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Mercy To Your Enemy?

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What do you do?

Option 1
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Option 2
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Option 3
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Option 4 (please explain)
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Infected Mushroom
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:23 pm

Please consider the following hypothetical:

You are a magic user, charged with the defense of the continent of Europe.

Your order is tasked with protecting several powerful magical artifacts and forbidden from using them.

However, a very gifted witch, Annie Holstadt, goes on a quest to take all of the magical relics for herself. She duels and kills several members of your order to steal them. After acquiring a large number of relics, she absorbs their power and becomes powerful enough to stage a take-over of Europe and outright defy your order.

You assemble the remaining magic users to fight her. However, her raw magical power is too great and she murders almost the whole group sent to kill her. Instead of killing you, you are enslaved to her will through a dark relic.

After being mind-controlled, you are sent all over Europe as a dark commander and made to commit mass murder and destruction in the name of the empire.

In the meantime, Witch Queen Annie consolidates her control over Europe. She uses a large amount of her magic to create and summon a large army of dragons, wraiths, and war goblins; the largest in history. Using this large powerful dark army, she starts burning and invading entire nations. Many towns are incinerated by magical fire and millions are killed.

The remaining nations of Europe form a reluctant alliance with the fairies they have oppressed for years to mount a resistance. This “alliance of heroes” fights valiantly and eventually manages to free you from her mind control by destroying the enslavement relic.

After being awaked from mind control, you are absolutely horrified and shocked at the devastation that has been wrecked by the Witch Queen and what she made you do. Literally millions of civilians are now dead and she has managed to kill almost all of your magic user friends.

After a series of decisive battles, you manage to drive the Witch Queen’s dark armies back. The turning point is marked when your side manages to take down the most powerful dragons under her control. The vast majority of her army is destroyed in combat.

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Annie is shocked and dismayed but believes she can simply escape and raise a new dark army. You chase her down into the forest and call her out for a magical duel. Instead of simply escaping, Annie decides to take you down since you have been a major annoyance.

You offer her the chance to surrender. You tell her that she’s used too much of her magical power into creating, sustaining, and channeling her dark armies (that have since been destroyed) and that the powers of the relics is not limitless. You warn her that it won’t be a fair fight because she’s not at full power and that you’ve gotten a lot more powerful since the last time.

Annie rejects your offer of surrender and proceeds to try and kill you in a magical duel. The duel is quite even for a while but then you go on a relentless offensive and break through her defenses. She’s hit with a large number of spells and disarmed.

Now battered by your spells and injured on the forest ground and without her wand, Annie realizes that you might execute her and so she says that she “wants to surrender now.” You coldly remind her that she was offered a chance to do that before the duel.

“WAIT!” she cries out. “I… I don’t want to die! Don’t… don’t kill me PLEASE! I… I REPENT! I SEE THE ERROR OF MY WAYS! Please don’t kill me!”

She seems genuinely terrified and she holds her arms out to partly shield herself from you in an almost “girlish” defensive posture. Assume that without her wand, she’s not able to defend herself.

If you decide to allow her to surrender and take her prisoner, your side has a no execution and no torture policy, which has been honored so far in the war. Assume that it is feasible to keep her prisoner.

What do you do now?

Your options are as follows:

1. Execute her there. Avenge your friends and the civilians.

2. Use magic to cause her considerable pain, and then execute her.

3. Allow her to surrender. All enemies must be treated with dignity and protocol. She will likely live out her remaining days in some heavily guarded fortress manned by the alliance.

4. Other (please explain)


Please keep in mind that Annie’s actions were in part motivated by a desire for revenge against humanity as a result of persecution and personal abuse she suffered in her childhood for being a magic user.

Please justify your decision and discuss in terms of your pragmatic, moral, philosophical, and/or personal reasoning.

If I were in the situation, I would definitely want revenge. She’s killed many of my friends and millions of people; not to mention I’d be upset that I was mind controlled and made to do some killing myself.

However, I am a firm believer in protocol and I think that sticking to it will bolster the moral authority of our side. There is not much to be gained from killing her and assuming her magic can be contained, this is “mercy” that we can afford. She might have other useful information too. So I ultimately choose to accept her surrender.
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Postby Senkaku » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:25 pm

another stimulating take on the "ok but would you kill this hot anime lady psychopath??" question, IM
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:32 pm

Senkaku wrote:another stimulating take on the "ok but would you kill this hot anime lady psychopath??" question, IM


This scenario is different from the others in that it involves an actual military engagement and attempt to surrender (and with your side having a no execution policy).

I think its substantially different from previous iterations. There are definitely unique considerations.
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Postby Heloin » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:36 pm

I activate my wizard card and she goes flying off the side.

...

Wait...
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Postby Andsed » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:37 pm

I´m killing her no question. I gave her a chance to surrender and she has killed millions for no other reason than her lust for power.
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Postby Umpus » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:38 pm

Senkaku wrote:another stimulating take on the "ok but would you kill this hot anime lady psychopath??" question, IM

:rofl: Oh my gooooooodddddd. This is ssssssooooooo accurate I just can’t.
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Postby Valentine Z » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:39 pm

"Literally millions of civilians are now dead and she has managed to kill almost all of your magic user friends."

Kill her, then make her spirit bounded to the Purgatory for a good 10300 years. Eternity is overrated, anyway. :P

Seriously, screw you, Annie, and your antics.
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Postby Dushan » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:39 pm

Off with her head.

Wait, didn she appeared in another story of yours?
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Postby UniversalCommons » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:40 pm

Draw out all of her power breathe in her darkness convert it directly into the earth magic causing a massive conversion of dark energy into fertile forest and farmland. The classic meditation of breathing in darkness and converting it into light. Then bind her actions where positive actions lead to positive results and mark her so she can never escape the sight of a decent person. When the power is stripped from her and she is marked put her into a prison for mages which she cannot leave.

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Postby Umpus » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:42 pm

Valentine Z wrote:"Literally millions of civilians are now dead and she has managed to kill almost all of your magic user friends."

Kill her, then make her spirit bounded to the Purgatory for a good 10300 years. Eternity is overrated, anyway. :P

Seriously, screw you, Annie, and your antics.

You make this sound like someone you hate in the workplace.
“Seriously,screw you,and your antics.”
Like,did she drink your coffee,or something?
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:43 pm

Dushan wrote:Off with her head.

Wait, didn she appeared in another story of yours?


She’s been used in previous threads

Usually, the character is a personification of sorts for militarism and imperialism.
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Postby The Black Party » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:43 pm

Another banging scenario, Mushroom. Really went for the three-pointer here and sunk it. Gotta sleep over this one.
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Postby Medwind » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:46 pm

I'll take option 1, she is a war criminal, and, cost me personally, even if she wasn't/didn't, I would still do it, she is an enemy in war, I was trained IRL that it's better not to take prisoners. It doesn't make sense to take 2, because it would give her time to potentially get the upper hand on me, or for reinforcements to arrive, better not to take any chances. Good story bro.

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Postby Valentine Z » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:47 pm

Umpus wrote:
Valentine Z wrote:"Literally millions of civilians are now dead and she has managed to kill almost all of your magic user friends."

Kill her, then make her spirit bounded to the Purgatory for a good 10300 years. Eternity is overrated, anyway. :P

Seriously, screw you, Annie, and your antics.

You make this sound like someone you hate in the workplace.
“Seriously,screw you,and your antics.”
Like,did she drink your coffee,or something?


Worse. She short-changed me $0.01 from our last dinner...

Jokes aside, nah... it's just happens to be the common phrase I see people using? "Screw [Name], and your antics, and the horse you rode on."
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:47 pm

After you have killed how many civilians?

lol no
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Postby Medwind » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:49 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:After you have killed how many civilians?

lol no

*You* didn't, you could best be described as a tool, as you weren't even conscious during this.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:55 pm

I would grant her no reprieve, as she is a danger to those around her for as long as she remains alive. If she escapes prison, she can resume her rampage, which can result in the death of millions. Also, she gave her enemies no mercy, therefore she deserves none herself. The reasonable action is therefore execution.

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Postby Victorious Decepticons » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:03 pm

Delete her ASAP and without fanfare. She will surely attack again given half a chance. Death ensures that she never gets that chance.

Of course, I'd enjoy doing the killing because she made it personal when she hacked my mind, but I wouldn't let that tempt me to torture her. It takes time to commit torture, and any delay in the execution offers the chance that things will go wrong (for me), whether due to a trick or a flat-out fluke. Best to just blast her as fast as I can and be done with it.
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Postby Deutschess Kaiserreich » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:05 pm

Make an example of her so that more like here shall never dare.
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Postby Vallermoore » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:16 pm

I would have her executed by hanging.

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Postby The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:17 pm

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Postby Deutschess Kaiserreich » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:22 pm

Vallermoore wrote:I would have her executed by hanging.

A gunshot is more brutal and sudden. Especially if she's on her knees. Again, send a message.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:41 pm

The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:Stopped at "magic"


what's wrong with magic? =(

you don't like scenarios with magic? =(
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Postby Deutschess Kaiserreich » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:43 pm

Deutschess Kaiserreich wrote:
Vallermoore wrote:I would have her executed by hanging.

A gunshot is more brutal and sudden. Especially if she's on her knees. Again, send a message.

Also broadcast it.

oh shit I'm becoming a certain facist boi. Will stop now.
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Postby Pope Joan » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:51 pm

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