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Should she be allowed to return to the UK?

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Postby Yusseria » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:17 pm

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/19/isil-bride-shamima-begum-has-british-citizenship-revoked-home/
Jihadi bride, Shamima Begum,has had her British citizenship revoked by the Home Office.

The 19-year-old, who had expressed the desire to return to the UK with her newborn son, will now be banned from entering the country.

It is understood the teenager, who grew up in Bethnal Green east London, has dual Bangladeshi nationality, meaning the move will not render her stateless.

In a letter sent to her family in east London, officials said the Home Secretary, Sajid Javid, had made the decision in "light of the circumstances".

The letter read: "Please find enclosed papers that relate to a decision taken by the Home Secretary, to deprive your daughter, Shamima Begum, of her British citizenship.

"In light of the circumstances of your daughter, the notice of the Home Secretary's decision has been served of file today (19th February), and the order removing her British citizenship has subsequently been made."

The letter went on to urge Ms Begum's family to make the teenager aware of the decision, but added that she had a right to appeal.

In a statement the family's lawyer said they were very disappointed by the move.

Tasnime Akunjee said: "[The] Family are very disappointed with the Home Office's intention to have an order made depriving Shamima of her citizenship. We are considering all legal avenues to challenge this decision."

Shamima Begum will be effectively now be banned from entering the UK.

Mr Javid has the power to exclude any person suspected of being involved in terrorist activity on the basis that that their presence in the UK is not conducive to the public good.

Ms Begum travelled to Syria from her home in east London in December 2014 and married an Isil fighter.

Her first two children died, and last week she was discovered in a refugee camp where she issued a plea to return to Britain.

But despite saying she wants to bring her baby son up in the peace and security of the UK, she has insisted she has no regrets about travelling to Syria.

She has also been criticised for likening the deaths of 22 people in the Manchester Arena terror attack to the civilians being bombed in Isil territory.

Earlier the Met Commissioner, Cressida Dick, had said Ms Begum could be arrested and potentially charged if she ever returned to the UK.

But she also acknowledged that travelling to Syria was not an offence in itself, and said the police would need evidence that she had been involved in crime or terrorism in order to bring charges.

It comes as a report suggests that many of the girls who have travelled to join Isil are far from vulnerable and naive.

A study by the Henry Jackson Society found evidence that while boys tended to join Isil under the influence of family members, girls were more likely to have sought out extremist material on their own.

Analysis of 20 cases found that Isil brides tended to be self-radicalised and motivated by the prospect of marrying a man of their choice.


Ms Begum has insisted that while living in the self declared caliphate her only role was as a housewife and mother and there is no evidence of her having done anything wrong.

Speaking about the case, Ms Dick said if the teenager returned to the UK she could face questioning but that the current law might not be sufficient to see her prosecuted.

The Commissioner explained: "If she does, under whatever circumstances, arrive at our borders somebody in her type of circumstances could expect to be spoken to and if there is the appropriate necessity, to be potentially arrested and certainly investigated.”

“If that results in sufficient evidence for a prosecution then it will result in sufficient evidence for a prosecution. The officers will deal with whatever they are confronted with."

The Commissioner added: “If there is insufficient evidence for a prosecution it is our job to look at the threat they pose if they are returning from Syria and we do that with every single person who comes back from Syria and then manage the risk with colleagues in the (security and intelligence) agencies."

Ms Dick went on: "Some people returned from that area in the early days who had almost certainly done nothing other than humanitarian aid work – we talked to them and assessed their risk. Many people have come back and just gone on with peaceful lives.”

When Ms Begum first travelled to Syria, Sir Mark Rowley, who was then the head of UK counter terrorism, suggested the girls might be treated as victims of grooming, but Ms Dick said: "We're a long way down the road since then.

A woman from the UK who ventured off to find her ISIS dream man has has had her citizenship stripped by the UK. This is good news because, as the article says, ISIS brides are self-radicalized and not the unwitting pawns many believe them to be. She's also said herself that she has no regrets about going to Syria. She made her bed and now she can lie in it. She will still have a home in Bangladesh. Let them deal with her.
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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:19 pm

Good. If you are going to play the game of radicalization make sure you have the hindsight to fight for a side you know is going to win. Otherwise, you can accept the consequences of your actions, and die like the hundreds of others probably will end up doing once war crime trials begin.
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Postby Sicaris » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:20 pm

Same as the American one.

Let them in, ambush them, shoot them. No mercy for terrorists nor their personnel.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:22 pm

Let's see what Assad's regime has in store for her.
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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:23 pm

Sicaris wrote:Same as the American one.

Let them in, ambush them, shoot them. No mercy for terrorists nor their personnel.

I know vengeance is desired, but outright wishing for death on this site isn't the best idea. Regardless, let the people in the formerly war-torn countries deal with them.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:24 pm

Good. She defected to the other side. She can't come crawling back just because her side lost. She has also been making some comments about the Manchester Arena bombings that hinted that her attitude really hasn't changed that much:

She told the BBC while it was "wrong" innocent people died in the 2017 Manchester attack, it was "kind of retaliation" for attacks on IS.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47276572
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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:24 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:Let's see what Assad's regime has in store for her.

Most likely a public show trial, and execution no doubt.
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Postby Yusseria » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:25 pm

The New California Republic wrote:Good. She defected to the other side. She can't come crawling back just because her side lost. She has also been making some comments about the Manchester Arena bombings that hinted that her attitude really hasn't changed that much:

She told the BBC while it was "wrong" innocent people died in the 2017 Manchester attack, it was "kind of retaliation" for attacks on IS.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47276572

She's also said she has no regrets about returning to Syria... so she can get fucked for all I care.
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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:29 pm

Good. The traitorous bitch can stay out, but I’d rather she be brought back just to have her child taken away. Then deport her to back to Syria or assassinate her. However, as long as she stays out, I’m happy.

Also, if her family are so adamant about repealing this ruling they can get the hell out and join their subhuman relative.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:30 pm

Fuck her. No sympathy

edit: the feck you mean exile her to ireland? You wana go son?
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Postby De Almerland » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:30 pm

Oh wow, the British government doing something right for once.
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Postby Estanglia » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:31 pm

She clearly shows no remorse, so fuck her.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:32 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Fuck her. No sympathy

edit: the feck you mean exile her to ireland? You wana go son?

lol I just noticed that poll option.
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Postby Luziyca » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:32 pm

The son could be put up for adoption, and be raised with the condition that he have no connection with his biological family at all: not even the slightest tenuous connection.

As for her, I could not care less about what happens to her or her husband.
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:33 pm

Not sure if her family are overly emotional or just terrorist sympathisers.

I mean, the families of white school shooters in the US don't exactly say "VERY SAD, WE LOVE HIM, HE DID NOTHING WRONG"

Clearly indicative of a wider problem in UK's Muslim community, or at least a certain subsect of it. Are these the same 'moderates' simply because they are supporters in lieu of actually being terrorists themselves?
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:34 pm

Trumptonium1 wrote:I mean, the families of white school shooters in the US don't exactly say "VERY SAD, WE LOVE HIM, HE DID NOTHING WRONG"

Some of them have in the past, if I remember rightly.
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Postby Sebenica » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:35 pm

The fact that she thinks she can flee one of the most prosperous countries in the world to a country in the middle of civil war to join the absolute FILTH known as ISIS and then expect to be allowed back in as if nothing happened AND have the audacity to say that she deserves SYMPATHY is beyond my comprehension.
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Postby Yusseria » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:35 pm

Trumptonium1 wrote:Not sure if her family are overly emotional or just terrorist sympathisers.

I mean, the families of white school shooters in the US don't exactly say "VERY SAD, WE LOVE HIM, HE DID NOTHING WRONG"

Clearly indicative of a wider problem in UK's Muslim community, or at least a certain subsect of it. Are these the same 'moderates' simply because they are supporters in lieu of actually being terrorists themselves?

I do suspect it is the moderates you hear so much about.
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The New California Republic wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:I mean, the families of white school shooters in the US don't exactly say "VERY SAD, WE LOVE HIM, HE DID NOTHING WRONG"

Some of them have in the past, if I remember rightly.


The only thing remotely close to this I can remember is the most recent Parkland guy doing it on camera in a police cell, but his public reasoning is "everyone else shows him hate so why should I" while clearly being supportive of him being jailed forever in public.

Her parents not only want her to come back to the UK, they want her to walk free.
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Postby British Tackeettlaus » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:37 pm

I'm not saying I disapprove of this, it's just what she deserves. But doesn't this leave her technically stateless as she holds no other citizenship other than British, which is not allowed by international law?

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Postby Lanorth » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:37 pm

Good. I do not want my country savaged and under attack from ISIS members or radicalists. She did claim she did nothing wrong during her 3-4 year stay in Syria, though I do not believe a word of it. Does anyone else?
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Postby Sebenica » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:38 pm

Trumptonium1 wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Some of them have in the past, if I remember rightly.


The only thing remotely close to this I can remember is the most recent Parkland guy doing it on camera in a police cell, but his public reasoning is "everyone else shows him hate so why should I" while clearly being supportive of him being jailed forever in public.

Her parents not only want her to come back to the UK, they want her to walk free.

They can join their subhuman, treasonous daughter in hell then.

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Postby Sebenica » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:38 pm

British Tackeettlaus wrote:I'm not saying I disapprove of this, it's just what she deserves. But doesn't this leave her technically stateless as she holds no other citizenship other than British, which is not allowed by international law?

She holds dual citizenship of both Britain and Bangladesh.

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De Almerland wrote:Oh wow, the British government doing something right for once.

Agreed
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Postby Des-Bal » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:39 pm

Let her back in. Pump her extensively for information, do not let her out of your sight and always operate with the assumption she's planning an attack, but otherwise show everyone fighting for ISIS that they can stand down and come home.

Why in the fucking world would you announce to an enemy that there's no benefit to them surrendering?
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