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Who will Win the 2019 Indonesian Presidential Election?

Postby Dictoriahon » Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:00 pm

Haven't heard of Indonesia? No? Of course you haven't. Click here.
As obscure as it is, courses of events in Indonesia often shake the world. The 1945-49 revolution that saw the nation founded made colonialism look crap. The Cold War would have went in the Soviet Union's direction had Suharto and his buddies not killed off at least 500,000 'communists'. (The soldiers who instigated the massacre by killing six 'right-wing' generals in the name of the incumbent couldn't even have been communist, for Pete's sake!) News of the decimated city of Banda Aceh in late 2004 made Indonesia one of the largest aid recipients in the world and the Bali Bombings opened the world's eyes to the possibility of terrorism in East Asia.

Indonesia has been led by a fiery nationalist, a grinning dictator, a diminutive technocrat, an old scholar, a national icon, a failed reformist and a successful reformist (in that order). That successful reformist is former Surakartan mayor and Jakartan governor Joko Widodo, also known as Jokowi. He has been hailed by Fortune as one of the world's 50 greatest leaders and has been on the Muslim 500 for two years running. For some reason, he is a Knight of the Royal Order of the Seraphim, the highest order in Sweden, of all places. He was elected in 2014, with Jusuf Kalla and his approval ratings have skyrocketed since then. He has spread education, development and efficiency, building major toll roads in West New Guinea and orchestrating the creation of Jakarta's first true mass transit system, the latter of which incited cheering from the traffic-ridden city's inhabitants. This time with Muslim scholar Ma'ruf Amin, he is running for another five-year turn. His opponent? Prabowo Subianto.

Prabowo is one of the big Suhartoists right now, partly for the sake of relations with his ex-wife, no other than Suharto's daughter. He promises a return to the Suharto era, which could be said to be a benevolent dictatorship. He has forcefully given warnings to many politicians to do what he thinks is their best course, but was thankfully too much of a bother to listen to. Prabowo has been banned from entering the US on human rights violations grounds, but something tells me Ol' Donnie will do something to change that. He's already lost the 2014 election to Jokowi, but with a very narrow margin. He's shooting for it again with Jakarta Vice-Governor Sandiaga Uno, but Jokowi's five-year credential-proving stint will make it much harder for him. However, there are many people in poverty which have taken Jokowi's benefits longer to reach that want change.

So who do you think shall it be? The reformist or the absolutist? (I will release the results on 17th April at the earliest, 1st May at the latest.)
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:08 pm

You didn't need to spoiler that bit, and I'd put blank lines between the paragraphs. And I think you'd be surprised by how many people have heard of Indonesia.
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Postby Neu Leonstein » Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:13 pm

It's not really even a question. Jokowi is like 20 or 25 points ahead.
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Postby Ariwana » Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:18 pm

Either Jokowi or Prabowo who win elections, this country will still be what it is today with possible small changes waiting in the future
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Postby Dictoriahon » Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:04 am

UPDATE!
Jokowi has just hosted a gigantic rally at the biggest stadium in the nation - and by just, I mean a couple of hours ago. I'm certain he's gonna win. But Prabowo launched another one in the most major road in Jakarta, so I dunno.
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Postby Dictoriahon » Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:07 am

After I post the results, feel free to use this topic to prophesy fortune/doom during the reign of either the incumbent or the challenger.
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Postby Neu Leonstein » Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:27 am

Dictoriahon wrote:After I post the results, feel free to use this topic to prophesy fortune/doom during the reign of either the incumbent or the challenger.

I don't think either is particularly likely, to be honest... It looks like a more benign economic outlook for SE Asia as a whole than we had for much of last year, so hopefully things will be relatively smooth.
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Postby Imperial Majapahit » Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:36 am

I doubt Prabowo can win that many votes with all the shenanigans his campaign team has been making. Jokowi's presidency will endure.
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Sun Apr 14, 2019 3:47 am

Ariwana wrote:Either Jokowi or Prabowo who win elections, this country will still be what it is today with possible small changes waiting in the future

Agreed.
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Postby Cyberpunk America » Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:58 am

I support whoever is least supportive of Islam.

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Postby Ariwana » Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:04 pm

Don't forget to votes in general election on this day :bow:

One vote can determine the direction of state policy in the future


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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:09 pm

Ariwana wrote:Don't forget to votes in general election on this day :bow:

One vote can determine the direction of state policy in the future



Ah well, it's still early at my place. The sun has just rose :p
Anyway, agreed with your statement. Whoever gets elected, let's hope that they are the best choice for our country's future.

(Anyway the Deddy Mizwar meme got me cracked up)
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Postby Arkhastok » Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:45 pm

Child of Indonesian parents here living in Australia. Tbh I only know stuff about Jokowi because they keep going on about how good he is, only heard Prabowo mentioned once lol. Was going to go to Indonesia around this time of year but elections apparently made it too dangerous

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Postby Ariwana » Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:58 pm

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
Ariwana wrote:Don't forget to votes in general election on this day :bow:

One vote can determine the direction of state policy in the future



Ah well, it's still early at my place. The sun has just rose :p
Anyway, agreed with your statement. Whoever gets elected, let's hope that they are the best choice for our country's future.

(Anyway the Deddy Mizwar meme got me cracked up)


yep, I am also to vote in Jakarta yeah at 9 a.m. don't forget to vote rhinoceros hehehe :bow:
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:04 pm

Arkhastok wrote:Child of Indonesian parents here living in Australia. Tbh I only know stuff about Jokowi because they keep going on about how good he is, only heard Prabowo mentioned once lol. Was going to go to Indonesia around this time of year but elections apparently made it too dangerous

How so?
I mean, I've heard some people talking about how Indonesia is always on the verge of collapsing, though I think it's slightly exaggerated.
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Samudera Darussalam wrote:
Arkhastok wrote:Child of Indonesian parents here living in Australia. Tbh I only know stuff about Jokowi because they keep going on about how good he is, only heard Prabowo mentioned once lol. Was going to go to Indonesia around this time of year but elections apparently made it too dangerous

How so?
I mean, I've heard some people talking about how Indonesia is always on the verge of collapsing, though I think it's slightly exaggerated.


We're Chinese Indonesians so parents say that it's dangerous to visit at this time of year. I think they exaggerated it but I can see how there may be more unrest.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:16 pm

1: Which parties/candidates are in the race right now?
2: Which party/candidate is the most Islamic?
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:24 pm

Arkhastok wrote:We're Chinese Indonesians so parents say that it's dangerous to visit at this time of year. I think they exaggerated it but I can see how there may be more unrest.


Ah....it's exaggerated yet is not at the same time.
Having distant Chinese descent from father's side, I know a number of people who get along well with members of the Chinese Indonesian community......and some who would look at them with suspicions or bad judgement in general. It depends on the people really, but I don't think that 1998 is going to be re-enacted, hopefully.

The time that is prone to some.....dangers is the one that is around the announcement of the results. Some may be dissastisfied.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:33 pm

Just did some self research, I stand behind the Crescent Star Party.
I read the political parties' bios on wiki so my stance is subject to change if I learn more insha-Allah
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:34 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:1: Which parties/candidates are in the race right now?
2: Which party/candidate is the most Islamic?

Ah well, there are two candidates:

1. The first one is the incumbent president Jokowi, and Ma'ruf Amin. Jokowi is going to run as the presidential candidate, and Ma'ruf Amin, an Islamic scholar and former head of the MUI (Majelis Ulama Indonesia/Indonesian Ulema Council) as his vice-president.
This pair is supported by PDI-P, Golkar, PKB, PPP, Nasdem, Hanura, PKPI, PBB, PSI, and Perindo.

The second one is Prabowo Subianto and Sandiaga Uno. Prabowo Subianto, who is going to run as the presidential candidate is a former member of the Indonesian military and Sandiaga, who is running for the position of vice president is an Indonesian businessman.
The pair is supported by Gerindra, Demokrat, PAN, PKS, and Berkarya.

2. About the most Islamic parts.....Islamic parties are split up in this election. PAN and PKS are both Islamic parties, as well as PKB and PBB. People generally said that the second candidate has some connections with hardline or conservative(?) Muslim groups.

Maybe some insights.
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Postby Arkhastok » Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:37 pm

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
Arkhastok wrote:We're Chinese Indonesians so parents say that it's dangerous to visit at this time of year. I think they exaggerated it but I can see how there may be more unrest.


Ah....it's exaggerated yet is not at the same time.
Having distant Chinese descent from father's side, I know a number of people who get along well with members of the Chinese Indonesian community......and some who would look at them with suspicions or bad judgement in general. It depends on the people really, but I don't think that 1998 is going to be re-enacted, hopefully.

The time that is prone to some.....dangers is the one that is around the announcement of the results. Some may be dissastisfied.


Ah yes, I keep hearing about 1998. Probably caused the fear of going back doing political events honestly. My grandparents were due to return back to Indonesia by then but my parents got them permanent residency here. Although now, they're back in Indonesia so I assume that this wont be a repeat.

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Postby Angora Guanaco » Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:46 pm

There's no way Joko Widodo will lose, right?

And also, I feel like you've either underestimated Indonesia's prominence or NS's geography skills. I think almost everyone's got to have heard of Indonesia.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:48 pm

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:1: Which parties/candidates are in the race right now?
2: Which party/candidate is the most Islamic?

Ah well, there are two candidates:

1. The first one is the incumbent president Jokowi, and Ma'ruf Amin. Jokowi is going to run as the presidential candidate, and Ma'ruf Amin, an Islamic scholar and former head of the MUI (Majelis Ulama Indonesia/Indonesian Ulema Council) as his vice-president.
This pair is supported by PDI-P, Golkar, PKB, PPP, Nasdem, Hanura, PKPI, PBB, PSI, and Perindo.

The second one is Prabowo Subianto and Sandiaga Uno. Prabowo Subianto, who is going to run as the presidential candidate is a former member of the Indonesian military and Sandiaga, who is running for the position of vice president is an Indonesian businessman.
The pair is supported by Gerindra, Demokrat, PAN, PKS, and Berkarya.

2. About the most Islamic parts.....Islamic parties are split up in this election. PAN and PKS are both Islamic parties, as well as PKB and PBB. People generally said that the second candidate has some connections with hardline or conservative(?) Muslim groups.

Maybe some insights.

Well according to wiki, this how I see it:

I'm not gonna support PKB nor PKS because neither want a full-on 100% Islamic government. Also PKS has/had ties to the Muslim Brotherhood so :? So that leaves PAN and PBB. The reason I picked PBB was because wiki said that they want an Islamic way of life for Indonesia. Then again so does PAN and wiki saying that PAN is moderate Islamist doesn't necessarily mean they're munaafiqoon.

Tbh all the Islamic parties should just unite, Or at least from a coalition.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:49 pm

Angora Guanaco wrote:There's no way Joko Widodo will lose, right?

And also, I feel like you've either underestimated Indonesia's prominence or NS's geography skills. I think almost everyone's got to have heard of Indonesia.

I have :)
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