Women in ISIS III: Irish Edition

[Ifreann]

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2019/0309/1035297-syria/
https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2019/0311/1035667-syria/

Lisa Smith, formerly a member of the Defence Forces, converted to Islam, became radicalised, and travelled to Syria where she and her two year old son are now in custody. Sounds pretty familiar, right? Here's the shock twist: the Irish government isn't going to revoke her citizenship or try to keep her from returning here. Quite the opposite, the government seems to be trying to repatriate Smith and her son rather than leaving them in Syrian custody, or worse, American custody. Though this is understandably made difficult by Syria being a war zone and Ireland not having an embassy there.

I really am surprised. The government is doing pretty much everything I would have them do if it was up to me. Usually the government are morons, but I don't think I can fault them on a single point here, and that feels so weird. They aren't assuming that Smith's a criminal, but also aren't planning to just let her come home as if nothing happened. There will be investigations and she may well be coming back just to go to prison here, if she does come back. Not for the first time, Ireland is shows the world the right path. You're welcome.

Of course, I'm sure that some will disagree with this course of action, and I invite those people to share their concerns that if Smith is allowed to return to Ireland she will somehow smuggle with her an entire battalion of ISIS fighters who will conquer the country in the name of Allah and open up a new front in their war on the West, and that the only way to defend civilisation is to let Trump throw her in Gitmo for all time or let Syria...do whatever it is Syria does to people in its prisons. Something terrible, I'm sure.

[Genivaria]

Good on Ireland for taking the reasonable approach.

[Dogmeat]

Can't let that bomb making experience go to waste when the English are considering putting up checkpoints again.

I'm sorry about that right there.

[Salus Maior]

Well, she should lose custody of her child, for one.

Regardless of whether she herself committed crimes she is a radical who joined a terrorist group. That's not exactly fit to raise a child.

[Galloism]

I mean, doesn't this fall under treason or something similar?

Not saying don't repatriate, but it sounds like she was giving aid and comfort to the enemy, which should probably result in charges of some kind.

[The East India Trade Federation]

Can't let that bomb making experience go to waste when the English are considering putting up checkpoints again.

I'm sorry about that right there.

I'm crying lol

[Caracasus]

A tragic day for Ireland.

Iffy, if your elected representatives are going to insist on following international law and deal with things in a compassionate, robust and well thought out manner rather than sharting out the first thing that falls into their heads in a desperate attempt to fit their entire bodies into Murdoch's arsehole I'm gonna have to consider moving over there. And no-one wants that on their conscience.

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

Oh Ireland, the only place worse than a Syrian refugee camp or terrorist detention center.





Just kidding.

Seriously though this is the Irish governments choice to allow her to return, just like it was the UKs choice to keep miss begin out and the US choice to explore the possibility in their court system.

I like how heavily we differentiate between male and female terrorists/criminals.

[Luziyca]

I'd probably only put in the effort to repatriate the son and put him up for adoption. But beyond that, I don't really care about Lisa Smith: if the Irish government wants her back, and if they are willing to at the very least investigate her actions and try her, good on them. If the Syrian government tells the Irish government that she should be tried in Syrian courts, I wouldn't care less.

[Ifreann]

I mean, doesn't this fall under treason or something similar?

Not saying don't repatriate, but it sounds like she was giving aid and comfort to the enemy, which should probably result in charges of some kind.

I don't know if we'd consider ISIS to be our enemy. Why would we? We're not fighting them, and I don't think they've attacked us.

I don't actually know off the top of my head if we even have a crime of treason.

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A tragic day for Ireland.

Iffy, if your elected representatives are going to insist on following international law and deal with things in a compassionate, robust and well thought out manner rather than sharting out the first thing that falls into their heads in a desperate attempt to fit their entire bodies into Murdoch's arsehole I'm gonna have to consider moving over there. And no-one wants that on their conscience.

We'll have to make our housing crisis worse to deter you.

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Oh Ireland, the only place worse than a Syrian refugee camp or terrorist detention center.





Just kidding.

Seriously though this is the Irish governments choice to allow her to return, just like it was the UKs choice to keep miss begin out and the US choice to explore the possibility in their court system.

I like how heavily we differentiate between male and female terrorists/criminals.

I mean, ISIS being ISIS, women probably aren't allowed to do any terrorism for them.

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

I mean, ISIS being ISIS, women probably aren't allowed to do any terrorism for them.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_suicide_bomber

They are increasingly being used for suicide bombers. On top of that they often provide material, logistic, and information support. She could easily have made bombs, loaded guns, relayed information, or simply making sammiches and doing laundry which frees up the terrorists to actually do the fighting. Might not sound as menacing but it is not exactly an easily forgiven act.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

If she doesn't at least go to prison, then the Irish government is kissing the ass of terrorists and their sympathizers.

[Ifreann]

I mean, ISIS being ISIS, women probably aren't allowed to do any terrorism for them.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_suicide_bomber

They are increasingly being used for suicide bombers.

I feel safe in assuming that Lisa Smith wasn't a suicide bomber.

On top of that they often provide material, logistic, and information support. She could easily have made bombs, loaded guns, relayed information, or simply making sammiches and doing laundry which frees up the terrorists to actually do the fighting. Might not sound as menacing but it is not exactly an easily forgiven act.

And she was in the Defence Forces, so she might have been allowed to do the actual terrorism. But she might not have. We'll have to figure that out.

[Dogmeat]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_suicide_bomber

They are increasingly being used for suicide bombers.

I feel safe in assuming that Lisa Smith wasn't a suicide bomber.

The luck of the Irish is a hell of a thing.

[Ifreann]

If she doesn't at least go to prison, then the Irish government is kissing the ass of terrorists and their sympathizers.

Well we'd need to find a crime to charge her with and then put on trial and then convict her.

[Caracasus]

I mean, doesn't this fall under treason or something similar?

Not saying don't repatriate, but it sounds like she was giving aid and comfort to the enemy, which should probably result in charges of some kind.

I don't know if we'd consider ISIS to be our enemy. Why would we? We're not fighting them, and I don't think they've attacked us.

I don't actually know off the top of my head if we even have a crime of treason.

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A tragic day for Ireland.

Iffy, if your elected representatives are going to insist on following international law and deal with things in a compassionate, robust and well thought out manner rather than sharting out the first thing that falls into their heads in a desperate attempt to fit their entire bodies into Murdoch's arsehole I'm gonna have to consider moving over there. And no-one wants that on their conscience.

We'll have to make our housing crisis worse to deter you.

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Oh Ireland, the only place worse than a Syrian refugee camp or terrorist detention center.





Just kidding.

Seriously though this is the Irish governments choice to allow her to return, just like it was the UKs choice to keep miss begin out and the US choice to explore the possibility in their court system.

I like how heavily we differentiate between male and female terrorists/criminals.

I mean, ISIS being ISIS, women probably aren't allowed to do any terrorism for them.

Lol, good luck making your housing crisis worse than England's. I'd cheerfully live in a shed at the moment if it cost less than 90% of my salary.

[Galloism]

I mean, doesn't this fall under treason or something similar?

Not saying don't repatriate, but it sounds like she was giving aid and comfort to the enemy, which should probably result in charges of some kind.

I don't know if we'd consider ISIS to be our enemy. Why would we? We're not fighting them, and I don't think they've attacked us.

I don't actually know off the top of my head if we even have a crime of treason.

Hasn't ISIS basically declared death to the west?

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I feel safe in assuming that Lisa Smith wasn't a suicide bomber.

That should magically give every one potentially concerned some comfort.

And she was in the Defence Forces, so she might have been allowed to do the actual terrorism. But she might not have. We'll have to figure that out.

She could also join a radical terrorist organization in Ireland and then start taking a more active role, if she has not been de-radicalized.

[Torrocca]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_suicide_bomber

They are increasingly being used for suicide bombers.

I feel safe in assuming that Lisa Smith wasn't a suicide bomber.

Pffft, and how can you be so certain that your Irish government isn't just trying to repatriate a ghost?

[Ifreann]

I don't know if we'd consider ISIS to be our enemy. Why would we? We're not fighting them, and I don't think they've attacked us.

I don't actually know off the top of my head if we even have a crime of treason.

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We'll have to make our housing crisis worse to deter you.

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I mean, ISIS being ISIS, women probably aren't allowed to do any terrorism for them.

Lol, good luck making your housing crisis worse than England's. I'd cheerfully live in a shed at the moment if it cost less than 90% of my salary.

We have had a few literal sheds up for rent, actually.

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I don't know if we'd consider ISIS to be our enemy. Why would we? We're not fighting them, and I don't think they've attacked us.

I don't actually know off the top of my head if we even have a crime of treason.

Hasn't ISIS basically declared death to the west?

Sounds like something they'd say, but we don't need to treat that as a declaration of war against us specifically.

[Caracasus]

I feel safe in assuming that Lisa Smith wasn't a suicide bomber.

That should magically give every one potentially concerned some comfort.

And she was in the Defence Forces, so she might have been allowed to do the actual terrorism. But she might not have. We'll have to figure that out.

She could also join a radical terrorist organization in Ireland and then start taking a more active role, if she has not been de-radicalized.

Last time I checked, Ireland had a police force and everything. They'll probably investigate pretty thoroughly and keep a pretty damn close eye on her whatever the outcome.

[Loben]

I don't know if we'd consider ISIS to be our enemy. Why would we? We're not fighting them, and I don't think they've attacked us.

I don't actually know off the top of my head if we even have a crime of treason.

Hasn't ISIS basically declared death to the west?

Everyone knows the irish arent part of the west.

[Ifreann]

I feel safe in assuming that Lisa Smith wasn't a suicide bomber.

That should magically give every one potentially concerned some comfort.

And she was in the Defence Forces, so she might have been allowed to do the actual terrorism. But she might not have. We'll have to figure that out.

She could also join a radical terrorist organization in Ireland and then start taking a more active role, if she has not been de-radicalized.

I don't think we have any radical terrorist organisations.

Well, no, obviously we have a load of them, but I don't think we have any Muslim ones.

[Torrocca]

That should magically give every one potentially concerned some comfort.

She could also join a radical terrorist organization in Ireland and then start taking a more active role, if she has not been de-radicalized.

Last time I checked, Ireland had a police force and everything. They'll probably investigate pretty thoroughly and keep a pretty damn close eye on her whatever the outcome.

What's that? You're saying the Irish government is going to probably do something completely reasonable? Say it isn't so!

[The Huskar Social Union]

Lock her in a cell if possible and deserving.

Hasn't ISIS basically declared death to the west?

Everyone knows the irish arent part of the west.

*Looks around*

Nope, here in the west alright.