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Postby Plzen » Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:11 am

Tracian Empire wrote:-snip-

Actually, hmm... the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced I don't actually want to play a global colonial empire... I think I'll just keep my North American possessions and drop everything else. Instead of a colonial empire, I'll find some other advantage to bestow upon the nation I will be representing - industrialisation and high technology, probably. Maybe culture.
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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:22 am

So whats that established power featured in America, on the map?
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Postby Plzen » Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:52 am

Remnants of Exilvania wrote:Hmmmm...on one condition. You figure out the exact population numbers for Schleswig.

"Slesvig has a population of about 400,000; those in the northern part, about 150,000, are entirely Danish."
- C. C. Eckhardt, "The North Slesvig or Dano-German Question", January 1919.

German population having grown by roughly 9% between 1906 and 1919 IRL, but Scandinavian immigration to the US - something like one-sixth or one-seventh of the population - and elsewhere being somewhat lower than in RL, with the history I'm thinking of. I think 400,000 as-is makes for a reasonable estimate for the population of the region.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:55 am

The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:So whats that established power featured in America, on the map?

The Grand Republic of Busang - a mostly Korean former colony with a lot of other Asian heritage.

I hope that you're looking at the right map though, Busang is indeed one of the nations that will return for the reboot, but the map in the OOC is in the rest fairly out of date.

The map I shared here is also not fully up to date with reservations, a more proper variant will be out soon.
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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:58 am

Reservation

Nation Name: Revolutionary Compact of Columbia
Territory: New England, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, Virginia, Maryland, and Delaware.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:59 am

The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:
Reservation

Nation Name: Revolutionary Compact of Columbia
Territory: New England, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, Virginia, Maryland, and Delaware.
#AltDiv (do not delete this, it's for keeping track of the apps)
*Note: Reservations will last for 72 hours. The OP board reserves the right to be subjective in regards to accepting reservations.

Revolutionary Compact? That's an interesting name xD

the claim is accepted - I'll add you to the map too, but if you could give me an image of what claims you want it would be really helpful, US states are not my strong point when it comes to maps
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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:01 am

Essentially what I am going for is a hyper-accelerationist hodgepodge of leftist, and other styles of thought country blended together by a form of nationalism focusing on spirituality, mysticism, revolutionary virtue, and a religion that attempts to unify things in a way not even France's in real-life cult of the Supreme Being could do.
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Postby Plzen » Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:02 am

The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:Essentially what I am going for is a hyper-accelerationist hodgepodge of leftist, and other styles of thought country blended together by a form of nationalism focusing on religion, mysticism, revolutionary virtue, and a religion that attempts to unify things in a way not even France's in real-life cult of the Supreme Being could do.

Oh, dear, this sounds like a fun country to have right on the borders of Scandinavia's largest colony...
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Plzen wrote:
The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:Essentially what I am going for is a hyper-accelerationist hodgepodge of leftist, and other styles of thought country blended together by a form of nationalism focusing on religion, mysticism, revolutionary virtue, and a religion that attempts to unify things in a way not even France's in real-life cult of the Supreme Being could do.

Oh, dear, this sounds like a fun country to have right on the borders of Scandinavia's largest colony...

It turned from your standard socialist, and leftist nationalist style revolutionary nation into a wacky one (with a basis in real history). The religion is a mixture of New England style congregations, and Quakerism with Anglicanism topped on with indigenous new England native beliefs, French revolutionary deism (different from American deism), inspirations from the Baha'i Faith, and Unitarian Universalism.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:19 am

Map - Alpha 5

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Postby Plzen » Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:23 am

Tracian Empire wrote:Map - Alpha 5

The Sønderjylland/Schleswig border (2 provinces) and the South Karelia border (1 province) still need revision. Otherwise, everything looks good.

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Postby Tracian Empire » Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:35 am

And with this, the old OOC is dead, everyone, please move to the new thread!

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Postby Reverend Norv » Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:36 am

The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:
Plzen wrote:Oh, dear, this sounds like a fun country to have right on the borders of Scandinavia's largest colony...

It turned from your standard socialist, and leftist nationalist style revolutionary nation into a wacky one (with a basis in real history). The religion is a mixture of New England style congregations, and Quakerism with Anglicanism topped on with indigenous new England native beliefs, French revolutionary deism (different from American deism), inspirations from the Baha'i Faith, and Unitarian Universalism.


I recommend taking a look at my France app. There's not really revolutionary deism in this timeline; France has been a republic since the sixteenth century, inspired more by Calvinist fervor than by Enlightenment values, and is so far the only democratic state on the European continent. I really like the idea, but you may need to adjust your historical explanation for why and how it emerged to match a very different context.
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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:57 am

Reverend Norv wrote:
The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:It turned from your standard socialist, and leftist nationalist style revolutionary nation into a wacky one (with a basis in real history). The religion is a mixture of New England style congregations, and Quakerism with Anglicanism topped on with indigenous new England native beliefs, French revolutionary deism (different from American deism), inspirations from the Baha'i Faith, and Unitarian Universalism.


I recommend taking a look at my France app. There's not really revolutionary deism in this timeline; France has been a republic since the sixteenth century, inspired more by Calvinist fervor than by Enlightenment values, and is so far the only democratic state on the European continent. I really like the idea, but you may need to adjust your historical explanation for why and how it emerged to match a very different context.

To clarify I meant more in real-life inspiration from our timeline of events more than this alternate timeline. I recently had to do a paper on the role of religion and the downfall of Robespierre, and suffice to say if you are going to have a revolutionary society, and religion then France's take (under Robespierre) on religion is probably going to pop up.
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Postby Remnants of Exilvania » Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:59 am

Plzen wrote:
Remnants of Exilvania wrote:Hmmmm...on one condition. You figure out the exact population numbers for Schleswig.

"Slesvig has a population of about 400,000; those in the northern part, about 150,000, are entirely Danish."
- C. C. Eckhardt, "The North Slesvig or Dano-German Question", January 1919.

German population having grown by roughly 9% between 1906 and 1919 IRL, but Scandinavian immigration to the US - something like one-sixth or one-seventh of the population - and elsewhere being somewhat lower than in RL, with the history I'm thinking of. I think 400,000 as-is makes for a reasonable estimate for the population of the region.

Thanks for that. Substracting that number while adding the 248.000 from Luxembourg makes for a net loss of 152.000. That works well enough.

Plzen wrote:I’m very interested in several aspects of German Imperial policy... the Empire’s relationship with France and especially with Russia, its trade policy, any further colonial ambitions it might have. I’m generally inclined in this iteration of the RP to align myself as a pro-German power, but that would obviously depend on Germany having at least somewhat acceptable answers to these questions.


Basically there is no real imperial policy.

Generally the relationship with France is at a low point...with Russia...eh...I'm not sure yet.

Trade policy is neutral enough tho French goods are being put under discriminatingly long searches for smuggled contraband and suffer from higher tariffs at the customs office.

Colonial ambitions do not exist and there is no strength to have colonial ambitions.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:59 am

Would be really nice if discussions would move to the new thread
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