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[DEFEATED/DISCARDED] Condemn Civil Defence Siren

Postby Slackertown » Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:22 pm

I realize taking on the Pacific Political Gang is impossible but let's give democracy a chance shall we?

The Civil Defence Siren is a puppet nation set up to spread lies and slander about regions, to the simple end of gaining more members and more power in the Pacific regions. This circumventing of the WA is disgraceful.

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Acknowledging Nazism and related Ideologies as some of the most vile beliefs in existence.

Reaffirming that such political stances will never be accepted within the World Assembly.

Fully Aware that any nation that is a member of the World Assembly already has sufficient laws in place to ban Nazism and related Ideologies.

Remembering that the World Assembly are is not a fascist organization, and all nations must be free to pursue their own method of government. Especially when those nations are not WA members.

Recognizing that the World Assembly is the only legal method of fighting Nazism and related Ideologies.

Hereby Condemns Civil Defense Siren for attempting to force their own beliefs upon the world at large, denying nations the freedom to choose what is right for their own citizens, spreading slander and lies about regions, and refusing to follow legal means to fight ideological battles.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:38 pm

Slackertown wrote:I realize taking on the Pacific Political Gang is impossible but let's give democracy a chance shall we?

This has no chance of passing, due in part to the current political climate of the WA, and the reputation of your region. Even if individual nations' votes actually mattered, this would be defeated. You're also going to be fighting more than just the Pacifics.
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Postby Slackertown » Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:45 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Slackertown wrote:I realize taking on the Pacific Political Gang is impossible but let's give democracy a chance shall we?

This has no chance of passing, due in part to the current political climate of the WA, and the reputation of your region. Even if individual nations' votes actually mattered, this would be defeated. You're also going to be fighting more than just the Pacifics.



If you have an issue with my region I suggest you create a separate thread about that.

I agree there is widespread corruption within the WA with a few members holding far too much power. But as I said I want to give democracy a chance.

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Postby Armaros » Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:21 pm

This... is a bad proposal and will never pass. Your region already puts a big "no" on it for many people. Then there's the fact this isn't condemnable and it's badly written.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:59 pm

Very little point in trying to improve this proposal as you’ve already submitted it.

However, it is very badly written, you spend most of the text yakking about Nazism and fascism and nothing about the target nation until the operative paragraph.
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Postby The Gilded Star » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:14 am

I guess I'd have a few questions about this:

1. What does the CDS do differently from the other umpteen million automated telegrams that seem to drop like rain until you change your settings to block them?

2. What does the WA or SC have to do with regulating aforementioned telegrams that, as far as I can tell so far, neither act on behalf of the WA nor are beholden to WA regulations?

3. How does it force beliefs on others and deny nations the freedom of choice when said nations can simply choose to ignore the telegram if they even read it in the first place?

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:42 am

Slackertown wrote: But as I said I want to give democracy a chance.

This from a member of CoCD. You ‘aving a laff?
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Postby Honeydewistania » Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:33 am

Slackertown wrote:I realize taking on the Pacific Political Gang is impossible but let's give democracy a chance shall we?

The Civil Defence Siren is a puppet nation set up to spread lies and slander about regions, to the simple end of gaining more members and more power in the Pacific regions. This circumventing of the WA is disgraceful.

The Security Council,

Acknowledging Nazism and related Ideologies as some of the most vile beliefs in existence.

Reaffirming that such political stances will never be accepted within the World Assembly.

Fully Aware that any nation that is a member of the World Assembly already has sufficient laws in place to ban Nazism and related Ideologies.

Remembering that the World Assembly are is not a fascist organization, and all nations must be free to pursue their own method of government. Especially when those nations are not WA members.

Recognizing that the World Assembly is the only legal method of fighting Nazism and related Ideologies.

Hereby Condemns Civil Defense Siren for attempting to force their own beliefs upon the world at large, denying nations the freedom to choose what is right for their own citizens, spreading slander and lies about regions, and refusing to follow legal means to fight ideological battles.

I'm sorry, but this is astonishing.

1. Regions on that list are obviously fascist, so no lies.
2. Fascists don't deserve a place in NS. You think fascist governments have laws to ban fascism?
3. No law in the WA says 'u fascism, we remove u'. Also are we going to wait for the WA to sit on its arse and pass a resolution saying ' u cant be fascist'. What about non-WA states? Then what?
4. What forced beliefs?
5. How is it denying citizens to practise ideology? Its just telling nations to not join fascist regions as that pretty much means they'll get shat on by everyone.
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Postby Slackertown » Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:22 am

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Very little point in trying to improve this proposal as you’ve already submitted it.

However, it is very badly written, you spend most of the text yakking about Nazism and fascism and nothing about the target nation until the operative paragraph.


I'd be happy to accept any criticism you have. This is my first attempt at a proposal.

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Postby New Udonia » Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:26 am

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Postby Jocospor » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:00 pm

OOC: @Slackertown, you can change this thread to [SUBMITTED] now. I've also just sent a campaign telegram on your behalf so if you were going to send one then don't - we're only allowed one per proposal. Learnt that the hard way, I did! Good luck with it :)
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Postby Frattastan IV » Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:41 am

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Very little point in trying to improve this proposal as you’ve already submitted it.

However, it is very badly written, you spend most of the text yakking about Nazism and fascism and nothing about the target nation until the operative paragraph.


This. Unless one is already familiar with the nation in question, it's difficult to tell what they actually did (automated telegrams warning nations who join some regions that theirs is a fascist group) just from the text. Jocospor makes a reference to that, so it helped a bit, but only Delegates will see it.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:07 am

Frattastan IV wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Very little point in trying to improve this proposal as you’ve already submitted it.

However, it is very badly written, you spend most of the text yakking about Nazism and fascism and nothing about the target nation until the operative paragraph.


This. Unless one is already familiar with the nation in question, it's difficult to tell what they actually did (automated telegrams warning nations who join some regions that theirs is a fascist group) just from the text. Jocospor makes a reference to that, so it helped a bit, but only Delegates will see it.

My initial thought was “why condemn a nation that hasn’t really done anything for 160+ days”. Then I found the dispatch which explained the nation’s purpose. So if this proposal does reach quorum I’ll be voting against because a) it’s crap and b) I completely approve of the automated actions of the nominated nation.
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Postby Kuriko » Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:22 am

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
Frattastan IV wrote:
This. Unless one is already familiar with the nation in question, it's difficult to tell what they actually did (automated telegrams warning nations who join some regions that theirs is a fascist group) just from the text. Jocospor makes a reference to that, so it helped a bit, but only Delegates will see it.

My initial thought was “why condemn a nation that hasn’t really done anything for 160+ days”. Then I found the dispatch which explained the nation’s purpose. So if this proposal does reach quorum I’ll be voting against because a) it’s crap and b) I completely approve of the automated actions of the nominated nation.

Couldn't agree more :lol: :clap:. I wish I could vote against myself, but it'll be up to a forum vote so we'll see.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:30 am

Hope it passes, know it won't. How civil defence siren isn't harassment I'll never understand but the mods claim it isn't.
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Postby Kranostav » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:44 am

Honeydewistania wrote:Snip

The WA cannot ban fascism nor any other ideology FYI
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Postby Candensia » Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:06 pm

Against. The proposal does not leave me convinced that the nominee is worthy of attention from the Security Council.

I would suggest expanding the last clause of the resolution, in order to make the reason(s) why a condemnation is needed more clear. However, I feel that going forward and actually doing so would probably defeat the purpose and only undermine the proposal.
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Postby The Gilded Star » Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:35 pm

I mean, looking through the list of regions tagged by CDS, nearly every single one (that hasn't been raided) openly admits or brags about being fascist- or even name themselves after it. Calling these nations fascist seems about as slanderous as calling water wet.

There's a few regions listed that claim they aren't fascist, but they're also regions widely regarded by the public as hiding their fascism under the hood, so I don't see the CDS being viewed as slanderous by them.

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Postby Lord Dominator » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:55 pm

Kranostav wrote:
Honeydewistania wrote:Snip

The WA cannot ban fascism nor any other ideology FYI

Correction, the GA can not (at least specifically, death of a thousand cuts is perfectly fine). The SC can't actually ban anything due to the categories, but I think we can assume it would if it could.

Against, obviously
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Postby Ransium » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:08 pm

I just realized about a minute late that the active clause is "Hereby Condemns Civil Defense Siren", but the nation being targeted for the condemn is "Civil Defence Siren". This is an R3 violation and therefore I've marked this proposal to be discarded at the end of the vote. I blame Wrapper.
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Postby Kuriko » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:08 pm

I spy with my little eye a typo in the active clause. DISCARD.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:10 pm

That's a lovely cherry on top for this flaming wreck :clap:
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Postby The Gilded Star » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:12 pm

To be fair I don't think anyone actually expected this was going to reach quorum. That being said, between this and a few other proposals lately, I wish people put as much effort into the actual content of the proposals as they do trying to ram the things through.

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Postby Kinnies » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:29 pm

Slackertown wrote:The Civil Defence Siren is a puppet nation set up to spread lies and slander about regions

Cranky ‘cause you’re in one of the fascist regions, aren’t you?

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