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Haftar, he's a dictator, but he's an awesome dictator
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Government of the National Accord - they'll accord a very strongly worded letter
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National Salvation Government - it's time for Sharia for Africa!
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Hasslehoff, even in Libya he's more popular than ISIS or WASWAS
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Haftar to Take Over Libya

Postby Shofercia » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:47 pm

Or rather, what's left of Libya for him to take over. Ever since the introduction of Democracy Most Glorious to Libya by the Obama Administration, things haven't been good. Ethnic cleansing, open air slave markets, constant gunfire, and a sprinkle of ISIS have somewhat dampened the Libyans' enthusiasm for the Birth Pangs of Democracy. But have no fear, for Haftar is here! Who is Haftar?

Like Khadaffi, he grew very fond of Libya's Military, but was part of the units that lost the Toyota War to Chad. Someone's head needed to roll, and so Khadaffi rolled Haftar's head. Prior to that, Haftar idolized Khadaffi, but being betrayed by your idol makes you angry at your idol, and Haftar was not a fan. But ever since he took over roughly three quarters of Libya, he's grown a bit impatient of UN's monitoring of the situation. On the other hand, the pro-Western Government can barely control a twentieth of the country. Ouch. And Haftar, also aided by Ghadaffi's son, Saif Al-Islam, is marching on Tripoli. Why is this so familiar? Something about Contras, Sandinistas, and Nicaragua comes to mind. Anyways, here's a map:

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Haftar & Company: Red
UN Recognized Government: Green
Islamists: Different Green & less of it
Indie Fighters: Blue
Others: Other Colors - duh!

And a very strongly worded tweet by the UN Representative:

I am deeply concerned by the military movement taking place in Libya and the risk of confrontation. There is no military solution. Only intra-Libyan dialogue can solve Libyan problems. I call for calm and restraint as I prepare to meet the Libyan leaders in the country.


Remember folks, he's deeply concerned. Al Jazz, sound off: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/04/ ... 17912.html

Libyan army commander Khalifa Haftar on Thursday ordered his eastern military forces to advance on Tripoli, the capital of the UN-backed government, sparking fears of a major showdown with rival militias. Haftar, who commands the Libya National Army (LNA) from its eastern base of Benghazi, earlier took over the town of Gharyan, a town 100km south of the capital, Tripoli, signifying an escalation in the years-long power struggle in Libya. In an audio recording posted on the LNA's media office Facebook page, Haftar described his forces' move as a "victorious march" to "shake the lands under the feet of the unjust bunch."

"We are coming Tripoli, we are coming," he said. Haftar urged his forces to enter the city peacefully and only raise their weapons "in the face of those who seek injustice and prefer confrontation and fighting." He also urged his forces not to open fire on any civilians or those who are unarmed. "Those who lay down their weapons are safe, and those who raise the white banner are safe," he said.

The audio recording came as UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres visited the North African country and expressed fears of new confrontations. It put at risk upcoming peace talks brokered by the UN aimed at drawing a roadmap for new elections. The oil-rich country, which has been in turmoil since the NATO-backed removal of its long-time ruler Muammar Gaddafi in 2011, has at least two rival administrations: the internationally recognised government based in Tripoli, headed by Prime Minister Fayez al-Serraj; and another in the eastern city of Tobruk, which is allied with the renegade general Haftar.


CNBC, whatcha got? https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/04/libyan- ... o-war.html

Libya’s eastern military leader has ordered his forces to march on Tripoli, sparking concerns that open war could soon break out between the main political factions in a key oil-producing nation. The OPEC member state has been riven by conflict since the fall of dictator Muammar Qaddafi in 2011. For much of that time, General Khalifa Haftar has held the country’s east, drawing support from Egypt and the United Arab Emirates and serving as a foil to the United Nations-recognized government in the capital of Tripoli. The two sides have been engaged in UN-sponsored power-sharing talks. But on Wednesday, Haftar’s Libyan National Army unexpectedly advanced towards Tripoli. Skirmishes between the LNA and forces loyal to Prime Minister Fayez al-Serraj have since been reported, including in the city of Gharyan south of Tripoli.


Oh CNBC, hate to break it to you, but, erm, that town's been taken. Quite easily. By Haftar. CNN, care to chime in? https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/04/africa/l ... index.html

A renegade Libyan general has ordered troops to advance on capital city Tripoli, the base of the country's United Nations-backed government, the Government of National Accord. Eight years after the fall of strongman leader Moammar Gadhafi, the North African country is mired in violence and split into rival administrations. The administration of General Khalifa Haftar, in eastern Libya, is often at odds with the Western-backed government based in Tripoli.

Also in the mix are multiple tribes competing for control of Libya's dwindling oil wealth, as well as militant groups, including ISIS, scattered across the vast country. "To our army stationed on the border of Tripoli today, we continue the march of struggle and response to the appeal of our people in the capital as we promised them," said Haftar, who heads the so-called Libyan National Army (LNA), in an audio recording posted on his media office's Facebook account.


Ahh yes, a "renegade" Libyan General that controls about three quarter of the country. I'm guessing that General Grant was also a "renegade" general - never change CNN. Fox News - show 'em how it's done: https://www.foxnews.com/world/the-lates ... to-tripoli

Libyan army commander Khalifa Hifter in an audio recording posted online has ordered his forces to march to Tripoli, the capital of the U.N.-backed government. Hifter, who commands the so-called Libya National Army based in the east, described his forces' move as a "victorious march" to "shake the lands under the feet of the unjust bunch." He ordered forces not to open fire on any civilians saying, "whoever raises the white banner is safe." His forces have taken over the town of Gharyan, 50 kilometers (31 miles) from Tripoli.


Hifter? Do you guys not know how to spell over there at Vulpes News? I bet he's not been called that one before. So, what does NSG think about all of this? I say good on Haftar - enough of this incompetent bullshit. The UN, pro-Western Government, and all that jazz had five fucking years to get their act together, and what was the result? Petty squabbling. Enough is enough.

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Postby Far Easter Republic » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:53 pm

A)Never herd of him
B)He sounds like Gaddafi 2.0
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Postby Badb Catha » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:54 pm

This is welcome news. Libya is to belong once more to the Libyan Berbers - free of Wahhabist and Western interference, hopefully.
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Postby Far Easter Republic » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:56 pm

Badb Catha wrote:This is welcome news. Libya is to belong once more to the Libyan Berbers - free of Wahhabist and Western interference, hopefully.

Don't worry. The fact the he's a dictator will just means he will get his but handed to by NATO.
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Postby First American Empire » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:56 pm

I don't care who* wins, I just want the war to be over. The Libyan Civil War has gone on long enough. If Haftar can win the war, at least it'll bring peace.

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Postby The Rapture Republic » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:57 pm

We should haven’t intervened in the first place that goes for all mindless interventionist wars. Let people solve their own problems for once. Even if they can’t, oh well, we have more important issues like healthcare, border security, jobs, and fixing crippling infrastructure.
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Postby Badb Catha » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:57 pm

Far Easter Republic wrote:
Badb Catha wrote:This is welcome news. Libya is to belong once more to the Libyan Berbers - free of Wahhabist and Western interference, hopefully.

Don't worry. The fact the he's a dictator will just means he will get his but handed to by NATO.


They have destroyed that country enough already. They should mind their own business.
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Far Easter Republic wrote:
Badb Catha wrote:This is welcome news. Libya is to belong once more to the Libyan Berbers - free of Wahhabist and Western interference, hopefully.

Don't worry. The fact the he's a dictator will just means he will get his but handed to by NATO.


How'd that work out last time?
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Postby Far Easter Republic » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:59 pm

Badb Catha wrote:
Far Easter Republic wrote:Don't worry. The fact the he's a dictator will just means he will get his but handed to by NATO.


They have destroyed that country enough already. They should mind their own business.

Try telling NATO that. They will tell you your nuts.
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Postby Slotted Floppies » Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:02 pm

Libya should be returned to Italy to administer. With stable governance being good for Libya and a place for economic migrants to live good for Italy.
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Postby Auvis » Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:03 pm

Well, if Haftar can bring some order to Libya, then he should be in charge. I don't like dictators, but he's what they need right now.
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Postby Badb Catha » Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:03 pm

Far Easter Republic wrote:
Badb Catha wrote:
They have destroyed that country enough already. They should mind their own business.

Try telling NATO that. They will tell you your nuts.


NATO should be disbanded. It is a force for evil.
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Postby Duhon » Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:03 pm

Can we just say Gadhafi is a sun-addled piece of shit who's getting the bishie sparkle treatment now due to what succeeded his dead trussed ass?

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Postby Aureumterra » Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:04 pm

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Postby Auvis » Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:04 pm

Badb Catha wrote:
Far Easter Republic wrote:Try telling NATO that. They will tell you your nuts.


NATO should be disbanded. It is a force for evil.

I just want NATO to stay around just in case some random failed artist looks at Europe and says, "I think I'll blitz that."
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:05 pm

Haftar was my preferred choice after Gaddafi loyalists so that's not a bad outcome in my eyes.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:05 pm

Duhon wrote:Can we just say Gadhafi is a sun-addled piece of shit who's getting the bishie sparkle treatment now due to what succeeded his dead trussed ass?


No. There was no migrant crisis when Ghaddafi was still kicking. Libya was better in 2009 than it is right now.
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Duhon wrote:Can we just say Gadhafi is a sun-addled piece of shit who's getting the bishie sparkle treatment now due to what succeeded his dead trussed ass?


Why exactly is he so 'terrible'? His only faults were his Socialist and Pan-African beliefs, unless you know something I do not?
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Postby First American Empire » Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:05 pm

Badb Catha wrote:
Far Easter Republic wrote:Try telling NATO that. They will tell you your nuts.


NATO should be disbanded. It is a force for evil.


Says the literal self-proclaimed fascist.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:06 pm

1) May Allah SWT bring Al-Islam back into Libya, aameen
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Postby Badb Catha » Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:06 pm

First American Empire wrote:
Badb Catha wrote:
NATO should be disbanded. It is a force for evil.


Says the literal self-proclaimed fascist.


Fascism is not evil.
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Postby Auvis » Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:07 pm

Badb Catha wrote:
First American Empire wrote:
Says the literal self-proclaimed fascist.


Fascism is not evil.

Tell that to WW2 Europe.
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A general winning a civil war, who would have guessed

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Postby Vetalia » Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:10 pm

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Postby Badb Catha » Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:11 pm

Auvis wrote:
Badb Catha wrote:
Fascism is not evil.

Tell that to WW2 Europe.


What evil did Fascism commit in WWII?
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