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Hoda Muthana, the prodigal American...

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As the US is no longer an option, what do you think Hoda Muthana will do now?

Return to ISIS/ISIL reporting “Mission Failed”.
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Seek refuge/asylum in Canada or maybe a European nation.
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Seek refuge/asylum from a Kurdish or other anti-ISIS group.
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She’ll disappear off the radar just like that.
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She will get legal representation and challenge revocation of her passport in court.
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Hoda Muthana, the prodigal American...

Postby Delphio » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:49 am

Hoda Muthana, age twenty-four, is an American-born woman who "defected" from the United States and joined Isis five years ago. Today (2-19-19) the story comes out that she wishes to return to her family in the United States. Hoda claims that joining Isis "was a terrible mistake" and in both a written letter and a recording basically pleads to be allowed to return to the states and that she has seen the error of her ways. The Guardian states that she even wants to help "deradicalise others". The UK in fact faces a similar issue with Shamima Begum, which is apparently a fire and brimstone debate about her being allowed to return to the UK. Piers Morgan has even offered some colorful words about Shamima (shocker).

In my opinion, in regards to Hoda Muthana, she should not be allowed to return to the United States. This is a hands down decision in my opinion, but of course opinions are as variant as snowflakes.
So, Nation States, what do you think? Should Hoda Muthana be allowed just like that to return to the United States fully pardoned and accepted back into our society?

Here are my points for not allowing Hoda back into our nation;
-Firstly, I realize neither Hoda nor ISIS/ISIL represent every single Muslim in existence. I am not saying they do. But ISIS/ISIL is a Islamic radical group that are point blank about the destruction of all "infidels" and their agenda is mass forcing Islam on all.
-(this is an extension of the first) Radicals can be a dangerous thing, no matter what faith, agenda, or philosophy they follow. And the chances of true complete reformation are slim to none, though I will admit not impossible. But still, the odds are 1-9, maybe 1-5. I highly doubt that Hoda has reformed from her radical ways.
-She used her child to front a sob story. Her child can be heard in the recording's background, and she can be seen holding him and kissing him. Putting it bluntly, especially today, America tends to fall for sob stories way too often. Just look at the excuses that are made for the common criminal. "He has a family, he needed money, he had no choice but to rob that bank and gun down that security guard and teller."
Groups like ISIS/ISIL and MS-13 know that sob stories are a valid tactic to use against America. If you still don't get my meaning, two terms; politicians and social activists.
-I find it strange that both Hoda and Shamima are begging for return at the same time. Call me a conspiracy nut if you'd like, I'm just saying...
-Even if Hoda has indeed reformed, she and her child won't be safe or truly happy here in this country. She'll be known as "the traitor who was let back in" and the "the Muslim radical who hates America". She and her child will never know peace here if they are recognized/identified in public. They'll be harassed day in and day out.

I could continue, but still, I feel i have introduced and clarified my opinion and views on this.

So, NS, what say you?

PS-I realize the hot-button attached to this issue, and that this could pluck a few nerves. Please, lets keep it civil. Just a friendly OP request.
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Postby Delphio » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:54 am

I'm seeing different reports from different news sources, both on television and online. If I've made any incorrect points or statements, or I've overlooked any facts, please chime in/share.
(Seriously, I've heard a good four different accounts and variations of this story already.)
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Postby Andsed » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:08 am

Personally I think she should be let back in but be kept under surveillance to make sure she is not lying and to protect her and her child. It is not uncommon for soldiers to lose heart in their cause and I think that this may be the case here. And also practically she could provide info to help us combat ISIS.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:13 am

Nope. She basically renounced her American citizenship to join a bunch of shitbricks, she made her bed now the dumb cunt can lay in it and rot over there.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:17 am

Getting people out of terror groups is very obviously a good thing to do, regardless of whether it hurts people's feelings.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:48 am

Sure she can come back to the US. I mean Gitmo is technically US soil.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:05 pm

If she is genuinely sorry for joining ISIS, she should repent to Allah SWT 1st. After that, she should turn herself into a Shari'ah court.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:11 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:If she is genuinely sorry for joining ISIS, she should repent to Allah SWT 1st. After that, she should turn herself into a Shari'ah court.

Oh hell no. If she’s going to any court it’s going to be a US military tribunal
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:12 pm

There is a similar case in the UK as well.

The UK is in a bit of a bind in that case, as refusing entry would be tantamount to leaving her stateless, which is prohibited under international law.

She has also been making some really controversial statements about the Manchester Arena bombing:

She told the BBC while it was "wrong" innocent people died in the 2017 Manchester attack, it was "kind of retaliation" for attacks on IS.

Sorry, but in this case I don't see why she would even want to come back to the UK, as she would be a pariah wherever she settled in the UK. it's probably because nobody else will take her, now that her beloved IS has been wiped from the face of the Earth. It's the same for the woman that left the United States to join IS.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:14 pm

The New California Republic wrote:There is a similar case in the UK as well.

The UK is in a bit of a bind in that case, as refusing entry would be tantamount to leaving her stateless, which is prohibited under international law.

She has also been making some really controversial statements about the Manchester Arena bombing:

She told the BBC while it was "wrong" innocent people died in the 2017 Manchester attack, it was "kind of retaliation" for attacks on IS.

Sorry, but in this case I don't see why she would even want to come back to the UK, as she would be a pariah wherever she settled in the UK. it's probably because nobody else will take her, now that her beloved IS has been wiped from the face of the Earth. It's the same for the woman that left the United States to join IS.


I don't see how either country is or would be culpable for them being stateless, when through their own actions is the cause of them being stateless, they alone decided to join the enemy the state didn't force them to leave.
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Postby Cetacea » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:17 pm

Yes, let her in and then arrest her and put her into deprogrammingprotective custody

her son should also be removed from her care as a ward of the State

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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:20 pm

She renounced her citizenship. She can stay in syria.
If she insists on coming back, try her for treason.
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Postby Tornado Queendom » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:57 pm

Hoda Muthana should be treated as a terrorist, since she has been one.
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Postby Arcanda » Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:00 pm

There are numerous such cases.
Traitors should not be allowed back in.

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Postby Delphio » Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:03 pm

Arcanda wrote:There are numerous such cases.
Traitors should not be allowed back in.


I agree. Saying “I’m sorry” and posting a video with a baby shouldn’t absolve you off your crimes *snap* just like that.
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Postby Page » Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:04 pm

I would say allow them back but mandate that they have sessions with a cult deprogrammer and/or psychiatrist and that they are supervised until they're assessed to have been deradicalized.
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Postby Sicaris » Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:42 pm

Allow them back in, ambush them when they get off the plane, shoot them

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Postby Comradeistan » Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:46 pm

I'm going to say no.

She Betrayed the US for a terrorist organization that is at war against the U.S. She does not deserve to be pardoned, and it is an outrage that she expects to be allowed back in the U.S. like nothing happened.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:49 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:She renounced her citizenship. She can stay in syria.
If she insists on coming back, try her for treason.


The Syrian government would have to decide whether or not they'd grant citizenship. At least one of them, anyway.

But, you know what, we should take her back and try her.
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Postby Nova Corina » Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:50 pm

It depends on what she did while in ISIS. If she was active in killing people, or made weapons to support that effort (or something along those lines) then she shoudn't be allowed to go back. However, if she didn't do much harm while in ISIS, then the US should at least consider letting her come back, but she would be arrested and sentenced to (at least) a couple years in jail as soon as she stepped foot on US soil.

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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:53 pm

I don't care where she was born.

She was always a foreigner.
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Postby Kyria » Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:56 pm

She, like Shamima Begum, should only be brought back to her country of origin to be relieved of her child. After that, she can rot back in Syria or be shot in the back of the head for all I care. Hell, I’d hand her over to al-Assad’s forces if I had my way.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:00 pm

Kyria wrote:She, like Shamima Begum, should only be brought back to her country of origin to be relieved of her child. After that, she can rot back in Syria or be shot in the back of the head for all I care. Hell, I’d hand her over to al-Assad’s forces if I had my way.


Why couldn't the child just stay in syria and rot as well?
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:03 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Kyria wrote:She, like Shamima Begum, should only be brought back to her country of origin to be relieved of her child. After that, she can rot back in Syria or be shot in the back of the head for all I care. Hell, I’d hand her over to al-Assad’s forces if I had my way.


Why couldn't the child just stay in syria and rot as well?


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Postby Andsed » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:04 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:I don't care where she was born.

She was always a foreigner.

Because she is a Muslim? Are we going down that route? After reading through this thread I agree that she should not be allowed back but saying she was always a foreigner despite being born in the US just because she is Muslim is kinda racist.
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