Was Thanos Right In A Way?

[San Lumen]

By now Im sure we have all seen Avengers: Infinity War or most of us and I thought a lot about the ending.

I watched Infinity War again and the more I think it about it I've come to the conclusion Thanos has the right idea in a way.

His planet was destroyed by overpopulation and overuse of resources and wants to prevent that fate from befalling the entire universe. Thanos shows his point when he brought prosperity to Gamora's world by eliminating half the population and brought balance. There is a limit to how much population a planet can support before the balance is tipped with disastrous results. On this planet it seems we are well on our way to that.

Was what he did to her world horrible? Yes but he prevented the planet's destruction.

What lends credence to Thanos's method is he is not picking who disappears its completely random which is quite merciful when you think about it.

Thanos did have a point and his intention is good and has logic behind it. Do I agree with it wholeheartedly? No. But he has the right idea in a way.

One last thing I want to be perfectly clear. I am not condoning genocide or mass murder in any way.

What say you NSG? Did Thanos have a point? Was he right in a way?

[Wunderstrafanstalt]

The question is, is overpopulation really going to destroy us? Because the fact shows population growth is slowing down as the economy progresses while new technology and innovation will save. So no, what Thanos did is like a mother tying one of his son on a tree to bait the roaming tiger so the others can escape while in fact there's no tiger.

Also, we're on the brink of the Holocene Mass Extinction due to climate change and killing half of the world's engineers, scientists, environmental bureaucrats, and political leader is the last thing we need to create an actual salvation effort.

[San Lumen]

The question is, is overpopulation really going to destroy us? Because the fact shows population growth is slowing down as the economy progresses while new technology and innovation will save. So no, what Thanos did is like a mother tying one of his son to bait the tiger so the others can escape while in fact there's no tiger.

Also, we're on the brink of the Holocene Mass Extinction due to climate change and killing half of the world's engineers, scientists, environmental bureaucrats, and political leader is the last thing we need to create an actual salvation effort.

It doesn't seem like population is slowing. By 2050 the population will be 10 billion and with overfishing there might not be any fish left in the ocean by then either.

How do you know you'd be eliminating half the worlds scientists and engineers? Who disappears is completely random. That's the whole point

[Kipiria]

Thanos didn't kill off the right people. Criminals, psychopaths, or jingoistic aliens like the Skrull deserved every bit of what they got and then some. It's because of those monsters that human civilization and other vulnerable similar civilizations have to keep rebuilding against their consistent assaults on Earth and keep investing in defense budgets, over-industrialization, and colonization to stay relatively safe.
We're forced to expand and strip-mine and expend resources on defense, when Thanos could simply have wiped out the threats forcing us to do these things. When he removed half of all life, he should have removed the half that was a problem for everyone else.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

This is basically justifying Mao.

[San Lumen]

This is basically justifying Mao.

How?

[Hystaria]

But couldent he make, you know, infinite resources, cause the population would jump back up, specially any bug aliens. Like cutting half the people on earth wouldnt help the resourse issue or the population, cause most familys aside from europe and NA have multiple children and could go right back up to the old population, but with a shift of power

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

This is basically justifying Mao.

How?

He let a large portion of the population starve while the others lived far better lives.

[United Universal Union]

The same can be asked about many other sci-fi overlord entities and things.

For example, was the thing I "based" my nation on the only hope for humanity? It looked pretty bleak.
Was the Empire good for the Galaxy in Star Wars?

That all depends on how you look at it, but we should all agree that what they did was horrible and in many cases not justifiable.

[Arcturus Novus]

How?

He let a large portion of the population starve while the others lived far better lives.

That wasn't intentional starvation, rather it was mismanagement of land and labor by a too-eager revolutionary government.

[Ifreann]

Thanos is a giant fucking moron. He kills half of everyone because the universe only has finite resources and if we use them all up everyone dies. But halving the current population won't change anything. Using finite resources at any rate, no matter how slow, will eventually deplete them all. You can't make the fuel in your car last forever by only driving it half as much.

And that's before we consider that all the populations that Thanos reduced will just replenish themselves. Earth's population today is 7.5 billion. It was 3.75 billion in the 70s. 50 years and we'll be back here again, and then what?

Really, that Thanos' stupid belief system isn't challenged at all is one of a few very annoying parts of an otherwise fun movie.

[San Lumen]

But couldent he make, you know, infinite resources, cause the population would jump back up, specially any bug aliens. Like cutting half the people on earth wouldnt help the resourse issue or the population, cause most familys aside from europe and NA have multiple children and could go right back up to the old population, but with a shift of power

He eliminated 4 billion. It would take thousands of years to restore that population

How?

He let a large portion of the population starve while the others lived far better lives.

Yes but Thanos didnt do that.

[Seangoli]

The question is, is overpopulation really going to destroy us? Because the fact shows population growth is slowing down as the economy progresses while new technology and innovation will save. So no, what Thanos did is like a mother tying one of his son to bait the tiger so the others can escape while in fact there's no tiger.

Also, we're on the brink of the Holocene Mass Extinction due to climate change and killing half of the world's engineers, scientists, environmental bureaucrats, and political leader is the last thing we need to create an actual salvation effort.

It doesn't seem like population is slowing. By 2050 the population will be 10 billion and with overfishing there might not be any fish left in the ocean by then either.

How do you know you'd be eliminating half the worlds scientists and engineers? Who disappears is completely random. That's the whole point

I really hate the hyperbole that gets thrown atound with Climate Change. Yes, it is real, yes it is problematic, and yes it is going to lead to large scale extinctions.

That does not mean there will be no fish in the Ocean, no animals around, or the world will be a barren hellscape.

Also, the rate of population growth is starting to slow. We more than doubled the population from 3 billion to 6 billion between 1950 and 2000. We are currently in or around 7.5 billion, amd the rate of grwoth is expecting slow significantly by 2050, and stagnate completely in 2100 or around 11.5 billion people.

[Wunderstrafanstalt]

The question is, is overpopulation really going to destroy us? Because the fact shows population growth is slowing down as the economy progresses while new technology and innovation will save. So no, what Thanos did is like a mother tying one of his son to bait the tiger so the others can escape while in fact there's no tiger.

Also, we're on the brink of the Holocene Mass Extinction due to climate change and killing half of the world's engineers, scientists, environmental bureaucrats, and political leader is the last thing we need to create an actual salvation effort.

It doesn't seem like population is slowing. By 2050 the population will be 10 billion and with overfishing there might not be any fish left in the ocean by then either.

The current prediction is that the 12 trillionth human will never be born. By then should we limit consumption? Yes. A different thing from international genocide. And that overfishing thing has been debunked a long time ago ffs.

How do you know you'd be eliminating half the worlds scientists and engineers? Who disappears is completely random. That's the whole point

Simple chances and math. Thanos has an equal chance of killing all scientist, environmentalist, teachers, and engineers while leaving all oil magnates and big industrialists intact.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

should be in mcu thread in a&f not nsg

[Hystaria]

But couldent he make, you know, infinite resources, cause the population would jump back up, specially any bug aliens. Like cutting half the people on earth wouldnt help the resourse issue or the population, cause most familys aside from europe and NA have multiple children and could go right back up to the old population, but with a shift of power

He eliminated 4 billion. It would take thousands of years to restore that population

He let a large portion of the population starve while the others lived far better lives.

Yes but Thanos didnt do that.

Like if 2 billion couples have over three kids, or more, it wont be thoussands, and the longest hundreds

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Thanos was right in that killing half the population would (briefly) solve resource shortages, so he was right in a way, but resource shortages aren't that serious (they're definitely a big problem, but gas being $5 a gallon would harm society much less than wiping out half the population) and killing half of everybody wouldn't solve them anyway. Eventually, life is going to repopulate back to pre-snap levels, and now you have the exact same problem all over again.
It's a band-aid solution that caused many more problems than the actual problem did, so I don't think that he was right to do what he did. Resource shortages are caused by infinite greed more than any other single factor, and even if he could remove that (it would probably be possible with the mind, space, and reality stones - teleport to every planet, mind control everyone on it so that they're environmentalists, rinse, repeat), he certainly didn't try to.

[Cannot think of a name]

Thanos is from a space fairing people and was dealing largely with space fairing people like the Xandarians and the Kree. I find it hard to believe that the entire universe was 'full.' Further, he didn't solve the problem, he delayed it until he has to go and redo it once the population replenishes itself. And he assumes that all civilizations face this problem. The Asgardians were decimated by Hela, then by the Black Order, then by the snap. What are there, 18 of them left out in escape pods with Valkyrie? His plan was comic book villain dumb. Which is fine, since he's a comic book villain.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

But couldent he make, you know, infinite resources, cause the population would jump back up, specially any bug aliens. Like cutting half the people on earth wouldnt help the resourse issue or the population, cause most familys aside from europe and NA have multiple children and could go right back up to the old population, but with a shift of power

He eliminated 4 billion. It would take thousands of years to restore that population

Humanity hit a population of 4 billion people in 1804, so "thousands" is definitely a stretch.

[San Lumen]

Thanos is from a space fairing people and was dealing largely with space fairing people like the Xandarians and the Kree. I find it hard to believe that the entire universe was 'full.' Further, he didn't solve the problem, he delayed it until he has to go and redo it once the population replenishes itself. And he assumes that all civilizations face this problem. The Asgardians were decimated by Hela, then by the Black Order, then by the snap. What are there, 18 of them left out in escape pods with Valkyrie? His plan was comic book villain dumb. Which is fine, since he's a comic book villain.

But it could take thousands of year before he has to redo it.

[Wunderstrafanstalt]

Have I not mention that killing half of humanity will instantly result in a socio-economic collapse, and we will be poor and unorganized and stupid and and birthrate will skyrocket? The only difference is that the exponential megajump now starts at 3.75 billion instead of IRL's far lower. TL;DR everyone is now poor and in pain and 100% will be destroyed by climate change and overpopulation.

[United Universal Union]

Thanos is from a space fairing people and was dealing largely with space fairing people like the Xandarians and the Kree. I find it hard to believe that the entire universe was 'full.' Further, he didn't solve the problem, he delayed it until he has to go and redo it once the population replenishes itself. And he assumes that all civilizations face this problem. The Asgardians were decimated by Hela, then by the Black Order, then by the snap. What are there, 18 of them left out in escape pods with Valkyrie? His plan was comic book villain dumb. Which is fine, since he's a comic book villain.

But it could take thousands of year before he has to redo it.

Probably wont.

Question, were the Combine in half life 2 justified in putting up the suppression field? I mean, it did pretty much the same thing, were they in a sense right?

[San Lumen]

Have I not mention that killing half of humanity will instantly result in a socio-economic collapse, and we will be poor and unorganized and stupid and and birthrate will skyrocket? The only difference is that the exponential jump now starts at 3.75 billion instead of IRL's far lower. TL;DR everyone is now poor and in pain and 100% will be destroyed by climate change and overpopulation.

Why would it result in socio-economic collapse and being poor, unorganized and stupid?

[Ifreann]

But couldent he make, you know, infinite resources, cause the population would jump back up, specially any bug aliens. Like cutting half the people on earth wouldnt help the resourse issue or the population, cause most familys aside from europe and NA have multiple children and could go right back up to the old population, but with a shift of power

He eliminated 4 billion. It would take thousands of years to restore that population

Lumen.

Our population grew by that much in the course of your parents' lifetimes.

[San Lumen]

But it could take thousands of year before he has to redo it.

Probably wont.

Question, were the Combine in half life 2 justified in putting up the suppression field? I mean, it did pretty much the same thing, were they in a sense right?

I dont know what that is.