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Gods of Truth and Justice Scenario

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What do you do?

1. It was 100% all my fault since I killed lots of innocents. I should be glad to still exist at all (Accept my humble status in the new order of things, overall be quite positive about this)
7
30%
2. Their attitude greatly annoys me and I feel my treatment is at least partly unjustified, but I’m too scared and broken to rebel again; plus if I fail again they’re going to wreck me this time. (Very begrudgingly I accept my new humbled status in the new order of things, I will stew in resentment every day as the Gods tell me what to do)
2
9%
3. I was a Mistake? LET ME SHOW YOU! I am greater and more powerful than any of you, HOW DARE YOU TREAT ME LIKE THIS! (Begin plotting against the Gods again, start another world war when the time is right)
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Gods of Truth and Justice Scenario

Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:28 pm

Please consider the following hypothetical:

In the beginning, there was nothing. However, the Supreme Creator (who is all-powerful) created the universe and the Earth.

You are among the Supreme Creator’s first creations, one of the Gods of Truth and Justice. There are about three dozen such Gods but you are by far the most powerful and the most intelligent of the lot.

The Supreme Creator then created mankind and attempted to guide them towards the path of righteousness. However, over thousands of years mankind continues to war, sin, commit idolatry and overall make a giant mess.

Finally, the Supreme Creator gets sick of this project so he leaves, vowing never to return. The remaining Gods govern Earth, largely using the Supreme Creator’s prescribed largely hands off approach.

At this point, you decide that humanity has had its chance and its time to for the Gods to take over. In direct contravention of the Supreme Creator’s last edict (which is that you are to guide but not lead mankind), you take a physical form, enter the mortal realm and start building an Empire. Several of the Gods are “corrupted” and join you in your quest for power.

Your attempt at world domination results in the deaths of millions of people as you launch a war of aggression and conquest. You take over most of the world with a giant army of zombies, dragons, wraiths, and fire demons.

Finally, the rest of the Gods band up, enter the mortal realm too and take you and your Empire down (resulting in the destruction of a large part of creation). You put up a very good fight but it is simply too much. Your entire army is destroyed by the might of the Gods and the mortal heroes overrun everything you control.

Realizing that you have lost and in a state of complete desperation and fear, you throw yourself before the other Gods and beg for mercy and forgiveness.

The other Gods considered casting you into the Eternal Flames but decide to give you a chance. You are imprisoned for 8,000 years and then released after you have shown sufficient remorse, humility, and repentance. During this time, you have become known amongst the mortal world as a demon and the ultimate representation of all that is evil. The mortals have formed a religion in which you are the sole cause of Original Sin (which is untrue).

After your sentence of 8,000 years is done you read out a long speech of Remorse and Repentance. The other Gods then formally declare that you have been Forgiven.

Afterwards, the other Gods treat you with a great deal of condescension and disdain (maybe understandably, since you did kill millions of people and attempt complete domination of the planet). Despite being more powerful and more intelligent than them, you are relegated to doing drudge work in the administration of the planet and there is an understanding this will be all you will be doing as penance. In the meantime, the other Gods never resist an opportunity to show direct or indirect hostility towards you. This goes on for some time and shows no signs of abating.

It’s the “harmless” kind but basically they’re directly/indirectly saying to you:

“You are a mistake. The Supreme Creator should never have created you. You have repented? GOOD. We could have just thrown you into the Eternal Flames, in fact, we should have and you’d deserve it.”

They act as if you own your very existence to them and that you should repay that with infinite servility and humility. Righteous or not, this doesn’t necessarily sit well with you.

You begin to at least consider the possibility of starting another war against these holier-than-thou Gods. You estimate that your odds of success are maybe from 40-60 percent, it’s a bit higher than last time because some of these Gods have decayed over time.

However, such a war would result in the further death of millions of mortals. Maybe you’re Reformed and don’t want to open this door again.

And very obviously, you know that if you are defeated again, then this time you’re 100% done for. Eternal banishment into the Flames is a fate much worse than death (and it goes on forever). Basically, you’d be risking literally everything.

What do you do?

Please consider the situation from the point of view of someone who has gone through all of the above. Please discuss what you would do and justify.


The poll is set as follows (there is no Other because either you plot/wage war or you don’t, there is no effective way for you to cheat the uncertain 40-60 odds of winning, waiting further doesn't further improve your odds because you too will decay):

1. It was 100% all my fault since I killed lots of innocents. I should be glad to still exist at all (Accept my humble status in the new order of things, overall be quite positive about this)

2. Their attitude greatly annoys me and I feel my treatment is at least partly unjustified, but I’m too scared and broken to rebel again; plus if I fail again they’re going to wreck me this time. (Very begrudgingly I accept my new humbled status in the new order of things, I will stew in resentment every day as the Gods tell me what to do)

3. I was a Mistake? LET ME SHOW YOU! I am greater and more powerful than any of you, HOW DARE YOU TREAT ME LIKE THIS! (Begin plotting against the Gods again, start another world war when the time is right)


I do not deal very well with resentment. So for me, I’m going to start the war again.

Maybe its childish, maybe its emotional and maybe it even leads to my eternal damnation, but I would not be able to let go of my pride and resentment. They made me beg for my life earlier (that hurts) and now they act superior all the time. That’s going to direct my actions far more than anything else. Their mercy is a debt I shall not carry.

In this scenario I imagine at this point the lives and deaths of mortals mean very little to an entity like me.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:53 pm

I don't remember this Bond movie.
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What do we have that they should want?
We have a wall to work upon!
We have work and they have none
And our work is never done
My children, my children
And the war is never won

The enemy is poverty
And the wall keeps out the enemy
And we build the wall to keep us free
That's why we build the wall
We build the wall to keep us free
We build the wall to keep us free

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Postby Woodfiredpizzas » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:56 pm

Kefka did you find a new favourite series?
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:57 pm

Woodfiredpizzas wrote:Kefka did you find a new favourite series?


Its still Game of Thrones/ASOIF

Why would you say?
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:59 pm

What kind of weird Anime did you watch this time IM?


Anyways, screw option 3, I'd probably be option one because I would probably be "Corrupted" if I did something that evil that's just not me.

I may steal a small thing of food or something, but murdering millions is far beyond the drawn line.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:01 pm

^
^

Eh?

Its a rework/retooling of the extended Lord of the Rings universe/Christian tradition into a workable hypothetical with real life parallels/themes.

Its not completely the same as either (details had to be changed) but that's what I worked it out from.
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:03 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:^
^

Eh?

Its a rework/retooling of the extended Lord of the Rings universe/Christian tradition into a workable hypothetical with real life parallels/themes.

Its not completely the same as either (details had to be changed) but that's what I worked it out from.

Still weird as shit and makes me think weed was recently legalized in your area.
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We are not Ba'athist, a Caliphate, or an Islamic Theocracy, we just so happen to be Arab/Muslim Majority.
I don't use NS Stats, but they do give a somewhat OK idea of what my nation is like
If I fuck up on anything, please correct me.
Yes, I did fit Forum 7 into my canon. (It's near the bottom)
Baghdad Times: Border Skirmish near Iskenderun leaves 120 dead, most of the casualties were Eurasians defending vital intel that shows an invasion plan of Iraqi Kurdistan. Troops mobilize in Sinai as "Operation Ishaq" is being prepared. Saddam is at his antics again as he robs an entire train for a bag of chips.

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:05 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:^
^

Eh?

Its a rework/retooling of the extended Lord of the Rings universe/Christian tradition into a workable hypothetical with real life parallels/themes.

Its not completely the same as either (details had to be changed) but that's what I worked it out from.

Don't tell me you actually read the Silmarillion.
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What do we have that they should want?
We have a wall to work upon!
We have work and they have none
And our work is never done
My children, my children
And the war is never won

The enemy is poverty
And the wall keeps out the enemy
And we build the wall to keep us free
That's why we build the wall
We build the wall to keep us free
We build the wall to keep us free

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Postby Foxfound » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:05 pm

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:^
^

Eh?

Its a rework/retooling of the extended Lord of the Rings universe/Christian tradition into a workable hypothetical with real life parallels/themes.

Its not completely the same as either (details had to be changed) but that's what I worked it out from.

Still weird as shit and makes me think weed was recently legalized in your area.

It's still an interesting scenario, though I admit this one makes a lot more assumptions about your morality than a lot of IM's other ones.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:05 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:^
^

Eh?

Its a rework/retooling of the extended Lord of the Rings universe/Christian tradition into a workable hypothetical with real life parallels/themes.

Its not completely the same as either (details had to be changed) but that's what I worked it out from.

Don't tell me you actually read the Silmarillion.


Why not?
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:08 pm

Foxfound wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:Still weird as shit and makes me think weed was recently legalized in your area.

It's still an interesting scenario, though I admit this one makes a lot more assumptions about your morality than a lot of IM's other ones.

Yes.

For one, I would try to avoid murdering millions.

Or disobey the very being that created me.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:08 pm

Honestly, I feel that being capable of Option 1 is quite admirable.

Its a challenging one.
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:09 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:Honestly, I feel that being capable of Option 1 is quite admirable.

Its a challenging one.

Not really, you just need basic morality.
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We are not Ba'athist, a Caliphate, or an Islamic Theocracy, we just so happen to be Arab/Muslim Majority.
I don't use NS Stats, but they do give a somewhat OK idea of what my nation is like
If I fuck up on anything, please correct me.
Yes, I did fit Forum 7 into my canon. (It's near the bottom)
Baghdad Times: Border Skirmish near Iskenderun leaves 120 dead, most of the casualties were Eurasians defending vital intel that shows an invasion plan of Iraqi Kurdistan. Troops mobilize in Sinai as "Operation Ishaq" is being prepared. Saddam is at his antics again as he robs an entire train for a bag of chips.

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Postby Foxfound » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:10 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:Honestly, I feel that being capable of Option 1 is quite admirable.

Its a challenging one.

As usual, there's a difference between what we'd like to think we'd do and what we'd actually do.

I'm not really sure what route I'd take. On the one hand I don't think I'm the kind of person that would start such a horrible war, but on the other hand in this scenario I was clearly capable of doing it once.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:12 pm

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:Honestly, I feel that being capable of Option 1 is quite admirable.

Its a challenging one.

Not really, you just need basic morality.


what about your resentment?
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:13 pm

Foxfound wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:Honestly, I feel that being capable of Option 1 is quite admirable.

Its a challenging one.

As usual, there's a difference between what we'd like to think we'd do and what we'd actually do.

I'm not really sure what route I'd take. On the one hand I don't think I'm the kind of person that would start such a horrible war, but on the other hand in this scenario I was clearly capable of doing it once.


Indeed.

Very astute observation.
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:13 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:Not really, you just need basic morality.


what about your resentment?

I don't have resentment towards people unless they did an unjustified wrong, I feel the other gods are just in this situation.
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We are not Ba'athist, a Caliphate, or an Islamic Theocracy, we just so happen to be Arab/Muslim Majority.
I don't use NS Stats, but they do give a somewhat OK idea of what my nation is like
If I fuck up on anything, please correct me.
Yes, I did fit Forum 7 into my canon. (It's near the bottom)
Baghdad Times: Border Skirmish near Iskenderun leaves 120 dead, most of the casualties were Eurasians defending vital intel that shows an invasion plan of Iraqi Kurdistan. Troops mobilize in Sinai as "Operation Ishaq" is being prepared. Saddam is at his antics again as he robs an entire train for a bag of chips.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:14 pm

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
what about your resentment?

I don't have resentment towards people unless they did an unjustified wrong, I feel the other gods are just in this situation.


this is very admirable
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:22 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Don't tell me you actually read the Silmarillion.


Why not?

You don't read.
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What do we have that they should want?
We have a wall to work upon!
We have work and they have none
And our work is never done
My children, my children
And the war is never won

The enemy is poverty
And the wall keeps out the enemy
And we build the wall to keep us free
That's why we build the wall
We build the wall to keep us free
We build the wall to keep us free

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:27 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Why not?

You don't read.


Sometimes. I’m generally more well predisposed to other mediums like film.

So then what do you choose?
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Postby Foxfound » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:28 pm

I guess the main problem here is it's hard to guess how you'd act in a scenario if you can't see yourself making the choices that led to it in the first place.
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Postby Alanis Star » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:30 pm

I have to be honest, these scenarios are getting a little out of this world and unlikely to ever happen.

With that said, I will choose one. I mean, I am not the one to cause a genocide and lust for power in the first place, and knowing myself, if given the administrative and moderation power, or anything of that sort, I usually will keep myself to bookkeeping and fixing things backstage. I don't think I want to meddle or show the other Gods that I am the most powerful when I know I already am pretty powerful.

I will simply accept my status on the administrative line of duty, though of course, that does not mean that I will conform to them 100%; if they slip up, I will use every bit of the opportunity possible to be passive-aggressive with them or snark them to death. ;)
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:32 pm

Foxfound wrote:I guess the main problem here is it's hard to guess how you'd act in a scenario if you can't see yourself making the choices that led to it in the first place.


Just imagine that you are a massively powerful being

You’ve made some questionable/wrong decisions in the past

You only exist now because those who defeated you spared you and they like to remind you of that

Do you focus on redemption now or do you plot again?
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:49 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Ifreann wrote:You don't read.


Sometimes. I’m generally more well predisposed to other mediums like film.

So then what do you choose?

I never would have tried to dominate anyone in the first place.
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What do we have that they should want?
We have a wall to work upon!
We have work and they have none
And our work is never done
My children, my children
And the war is never won

The enemy is poverty
And the wall keeps out the enemy
And we build the wall to keep us free
That's why we build the wall
We build the wall to keep us free
We build the wall to keep us free

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