Brunei plans to pass law to stone homosexuals

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Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/28/world/asia/brunei-stoning-death.html

So recently Brunei has in a statement by the nations attorney general that they will begin to punish homosexuality and adultery with public stoning. Brunei had announced this years earlier but this law was delayed due to international criticism. But in a statement it has been announced this law will go into effect on April 3rd. It is part of their new Sharia penal code but will apply to Muslims and Non Muslims.

I am personally disgusted by this. Stoning is bad enough and homosexuality should not be punished like this and I honestly do hope the international community condemns this harshly. But those are my thoughts so NSG what do you all think about this?

Edit: Also quick note Brunei made this statement that they were going through with this 4 months ago. They were just so low key about it we did not pick up on it until now.

[Purpelia]

what do you all think about this?

I consider this to be morally wrong and I would newer support it if it was tried in my nation. But I respect and support the right of the people of Brunei to disagree with me and run their nation as they see fit.

[Greater Westralia]

This is horrifying. Criminalising homosexuality is bad enough, but public stoning?

I hope our government exerts some pressure on Brunei. Perhaps sanctions if necessary.

[Dresderstan]

It's awful, absolutely appalling.

[Great Eddy]

This is immoral and hateful.

[Third Asopia]

Guys, do note that Brunei is a Muslim country. In the Koran, there are probably laws against homosexuality and adultery. While the Bible doesn't actually condemn homo(probably), it does condemn adultery. So, we need to respect each other's laws and regulations, especially the religious ones as breaking it may be severe. Brunei wants to do so because by not doing so, they may not be respecting Islam although they are a Muslim country.

[Gormwood]

I thought I heard the Sultan is notorious for sexual crimes. There was a Time magazine long ago with a bit about a former beauty pageant contestant who claims he tried to assault her.

But as long as you're not cheating on a spouse guess all that is fine.

[Gormwood]

Guys, do note that Brunei is a Muslim country. In the Koran, there are probably laws against homosexuality and adultery. While the Bible doesn't actually condemn homo(probably), it does condemn adultery. So, we need to respect each other's laws and regulations, especially the religious ones as breaking it may be severe. Brunei wants to do so because by not doing so, they may not be respecting Islam although they are a Muslim country.

Clearly all Muslims, especially Americans are exactly the same as the Sultan of Brunei.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Ah nothing like actually regressing as a country

[Dresderstan]

Guys, do note that Brunei is a Muslim country. In the Koran, there are probably laws against homosexuality and adultery. While the Bible doesn't actually condemn homo(probably), it does condemn adultery. So, we need to respect each other's laws and regulations, especially the religious ones as breaking it may be severe. Brunei wants to do so because by not doing so, they may not be respecting Islam although they are a Muslim country.

Doesn't make it okay. Also it is to apply to non-Muslims as well, and it's still immoral and wrong to kill people for being gay.

[Samudera Darussalam]

It is part of their new Sharia penal code but will apply to Muslims and Non Muslims.

Well, if they really want to implement this kind of law, why do they bring non-Muslims in? As far as I know, sharia only applies to Muslims.

Aside that, I'm not really surprised, given that like what OP said, Brunei has been planning to legitimize this law for years. While I'm not for it, if the citizens of Brunei are really supporting this law I can't do anything.

[San Montalbano]

It is part of their new Sharia penal code but will apply to Muslims and Non Muslims.

Well, if they really want to implement this kind of law, why do they bring non-Muslims in? As far as I know, sharia only applies to Muslims.

Aside that, I'm not really surprised, given that like what OP said, Brunei has been planning to legitimize this law for years. While I'm not for it, if the citizens of Brunei are really supporting this law I can't do anything.

lol what?

[Internationalist Bastard]

It is part of their new Sharia penal code but will apply to Muslims and Non Muslims.

Well, if they really want to implement this kind of law, why do they bring non-Muslims in? As far as I know, sharia only applies to Muslims.

Aside that, I'm not really surprised, given that like what OP said, Brunei has been planning to legitimize this law for years. While I'm not for it, if the citizens of Brunei are really supporting this law I can't do anything.

Because it’s rather hard to actually be a theocracy that respects different world views

[Great Eddy]

Guys, do note that Brunei is a Muslim country. In the Koran, there are probably laws against homosexuality and adultery. While the Bible doesn't actually condemn homo(probably), it does condemn adultery. So, we need to respect each other's laws and regulations, especially the religious ones as breaking it may be severe. Brunei wants to do so because by not doing so, they may not be respecting Islam although they are a Muslim country.

Doesn't stoning someone seem harsh though? If they simply outlawed but decriminalised it due to religious belief, i'd be fine with that and would respect their choice but this new law is outrageous.

[Costa Fierro]

Well, if they really want to implement this kind of law, why do they bring non-Muslims in? As far as I know, sharia only applies to Muslims.

Probably so someone who does happen to violate Sharia somehow can be prosecuted even though they're not Muslim.

[Ifreann]

what do you all think about this?

I consider this to be morally wrong and I would newer support it if it was tried in my nation. But I respect and support the right of the people of Brunei to disagree with me and run their nation as they see fit.

Do the people of Brunei get much say in the running of their country?

[Gormwood]

Is this going to turn into a diatribe on Islam and all Muslims, including the ones living in the United States and New Zealand?

[Medwind]

Guys, do note that Brunei is a Muslim country. In the Koran, there are probably laws against homosexuality and adultery. While the Bible doesn't actually condemn homo(probably), it does condemn adultery. So, we need to respect each other's laws and regulations, especially the religious ones as breaking it may be severe. Brunei wants to do so because by not doing so, they may not be respecting Islam although they are a Muslim country.

The Bible clearly condemns homosexuality.

[San Montalbano]

Guys, do note that Brunei is a Muslim country. In the Koran, there are probably laws against homosexuality and adultery. While the Bible doesn't actually condemn homo(probably), it does condemn adultery. So, we need to respect each other's laws and regulations, especially the religious ones as breaking it may be severe. Brunei wants to do so because by not doing so, they may not be respecting Islam although they are a Muslim country.

The Bible clearly condemns homosexuality.

when's the last time you heard of Christians executing gay people en masse....

[The Rapture Republic]

Horrific. However, every country has the right to rule how they choose, regardless of what they are currently doing within there own borders and what the world thinks. This what anti-interventionist folks have accept, not condone but accept, if we want the world to continue existing.

Although on a small note, why don’t they just deport them?

[Internationalist Bastard]

Guys, do note that Brunei is a Muslim country. In the Koran, there are probably laws against homosexuality and adultery. While the Bible doesn't actually condemn homo(probably), it does condemn adultery. So, we need to respect each other's laws and regulations, especially the religious ones as breaking it may be severe. Brunei wants to do so because by not doing so, they may not be respecting Islam although they are a Muslim country.

Doesn't stoning someone seem harsh though? If they simply outlawed but decriminalised it due to religious belief, i'd be fine with that and would respect their choice but this new law is outrageous.

Welcome to the world of radical idealism

[Andsed]

It is part of their new Sharia penal code but will apply to Muslims and Non Muslims.

Well, if they really want to implement this kind of law, why do they bring non-Muslims in? As far as I know, sharia only applies to Muslims.

Aside that, I'm not really surprised, given that like what OP said, Brunei has been planning to legitimize this law for years. While I'm not for it, if the citizens of Brunei are really supporting this law I can't do anything.

No idea but that is what all my sources were saying. Muslims do make up 2/3rds of the population so I am guessing they just did not want to have multiple separate sets of laws. That or they are religious extremist. I mean Brunei sultan is not exactly known to be all that tolerant

[Gormwood]

I consider this to be morally wrong and I would newer support it if it was tried in my nation. But I respect and support the right of the people of Brunei to disagree with me and run their nation as they see fit.

Do the people of Brunei get much say in the running of their country?

Clearly democracy is number one in a sultanate.

[Third Asopia]

Guys, do note that Brunei is a Muslim country. In the Koran, there are probably laws against homosexuality and adultery. While the Bible doesn't actually condemn homo(probably), it does condemn adultery. So, we need to respect each other's laws and regulations, especially the religious ones as breaking it may be severe. Brunei wants to do so because by not doing so, they may not be respecting Islam although they are a Muslim country.

Doesn't make it okay. Also it is to apply to non-Muslims as well, and it's still immoral and wrong to kill people for being gay.

I do know that, but homosexuality may be looked down upon in Brunei. So, if you want to be homosexual, take it somewhere else. If you're not a non-Muslim, it is still respectful to obey their orders. I mean like, if you complained to the EU leader/chairperson about the passage of Article 13 and then start a rant or riot, then you will be a target for them. So, the best thing is you either follow their regulations or move somewhere else. If you really can't make a choice, then consult your fiance. And don't accuse the sultan. The sultan has the power to do anything good or bad to the nation. You can't complain actually, if the citizens are in favour.

[Ors Might]

Great. Another country where you can get butchered for some naughty diddlin’.

what do you all think about this?

I consider this to be morally wrong and I would newer support it if it was tried in my nation. But I respect and support the right of the people of Brunei to disagree with me and run their nation as they see fit.

Friendly reminder that cultural relativism outside of anthropology is a spook.