Was the New Left a Mistake?

[The New California Republic]

Did the hungry masse in third world reject the Marxist-Leninist state because of their State Atheist Policies? Did the French revolutionaries reject the removal of monarchs?, And did the Americans not harass supporters of the British crown?

What the hell does this have to do with anything?

Masses support these men only because of the dreams of a better life.

A better life free of sex?

Any ideology that doesn't offer comfort to people would never gain the majority's support in the first place.

Because enforced sexual frustration is "comfortable"(!)

The Masses in certain places at certain times won't care for everything usual to them, but solely care for the better conditions the system offer.

Better conditions like having the state stick its nose into the bedroom when it didn't previously?

Like any other system, people will tolerate systems until to doesn't give them the required economic and social freedoms.

You have basically refuted your entire proposed system with this statement.

[Communal concils]

Step two would be "The end justifies the Means". To gain power, a individual must appeal to as much demographics as possible. When they make the promises, they should give the people the desired thing.Every political decision becomes pragmatic or "Opportunistic".

"They should give the people the desired thing". Wow. Vague statement is vague.

Also, I thought we were being more serious. Of course your buddies like to make fun for the sake of proving a suppose superiority.

Whenever someone directs some criticism your way you just accuse them of not being serious. It is a shamelessly underhanded tactic on your part.

you don't really have any arguments at this point. It's only making fun because you see your own ideals as "Totally right and rational". If anything, you are not safe from all the things you accuse my arguments of.

I don't see a rebuke of my accusation that you are contradicting yourself; so I must assume that you agree with my assessment. And you are doing that thing again, whereby you accuse people of not being serious. Fucking shameless it is.

there is this thing called propaganda. People use it all the time. The Libertarian( including the New-Left and other "Libertarian Socialist") generally see it as a bad thing. But they use it themselves. Any media that has bias to a certain ideology is propaganda. I think that the only way to gain so much political support is through spreading your ideals as much as possible, and many individuals can be convinced.

There is no way that you will convince people that banning non-reproductive sex is a good thing. You haven't even managed to convince anyone on this thread for fuck's sake.

out of all the issues you focus on, you continue to focus on that single example.You may forget that their are large amount of people in certain parts of the world that see your ideals of "Love' as the greatest mistake in humanities existence.

Where? What backwater shitholes are you referring to?

Nearly everything you said in a nutshell: You are contradicting everything you said. why don't you try real criticism bro, like my comedy with out points or arguments. I call everything you do Contradiction, because it's contradiction, which is why it's contradiction. Everything I Think isn't contradiction is agreeing with me. I also have fun emoji comedy, because it's funny. Everything I say is better then your opinion, because it's funny. Also, this thread speaks for the entire internet and real world. But finally , I must disguise my Xenophobia as Progressiveness for the oppress people that will agree with me.

[Heloin]

Nearly everything you said in a nutshell: You are contradicting everything you said. why don't you try real criticism bro, like my comedy with out points or arguments. I call everything you do Contradiction, because it's contradiction, which is why it's contradiction. Everything I Think isn't contradiction is agreeing with me. I also have fun emoji comedy, because it's funny. Everything I say is better then your opinion, because it's funny. Also, this thread speaks for the entire internet and real world. But finally , I must disguise my Xenophobia as Progressiveness for the oppress people that will agree with me.

Just so you know matey, you may want to tone down with the over use of the Smilies in the future. It can be counted as spamming under site rules.

[The New California Republic]

Nearly everything you said in a nutshell: You are contradicting everything you said. why don't you try real criticism bro, like my comedy with out points or arguments.

Word salad.

I call everything you do Contradiction, because it's contradiction, which is why it's contradiction.

More word salad.

Everything I Think isn't contradiction is agreeing with me.

Even more word salad.

I also have fun emoji comedy, because it's funny.

Alright, I've had enough salad now, please stop...

Everything I say is better then your opinion, because it's funny.

*Retching from too much salad*

Also, this thread speaks for the entire internet and real world.

Thank god, some nonsense that isn't word salad.

But finally , I must disguise my Xenophobia as Progressiveness for the oppress people that will agree with me.

Oh no, here comes the word salad again. *gags*.

Smiley spam is generally frowned upon buddy.

[Heloin]

Nearly everything you said in a nutshell: You are contradicting everything you said. why don't you try real criticism bro, like my comedy with out points or arguments.

Word salad.

I call everything you do Contradiction, because it's contradiction, which is why it's contradiction.

More word salad.

Everything I Think isn't contradiction is agreeing with me.

Even more word salad.

I also have fun emoji comedy, because it's funny.

Alright, I've had enough salad now, please stop...

Everything I say is better then your opinion, because it's funny.

*Retching from too much salad*

Also, this thread speaks for the entire internet and real world.

Thank god, some nonsense that isn't word salad.

But finally , I must disguise my Xenophobia as Progressiveness for the oppress people that will agree with me.

Oh no, here comes the word salad again. *gags*.

Smiley spam is generally frowned upon buddy.

I can take some of that salad off you hands, I need some dinner anyways.

[Communal concils]

Nearly everything you said in a nutshell: You are contradicting everything you said. why don't you try real criticism bro, like my comedy with out points or arguments. I call everything you do Contradiction, because it's contradiction, which is why it's contradiction. Everything I Think isn't contradiction is agreeing with me. I also have fun emoji comedy, because it's funny. Everything I say is better then your opinion, because it's funny. Also, this thread speaks for the entire internet and real world. But finally , I must disguise my Xenophobia as Progressiveness for the oppress people that will agree with me.

Just so you know matey, you may want to tone down with the over use of the Smilies in the future. It can be counted as spamming under site rules.

This is the only time I have used so much in one post. I generally don't use smiles or anything similar to an emoji.

[The New California Republic]

I can take some of that salad off you hands, I need some dinner anyways.

Please do, there are huge heaps of it forming...

[Heloin]

Just so you know matey, you may want to tone down with the over use of the Smilies in the future. It can be counted as spamming under site rules.

This is the only time I have used so much in one post. I generally don't use smiles or anything similar to an emoji.

I've noticed, I was just giving you a friendly heads up for the future.

[Heloin]

I can take some of that salad off you hands, I need some dinner anyways.

Please do, there are huge heaps of it forming...

No matter how much I take it's clear that your meals for the next week are all going to include a salad.

[The New California Republic]

Please do, there are huge heaps of it forming...

No matter how much I take it's clear that your meals for the next week are all going to include a salad.

I'll do the capitalist thing by opening a salad bar.

[Communal concils]

I could say the same of your worldview.I could say that they are foolish, won't work, or go against Human Nature.From what I seen, you have not propose that much ideological thought to combat my own. As for this thread, it's mostly just three people fighting my arguments to the "End".
A important thing to know is that this single website would not represent the opinion of everyone in the world. I have talked to people that have similar views to my own, so my ideals are not isolated.

I don't care much about my ideological though and I'm not trying to convert you to it. You don't want people to point out the glaring flaws in every part of your ideology then defend the stranger parts of it by saying how you actually plan on convincing people of it.

As for this thread it's mostly just you shouting at the last three or four people who are willing to argue with the ideas but I digress.

I happen to think that Hitler was the scum of the Earth but agree on him on animal welfare issues. The problem is your version of big tent populism has points that are fervently opposed by differing ideologies and ideas that are highly unpopular with the overwhelming majority of all humans who have ever lived. You think you ideology is bigger then it is because some people agree with some points or the broad strokes.

1. I do want people to criticize me, but I want a more meaningful and better opponent. As for certain parts being weird, people Believe in unorthodox opinions all the time. If you were in 19th century Europe,People would call your ideals of same-sex marriage as foolish and illogical. a century later, and these countries allow it to exist. this virtual "Place" is almost a free market of ideals, and I am allowed to say anything that doesn't contradict website rules.

2. I have been in better debates, and I have had better opposition.

3. I don't see my ideals as being very popular, simply because such things usually don't get attention.
There are many ideologies that were seen as being impossible, but this didn't stop countless groups and organizations to rally under those ideals. There are most likely countless anarchist organizations, but were is their vision of society? Another thing to know is that every ideologue sees their ideology as bigger than reality. this is especially true to any school of thought within the political spectrum.

[Communal concils]

Nearly everything you said in a nutshell: You are contradicting everything you said. why don't you try real criticism bro, like my comedy with out points or arguments.

Word salad.

I call everything you do Contradiction, because it's contradiction, which is why it's contradiction.

More word salad.

Everything I Think isn't contradiction is agreeing with me.

Even more word salad.

I also have fun emoji comedy, because it's funny.

Alright, I've had enough salad now, please stop...

Everything I say is better then your opinion, because it's funny.

*Retching from too much salad*

Also, this thread speaks for the entire internet and real world.

Thank god, some nonsense that isn't word salad.

But finally , I must disguise my Xenophobia as Progressiveness for the oppress people that will agree with me.

Oh no, here comes the word salad again. *gags*.

Smiley spam is generally frowned upon buddy.

No Arguments, only Shitposting. Just say Salad, and you magically own the enemy.

[The New California Republic]

I do want people to criticize me, but I want a more meaningful and better opponent.

You'll get one, when your theories aren't full of holes and contradictions.

As for certain parts being weird, people Believe in unorthodox opinions all the time. If you were in 19th century Europe,People would call your ideals of same-sex marriage as foolish and illogical. a century latter, and these countries allow it to exist.

The banning non-reproductive sex thing will never fly.

this virtual "Place" is almost a free market of ideals, and I am allowed to say anything that doesn't contradict website rules.

But that doesn't mean that we aren't allowed to criticise you.

I have been in better debates, and I have had better opposition.

Nobody is forcing you to be here. The door is right there.

I don't see my ideals as being very popular, simply because such things usually don't get attention.

No, they are unpopular because they are shite, big difference.

There are many ideologies that were seen as being impossible, but this didn't stop countless groups and organizations to rally under those ideals.

You have failed to rally a single person to your cause thus far, so I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you...

[The New California Republic]

Word salad.


More word salad.


Even more word salad.


Alright, I've had enough salad now, please stop...


*Retching from too much salad*


Thank god, some nonsense that isn't word salad.


Oh no, here comes the word salad again. *gags*.


Smiley spam is generally frowned upon buddy.

No Arguments, only Shitposting. Just say Salad, and you magically own the enemy.

I can't offer a cogent argument against an incoherent mess, what a surprise.

[Heloin]

I don't care much about my ideological though and I'm not trying to convert you to it. You don't want people to point out the glaring flaws in every part of your ideology then defend the stranger parts of it by saying how you actually plan on convincing people of it.

As for this thread it's mostly just you shouting at the last three or four people who are willing to argue with the ideas but I digress.

I happen to think that Hitler was the scum of the Earth but agree on him on animal welfare issues. The problem is your version of big tent populism has points that are fervently opposed by differing ideologies and ideas that are highly unpopular with the overwhelming majority of all humans who have ever lived. You think you ideology is bigger then it is because some people agree with some points or the broad strokes.

1. I do want people to criticize me, but I want a more meaningful and better opponent.

Oh, yeah insult me!

As for certain parts being weird, people Believe in unorthodox opinions all the time. If you were in 19th century Europe,People would call your ideals of same-sex marriage as foolish and illogical. a century latter, and these countries allow it to exist. this virtual "Place" is almost a free market of ideals, and I am allowed to say anything that doesn't contradict website rules.

So your ideas are valid, only because you aren't being sent to prison for having them? That's a low bar to set for yourself.

2. I have been in better debates, and I have had better opposition.

Come on, insult me harder daddy!

3. I don't see my ideals as being very popular, simply because such things usually don't get attention.
There are many ideologies that were seen as being impossible, but this didn't stop countless groups and organizations to rally under those ideals. There are most likely countless anarchist organizations, but were is their vision of society? Another thing to know is that every ideologue sees their ideology as bigger than reality. this is especially true to any school of thought within the political spectrum.

I don't see the anti-sex idea being popular because it goes against millions of years of human instinct just because you find romantic relationships icky.

[Communal concils]

I do want people to criticize me, but I want a more meaningful and better opponent.

You'll get one, when your theories aren't full of holes and contradictions.

As for certain parts being weird, people Believe in unorthodox opinions all the time. If you were in 19th century Europe,People would call your ideals of same-sex marriage as foolish and illogical. a century latter, and these countries allow it to exist.

The banning non-reproductive sex thing will never fly.

this virtual "Place" is almost a free market of ideals, and I am allowed to say anything that doesn't contradict website rules.

But that doesn't mean that we aren't allowed to criticise you.

I have been in better debates, and I have had better opposition.

Nobody is forcing you to be here. The door is right there.

I don't see my ideals as being very popular, simply because such things usually don't get attention.

No, they are unpopular because they are shite, big difference.

There are many ideologies that were seen as being impossible, but this didn't stop countless groups and organizations to rally under those ideals.

You have failed to rally a single person to your cause thus far, so I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you...

Oh, there isn't even anything logical to talk about anymore. Just me against your Ego. If I had such a big ego to fill up this place, then it would look like everything you said.

[The New California Republic]

Oh, there isn't even anything logical to talk about anymore. Just me against your Ego.

I am criticising points of your ideology, so I don't see where ego comes into this.

If I had such a big ego to fill up this place, then it would look like everything you said.

The hell does this even mean?

In simple terms, it's now just foolish trolling.

Just to point out that there are rules related to trollnaming.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

You'll get one, when your theories aren't full of holes and contradictions.


The banning non-reproductive sex thing will never fly.


But that doesn't mean that we aren't allowed to criticise you.


Nobody is forcing you to be here. The door is right there.


No, they are unpopular because they are shite, big difference.


You have failed to rally a single person to your cause thus far, so I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you...

Oh, there isn't even anything logical to talk about anymore. Just me against your Ego. If I had such a big ego to fill up this place, then it would look like everything you said.

NCR has addressed and countered your every point and been nothing but constructive, if very critical , in debating your arguments. The fact that you still cannot adequately convey your reasoning and points is not his fault, and trying to brush them off as just being egotistical in order to avoid continued failure to adequately defend your points when put under scrutiny does not an argument make.

[Fajia Workers Combine]

I’ve been inspired by CC’s authoritarianism, though I am much more rational and coherent, and probably literate. I am now the dystopian CHINESE LEGALIST Worker’s Combine.

Feeling kinda cute, might abandon later.

[Farnhamia]

You'll get one, when your theories aren't full of holes and contradictions.


The banning non-reproductive sex thing will never fly.


But that doesn't mean that we aren't allowed to criticise you.


Nobody is forcing you to be here. The door is right there.


No, they are unpopular because they are shite, big difference.


You have failed to rally a single person to your cause thus far, so I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you...

Oh, there isn't even anything logical to talk about anymore. Just me against your Ego. If I had such a big ego to fill up this place, then it would look like everything you said.

It's nice to see that you realized the error of your ways and edited out the troll-naming. Remember, if you think someone is trolling, report them and let the Moderation Team sort it out. That's why we're here.

[Fajia Workers Combine]

Did the hungry masse in third world reject the Marxist-Leninist state because of their State Atheist Policies?

Speaking as someone who actually knows some history, Cambodian peasants rejected collectivism as soon as the Khmer Rouge was gone, and the Vietnamese installed Marxist government obliged them. Socialism for the for proletariat. If it’s carried into agriculture it will be because of the dissolution between country and city as Marx suggests, or the proletarianization of agriculture.

The Cambodian People’s Republic thenceforce dissolves it’s atheist policy, lacking a proper industrial base for socialism.

1.The answer would be No. Yes there were elements of society oppose to it, but this was stomped by support of the new order

History shows that social orders dissolve if the material basis for them doesn’t exist.

[Communal concils]

Did the hungry masse in third world reject the Marxist-Leninist state because of their State Atheist Policies?

Speaking as someone who actually knows some history, Cambodian peasants rejected collectivism as soon as the Khmer Rouge was gone, and the Vietnamese installed Marxist government obliged them. Socialism for the for proletariat. If it’s carried into agriculture it will be because of the dissolution between country and city as Marx suggests, or the proletarianization of agriculture.

The Cambodian People’s Republic thenceforce dissolves it’s atheist policy, lacking a proper industrial base for socialism.

1.The answer would be No. Yes there were elements of society oppose to it, but this was stomped by support of the new order

History shows that social orders dissolve if the material basis for them doesn’t exist.

okay, interesting

I would agree that large aspects of the old order would dissolve if the conditions were right.For example, the system of feudalism is extinct in the western or develop world.

[Communal concils]

Oh, there isn't even anything logical to talk about anymore. Just me against your Ego. If I had such a big ego to fill up this place, then it would look like everything you said.

NCR has addressed and countered your every point and been nothing but constructive, if very critical , in debating your arguments. The fact that you still cannot adequately convey your reasoning and points is not his fault, and trying to brush them off as just being egotistical in order to avoid continued failure to adequately defend your points when put under scrutiny does not an argument make.

NCR has not really tried to be complex with his own points. I have seen a attempt at denouncing everything I said as contradicting, and has drifted from the topic several times. Out of all your Gang, Fajia Workers Combine now seems like the best opposition at the moment. In many aspects, He's objection to my thought is more meaningful.

[Fajia Workers Combine]

Out of all your Gang, Fajia Workers Combine now seems like the best opposition at the moment. In many aspects, He's objection to my thought is more meaningful.

I recommend you read the Han Feizi since you seem unwilling to study anything Marxist. Here is a recommended chapter for you to read.
http://www2.iath.virginia.edu/saxon/ser ... =bilingual.

“Thought” is a misnomer. You have to actually make some effort to study reality. What you do is emote petty bourgeoisie idealism, much like a teenager emotes angst. In-order to accomplish your true state as an emo punk goth chick I want you to buy the clothing and listen to something like anime music. Something up tune. And then read some bad fan fiction and watch one of them anime children’s cartoons. I can’t personally recommend many since I have not watched many children’s cartoons so I will have to recommend Digimon series 1 and 3.

Reconnecting with your inner child may help you to become a human being.
I also recommend sex. Do you happen to like men? That might make things easier. At least in the sense that it could actually happen.

[The New California Republic]

NCR has not really tried to be complex with his own points.

If you keep throwing nonsensical word salad in front of me then what do you expect?

And as has been pointed out to you, I have countered all of your other points in a reasoned manner.

I have seen a attempt at denouncing everything I said as contradicting

Because it is...

and has drifted from the topic several times.

Not really.

Out of all your Gang, Fajia Workers Combine...

Gang?