Segregation - can it be non-discriminatory and/or productive

[Excelsion]

I am not talking about different toilets for different people or sitting places reserved for someone.
However there are asians who don't like others, blacks who don't like others and whites who don't like others. Reasons may vary from racism to bad personal experiences, whatever, it doesn't really matter.
Now, let's imagine someone founded a new nation and in this nation there's 33% blacks, 33% asians and 33% whites. And let's say amount x people are pro-isolation and segregation and display behaviour that is presumed racist in everyday behaviour.

What if this new nation built cities exclusively for black, white and asian people while having a majority of cities for all people.
Let's say 50 cities for blacks, 50 for asians and 50 for whites, as well as 1000 cities that aren't limited in any way for any people.

While this approach may seem unreasonable and unorthodox, in my point of view the pros outweigh the cons by far. Racists and isolationists of all ethnicities would live among themselves while openminded people would live together. Of course, all segregational cities are equally funded in order to avoid differences in standard od living. I am aware that there are more minorities in existence but let's just go with these ethnicities for the sake of this discussion.

What's your take on this?

[Far Easter Republic]

r/unpopularopinions

[Excelsion]

r/unpopularopinions

Lol.

[Thuzbekistan]

It actually does matter why these people dont want to be around others. If those feelings are racist (as they most certainly would be) then the system would be racist. Separate but equal is not a good foundation of a society. The whole idea of segregation is racist from the start. Even in a utopia, you cannot have a segregated society. The only way to do this would be ethno states, which just dont jive well with not causing world wars.

Races arent different at the end of the day and I would dare say you are racist for assuming all asians are the same in your OP.

[Upper Secundus]

33%+33%+33%=99% Chief

[Thuzbekistan]

33%+33%+33%=99% Chief

The other 1 percent were killed off by the nazis who created this system

[Asherahan]

I find the homogenization the OP thinks exist in Races disturbing.

[Christ Triumphant]

let's imagine someone founded a new nation and in this nation there's 33% blacks, 33% asians and 33% whites ... What if this new nation built cities exclusively for black, white and asian people while having a majority of cities for all people ... Let's say 50 cities for blacks, 50 for asians and 50 for whites, as well as 1000 cities that aren't limited in any way for any people.

Why on earth would these people all agree to found a new nation with one another if, from the outset, such a large percentage of the population knew they would not be able to peaceably coexist? And these "segregated cities" are just asking for separatist movements.

Also, should you have a thousand cities in a country where folks can get along, surely the rest would be such a small minority as to be inconsequential. Why cater to a small antisocial minority like that? You would simply be actively promoting their ideas and begging for further propagation in these ridiculous incubators...

[Excelsion]

It actually does matter why these people dont want to be around others. If those feelings are racist (as they most certainly would be) then the system would be racist. Separate but equal is not a good foundation of a society. The whole idea of segregation is racist from the start. Even in a utopia, you cannot have a segregated society. The only way to do this would be ethno states, which just dont jive well with not causing world wars.

Races arent different at the end of the day and I would dare say you are racist for assuming all asians are the same in your OP.

That's why you have 1000 open city as opposed to the 3×50 closed cities. If segregation is a personal choice and not mandatory I fail to see the harm in it. The vast majority would enjoy to live together while those who seek to seclude themselves can be satisfied too.

[Ostroeuropa]

Segregation is inefficient and uses more resources than necessary to serve a total population.
Every time there is space in group A's services going unused, the presence of space in group B's services is unjustifiable. Unlike a competitive market too, there is no chance of this rectifying itself.

Example;

30 people in a restaurant capable of seating 80
and
30 people in a restaurant capable of seating 70.

Both serving the same food, to roughly the same quality.

That increases the number of empty seats from 10 or 20 to 90.

[Saiwania]

Segregation is wonderful, provided it is limited to zoning in my view, or who lives in which part of town as a majority group. The issue is not that people want to live as if divided, but that it's impossible for segregation to result in a truly "equal" distribution of resources. The in group will wind up getting the lion's share of all resources, while the out group would get subpar conditions if not a pittance of what the in group gets.

When there was de jure segregation, the White water fountains were pristine and in good order, while the Black water fountains would be rusted, dirty, and etc. So of course the Blacks thought of this as quite a bad state of affairs, as opposed to if it were the case that the White and Black water fountains were equally as good.

[Christian Confederation]

It actually does matter why these people dont want to be around others. If those feelings are racist (as they most certainly would be) then the system would be racist. Separate but equal is not a good foundation of a society. The whole idea of segregation is racist from the start. Even in a utopia, you cannot have a segregated society. The only way to do this would be ethno states, which just dont jive well with not causing world wars.

Races arent different at the end of the day and I would dare say you are racist for assuming all asians are the same in your OP.

Last I heard most Nordic countrys are pretty issolated and are doing just fine.

[Excelsion]

33%+33%+33%=99% Chief

Excuse for not typing in all the percent on my smartphone you wannabe smartboi.

[Ostroeuropa]

Segregation is wonderful, provided it is limited to zoning in my view, or who lives in which part of town as a majority group. The issue is not that people want to live as if divided, but that it's impossible for segregation to result in a truly "equal" distribution of resources. The in group will wind up getting the lion's share of all resources, while the out group would get subpar conditions if not a pittance of what the in group gets.

When there was de jure segregation, the White water fountains were pristine and in good order, while the Black water fountains would be rusted, dirty, and etc. So of course the Blacks thought of this as quite a bad state of affairs, as opposed to if it were the case that the White and Black water fountains were equally as good.

Unless it's a total capacity issue, what's the point in two water fountains? It increases resource cost and maintenance costs.

[Excelsion]

It actually does matter why these people dont want to be around others. If those feelings are racist (as they most certainly would be) then the system would be racist. Separate but equal is not a good foundation of a society. The whole idea of segregation is racist from the start. Even in a utopia, you cannot have a segregated society. The only way to do this would be ethno states, which just dont jive well with not causing world wars.

Races arent different at the end of the day and I would dare say you are racist for assuming all asians are the same in your OP.

If you assume I am racist by assuming that I generalize that all asians are the same, then I am going to conclude that you aren't that intellectually gifted.
I brought out the same conditions for all ethnicities so only a moron would call racism.

[Upper Secundus]

Excuse me for not typing in all the percent on my smartphone you wannabe smartboi.

Hey, I'm just correcting your mistake, no need to be rude.

Also, FTFY.

[Excelsion]

Segregation is inefficient and uses more resources than necessary to serve a total population.
Every time there is space in group A's services going unused, the presence of space in group B's services is unjustifiable. Unlike a competitive market too, there is no chance of this rectifying itself.

Example;

30 people in a restaurant capable of seating 80
and
30 people in a restaurant capable of seating 70.

Both serving the same food, to roughly the same quality.

That increases the number of empty seats from 10 or 20 to 90.

You make an interesting point but I doubr whether this can or can not be rectified.

[Ostroeuropa]

Segregation is inefficient and uses more resources than necessary to serve a total population.
Every time there is space in group A's services going unused, the presence of space in group B's services is unjustifiable. Unlike a competitive market too, there is no chance of this rectifying itself.

Example;

30 people in a restaurant capable of seating 80
and
30 people in a restaurant capable of seating 70.

Both serving the same food, to roughly the same quality.

That increases the number of empty seats from 10 or 20 to 90.

You make an interesting point but I doubr whether this can or can not be rectified.

Why can't it be rectified?

We already know that gender neutral bathrooms tend to increase efficacy and reduce waiting times as well as maintenance costs.

[Excelsion]

Excuse me for not typing in all the percent on my smartphone you wannabe smartboi.

Hey, I'm just correcting your mistake, no need to be rude.

Also, FTFY.

Thanks for helping out man, I really appreciate it with my my bad grammar and all, though I feel a little bad for you if you have nothing more worthwhile to do with your time other than correcting me.

[Heloin]

It actually does matter why these people dont want to be around others. If those feelings are racist (as they most certainly would be) then the system would be racist. Separate but equal is not a good foundation of a society. The whole idea of segregation is racist from the start. Even in a utopia, you cannot have a segregated society. The only way to do this would be ethno states, which just dont jive well with not causing world wars.

Races arent different at the end of the day and I would dare say you are racist for assuming all asians are the same in your OP.

If you assume I am racist by assuming that I generalize that all asians are the same, then I am going to conclude that you aren't that intellectually gifted.
I brought out the same conditions for all ethnicities so only a moron would call racism.

Probably best if you don't go calling someone stupid for calling segregation inherently racist.

[Excelsion]

Probably best if you don't go calling someone stupid for calling segregation inherently racist.

I didn't. I called him stupid for assuming i am racist simply because I want to discuss a topic I am interested in.

[Excelsion]

You make an interesting point but I doubr whether this can or can not be rectified.

Why can't it be rectified?

We already know that gender neutral bathrooms tend to increase efficacy and reduce waiting times as well as maintenance costs.

You make indeed a good point. But wouldn't there simply be less restaurants - as you used them before - if there aren't enough customers in the first place.

[Ostroeuropa]

Why can't it be rectified?

We already know that gender neutral bathrooms tend to increase efficacy and reduce waiting times as well as maintenance costs.

You make indeed a good point. But wouldn't there simply be less restaurants - as you used them before - if there aren't enough customers in the first place.

Yes, unless segregation ends. This also makes businesses in general less viable and reduces innovation and job security by limiting the field of potential customers.

[Risottia]

It actually does matter why these people dont want to be around others. If those feelings are racist (as they most certainly would be) then the system would be racist. Separate but equal is not a good foundation of a society. The whole idea of segregation is racist from the start. Even in a utopia, you cannot have a segregated society. The only way to do this would be ethno states, which just dont jive well with not causing world wars.

Races arent different at the end of the day and I would dare say you are racist for assuming all asians are the same in your OP.

Last I heard most Nordic countrys are pretty issolated and are doing just fine.

Considered how ALL Nordic countries are in the EU/EEA (which means freedom of movement), you must have heard something wrong.

[Excelsion]

You make indeed a good point. But wouldn't there simply be less restaurants - as you used them before - if there aren't enough customers in the first place.

Yes, unless segregation ends. This also makes businesses in general less viable and reduces innovation and job security by limiting the field of potential customers.

I see. Thanks for sharing, it does sound logical.