by The Multiversal Species Alliance » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:25 pm
by Soviet Technocracy2 » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:32 pm
by Heloin » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:37 pm
by American Pere Housh » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:39 pm
The Multiversal Species Alliance wrote:Why is democracy so widely seen as a good and/or great form of government? What has been it’s fruits?
I’m an American, maybe I’ve just never lived under other government forms, but to me democracy just doesn’t seem that great, it’s the system that elects socialists and communists who, historically speaking, have devastated economies and entire countries and societies and caused immense human misery. To quote Pinochet: “democracy is the system that chooses Barabbas over Jesus”
What do y’all think, NSG?
by The Black Party » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:40 pm
Heloin wrote:It's always those who have only lived in democracy's that complain loudest at the faults of that system. I grew up in a dictatorship and can tell you that it's a shit place to live. There are a few people on NS who currently live in dictatorships and can tell you that they make life needlessly shit.
Also defending your point by quoting Pinochet proves you don't have the strongest grasp on what his Chile looked like.
by Yusseria » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:41 pm
by LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:41 pm
by LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:43 pm
The Black Party wrote:Heloin wrote:It's always those who have only lived in democracy's that complain loudest at the faults of that system. I grew up in a dictatorship and can tell you that it's a shit place to live. There are a few people on NS who currently live in dictatorships and can tell you that they make life needlessly shit.
Also defending your point by quoting Pinochet proves you don't have the strongest grasp on what his Chile looked like.
Anecdotal evidence should just be thrown out the window.
Which dictatorship have you lived under?
by Caveman thog » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:45 pm
by Ifreann » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:46 pm
by LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:47 pm
Yusseria wrote:Democracy is typically only idolized as much as it is in the West. I mean, sure, democracies exist in Africa, Asia and South America but more often than not they're authoritarian states that lack the strong democratic traditions of the West. And why not? China alone is proof that democracy is not the only way forward.
by The United Remnants of America » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:49 pm
by Yusseria » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:49 pm
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Yusseria wrote:Democracy is typically only idolized as much as it is in the West. I mean, sure, democracies exist in Africa, Asia and South America but more often than not they're authoritarian states that lack the strong democratic traditions of the West. And why not? China alone is proof that democracy is not the only way forward.
If you don't mind not having rights, dealing with unaccountable corrupt officials, and potentially being persecuted for having a certain ideas.
by Heloin » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:53 pm
The Black Party wrote:Heloin wrote:It's always those who have only lived in democracy's that complain loudest at the faults of that system. I grew up in a dictatorship and can tell you that it's a shit place to live. There are a few people on NS who currently live in dictatorships and can tell you that they make life needlessly shit.
Also defending your point by quoting Pinochet proves you don't have the strongest grasp on what his Chile looked like.
Anecdotal evidence should just be thrown out the window.
Which dictatorship have you lived under?
by Soviet Technocracy2 » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:54 pm
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:If you don't mind not having rights, dealing with unaccountable corrupt officials, and potentially being persecuted for having a certain ideas.
by LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:54 pm
Yusseria wrote:LiberNovusAmericae wrote:If you don't mind not having rights, dealing with unaccountable corrupt officials, and potentially being persecuted for having a certain ideas.
I'm not saying its my personal preference. I'm just saying that democracy is not the only viable option for a 21st century government. Other societies don't value democracy as much and that's fine. Societies should decide for themselves what style of government they want. If they don't want democracy then it should not be forced upon them.
by Salus Maior » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:55 pm
The Multiversal Species Alliance wrote:Why is democracy so widely seen as a good and/or great form of government? What has been it’s fruits?
by Heloin » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:56 pm
Soviet Technocracy2 wrote:LiberNovusAmericae wrote:If you don't mind not having rights, dealing with unaccountable corrupt officials, and potentially being persecuted for having a certain ideas.
China is working on the whole corruption thing. It requires rule of law which they are in the process of developing.
by Aressna » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:56 pm
by LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:58 pm
Soviet Technocracy2 wrote:LiberNovusAmericae wrote:If you don't mind not having rights, dealing with unaccountable corrupt officials, and potentially being persecuted for having a certain ideas.
China is working on the whole corruption thing. It requires rule of law which they are in the process of developing.
by Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:00 pm
Aressna wrote:Switzerland's democracy, in my humble opinion, is one of the best in the world. Citizens have much more power, and the country is governed by a council of people from different ideologies and parties. Citizens vote on various matters of federal importance, and routinely participate in referendums and other votes on other government levels.
Of course, I have never been to Switzerland, nor discussed politics extensively with a native, so I'm not exactly sure how good it actually is, but from what I've read I can say their democracy is very close to democracy's definition.
by Salus Maior » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:00 pm
by Soviet Technocracy2 » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:01 pm
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I doubt it. Those party cronies aren't going to give up their power.
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