explicit, or gang-related attire), schools must ensure that their policies do not infringe on students' normal Constitutional rights. Inevitably, some clown in administration is going to try to extend a policy about school "unity" to try and ban burkas, or crosses, or traditional/indigenous/cultural dress, or rosaries, or non-US flags, or US flags, or...

Dunno how they necessarily do things in Quebec, but it seems reasonable to me, at least, that school policies cannot infringe on basic human rights like free speech and expression. The courts have to figure out where that line is, and adjust (probably constantly) as necessary, but the idea that the "only people" who have problems with dress codes are the ones interested in being disruptive is -- well, its patent nonsense.

EDIT: Did some googling, and found that -- again in the US, where I am -- school dress codes have implications for parents' Fourteenth Amendment rights as well. We can convert that to a more generalized claim that parents have the right to raise their children as they wish, including authorizing their childrens' manner of dress.

Gig em Aggies wrote:...when in reality it is the student who is discriminating against the school policy just so they wont get in trouble.


I'm desperately trying to fathom what "discriminating against the school policy" could possibly mean, but my nose is starting to bleed, so I'd best stop. :?

Saint Columcille wrote:They should talk to the boys about being respectful instead of restricting the girls.


Why inform and educate, when you could punish and condemn instead?
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Postby Socialist Workers Combine » Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:05 pm

There shouldn’t really be too much of a dress code though anti-gang makes sense. I never paid it much mind though.
But as someone who participated in job corps a few years ago for the hell of it, dress code really should allow skirts. Pants only is sexist, and implies only pants are “professional”.
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Postby Yusseria » Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:14 pm

Just make school uniforms mandatory.
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Postby Autonomous Cleaner Bot Cleaners » Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:25 pm

Socialist Workers Combine wrote:There shouldn’t really be too much of a dress code though anti-gang makes sense. I never paid it much mind though.
But as someone who participated in job corps a few years ago for the hell of it, dress code really should allow skirts. Pants only is sexist, and implies only pants are “professional”.


The sexist dress code policy is the "skirts OK, shorts NOT OK"

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When they protested that the girls were allowed bare legs, the school – no doubt joking – said the boys were free to wear skirts too if they chose. So on Wednesday, a handful braved the giggles and did so. The scale of the rebellion increased on Thurday, when at least 30 boys opted for the attire.

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Postby Socialist Workers Combine » Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:45 pm

Boys should of course wear skirts.

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Postby South Odreria » Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:51 pm

I see the kilt is forgotten as usual
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:53 pm

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Postby Socialist Workers Combine » Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:57 pm

Ifreann wrote:Expel boys who go braless.

BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT CROSS DRESSING

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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:01 pm

Socialist Workers Combine wrote:There shouldn’t really be too much of a dress code though anti-gang makes sense. I never paid it much mind though.
But as someone who participated in job corps a few years ago for the hell of it, dress code really should allow skirts. Pants only is sexist, and implies only pants are “professional”.

Lmao, imagine all those girls who tried so hard to wear pants and not skirts only to be "pants are sexist"
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Postby NERVUN » Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:03 pm

*Teaches in a school with a uniform*
I'm for dress codes. To a point. Mostly, I'm for dress codes in schools because too many times I've heard fellow teachers stateside who had to scrub a science experiment because someone thought that short-shorts were perfectly fine for a lab when working with chemicals. Or flip-flops make great track shoes for PE.
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Postby Socialist Workers Combine » Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:04 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:Lmao, imagine all those girls who tried so hard to wear pants and not skirts only to be "pants are sexist"

Both should be an option.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:05 pm

I went to private schools that required uniforms. This is not something that ever really came up, protests in dress codes. You used your uniform and that was it.
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Postby Socialist Workers Combine » Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:10 pm

I understand problems with practicality like lab

But for women it’s often a matter of restricting them because they show too much skin

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