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[DRAFT] Repeal Liberate Belgium

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[DRAFT] Repeal Liberate Belgium

Postby Toopaka » Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:04 pm

Security Council Resolution #4 “Liberate Belgium” shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

The Security Council,

WHEREAS Liberate Belgium is a historic resolution, being only the fourth ever passed by this august body;

ACKNOWLEDGING that at the time, the resolution was necessary, due to the invasion by various notable invaders, such as Macedon and West Flanders;

NOTING that as of now, the leaders of the invasions have all ceased to exist;

FURTHER NOTING that due to the time in which Belgium was founded, there could not be a founder;

OBSERVING that the enormous region of Belgium is now prospering, free of invader control;

FURTHER OBSERVING that the number of nations in Belgium has reached 150, and the delegate has been stable for over a year;

UNDERSTANDING that the delegate of Belgium is well protected from invaders, and wields significant influence within the region in order to protect it;

JUDGING that Security Council Resolution #4 “Liberate Belgium” is unnecessary, and even harmful to the region, due to its inability to password-protect itself;

FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGING that being able to have a password will, in the long run, be for the betterment and growth of the region;

Hereby repeals "Liberate Belgium"

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Postby Lenlyvit » Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:10 pm

Wholeheartedly against without native consent, which all have made it very known they don't want it repealed. This has been tried, and has failed, many times. Might want to drop this idea.

Edit: And authored by raiders from The Ragerian Imperium, why am I not surprised? Really against it now.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:15 pm

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Postby Toopaka » Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:21 pm

Just to be clear, we're not trying to raid Belgium. Making this clear is why I entered the clauses about how strong the defense was. If you look, the WA delegate is in the top 1% of nations for influence, and the regional officer (with border control authority) is in the top 2%. Raiding Belgium would be suicidal. Also, I repeatedly attempted to speak to various natives, in order to gauge their feelings on this. However, I wasn't properly able to contact any longtime members of the region, despite repeated attempts.
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Postby Lenlyvit » Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:28 pm

Toopaka wrote:Just to be clear, we're not trying to raid Belgium. Making this clear is why I entered the clauses about how strong the defense was. If you look, the WA delegate is in the top 1% of nations for influence, and the regional officer (with border control authority) is in the top 2%. Raiding Belgium would be suicidal. Also, I repeatedly attempted to speak to various natives, in order to gauge their feelings on this. However, I wasn't properly able to contact any longtime members of the region, despite repeated attempts.

It doesn't matter how much influence they have or how strong their defense is. Any sleeper in there for long periods could easily amass enough influence to lock it down without the liberation, and like you've noticed the natives are sleepy. They don't want it repealed, let it lay as it is.
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Postby Praeceps » Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:41 pm

Without native support you are going to have trouble convincing me why this should be repealed. Especially given that you are a raider.
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Postby Vincent Drake » Sat Apr 13, 2019 5:53 pm

Absolutely not. They don't want it repealed.
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Postby Bears Armed » Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:01 am

Lenlyvit wrote:
Toopaka wrote:Just to be clear, we're not trying to raid Belgium. Making this clear is why I entered the clauses about how strong the defense was. If you look, the WA delegate is in the top 1% of nations for influence, and the regional officer (with border control authority) is in the top 2%. Raiding Belgium would be suicidal. Also, I repeatedly attempted to speak to various natives, in order to gauge their feelings on this. However, I wasn't properly able to contact any longtime members of the region, despite repeated attempts.

It doesn't matter how much influence they have or how strong their defense is. Any sleeper in there for long periods could easily amass enough influence to lock it down without the liberation, and like you've noticed the natives are sleepy. They don't want it repealed, let it lay as it is.

Full agreement.
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Postby Aav Verinhall » Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:52 am

Praeceps wrote:Without native support you are going to have trouble convincing me why this should be repealed. Especially given that you are a raider.

Toopaka actually isn't in the Armada. Now that we've got that covered, let me reiterate that the Imperium has no goal to raid Belgium. There's no point, as said earlier, they have massive levels of influence that would require a sleeper set in there for *years* and really, I can't think of a good reason to go after them. If your only argument against is "Your raiders" then please drop that argument and come up with a better one. Being a raider does not automatically equate to being evil.
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Postby Cataluna » Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:00 am

Nice try, raiders. But seriously, guys, you can't even pull an invaders and do this under an alt?
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Postby Lord Dominator » Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:05 am

How about 'native have expressed no desire for it to be removed, and there is no other practical reason to do so'
Does that work as a reason against?
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Postby Roavin » Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:36 am

Obviously no. But hey, I remembered for a second that TRI exists!
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Postby Xoriet » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:09 am

Very against. Belgium's natives have never expressed a desire to have their Liberation removed, and for good reason. Any good security, even significant levels of influence, can be cracked with time. No founderless region can really be described as "secure".
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:53 am

One hopes that the OP realises the strength of opinion against their proposed repeal and drops it forthwith.

As long as the natives of Belgium are against the removal of the Liberation then any attempt to do so will be stomped on, assuming said attempt reaches the vote.
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Postby Borovan entered the region as he » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:42 pm

I'm going against there's really no need to repeal dis even if you're attempting to raid it, I really don't think not repealing it interferes with a raiding military to raid a region. There's still some low influence natives and no password is set so this doesn't restrict a raiders ability to go raid and stuff.

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Postby Servilis » Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:18 am

I'm gonna quote ISorrowsProductions,

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Postby BlackLight Covenant » Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:51 am

Now I don't know much about Belgium or the raid it went through, as in, I have pretty much no knowledge about either of them, but seeing how the region is firmly under native control again, I'd like to see the support from said natives for this idea first before I will actually consider voting in favour of this. If the natives don't mind the liberation, or even actively wish to keep it around, then I have no intention to support a proposal that would just leave the region vulnerable to a raider-induced lockdown again, as that would just lead us all the way back to square one.
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Postby Kurnugia » Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:43 am

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Postby Third Asopia » Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:31 pm

BlackLight Covenant wrote:Now I don't know much about Belgium or the raid it went through, as in, I have pretty much no knowledge about either of them, but seeing how the region is firmly under native control again, I'd like to see the support from said natives for this idea first before I will actually consider voting in favour of this. If the natives don't mind the liberation, or even actively wish to keep it around, then I have no intention to support a proposal that would just leave the region vulnerable to a raider-induced lockdown again, as that would just lead us all the way back to square one.

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