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What do you do?

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:28 am

Please consider the following hypothetical:

You are You except that for 6 months you've been trained by the government to fight. The focus of the training is on hand to hand combat. The government trains and teaches you on how to fight hand to hand, how to fight against people with weapons, and how to use weapons yourself. During this period, you also undergo a brutal fitness training program.

This was part of some strange government experiment that you consented to (because why not? receiving some combat training is cool). During the experiment the government took notes on your performance and had you fill a series of questionnaire. After you're done, you receive some money for your "troubles" and then you return to your regular life.

Three weeks later the following happens:

You miss the last bus so you have to walk home. Suddenly, three people show up to threaten you with knives to try and mug you. You find yourself cornered.

"YO HAND OVER YA WALLET!"

"YA WANNA DIE?! DO AS HE SAYS!"

You look around, there is absolutely no one else around. The three muggers look like hardened criminals with lots of tattoos; they look quite fit. They are all taller and bigger than you are. The knives they are wielding are very large switchblade knives. You have no weapons with you, which is a substantial disadvantage.

They are standing very close to you with their knives out.

You remember that you have the military training to fight them... but this is also the real world and you could die for it.

Your wallet contains your healthcare card, credit card, ID card, about 3,000 USD cash, some photos of people special to you, an unopened RP pack for a video game, and an Ultra-rare shiny Blue Eyes White Dragon TCG card in card protector.

So the question is:

Do you fight them?

Or do you hand over your wallet and quietly go after (presumably they don't want to murder you)?

Please justify your decision. Please try to be as realistic as possible and factor in the substantial possibility of you dying/getting injured.


The poll options are as follows:

1. I fight them (you are allowed to use tricks)... I might die or get injured for it but its time to try and teach these street thugs a lesson. My military training will give me an edge even in a 3 v 1 if I strike fast enough. I CHOOSE TO PROTECT MY WALLET!

2. It would be cool to fight them but I'm not stupid. I'm not dying for the contents of the wallet (or even risking it). I'm tempted but ultimately, I choose not to take the risk.

3. HELL NO. I'm surrendering. Take my wallet, just leave me the hell alone. I want to go home.


I'm going with Number 2. Number 1 is really tempting but at the end of the day, I don't think the cost benefit works out in its favour. Even with military training, I don't think I can take 3 people by myself (or I wouldn't have the confidence to try). And at the end of the day, there's a pretty big chance I'll die bleeding painfully.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:31 am

Give them the wallet because trying to fight off three men armed with knives when i have no weapons is fucking suicide and i'd reckon like 9/10 times no amount of training in hand to hand combat is going stop me from being knocked to the ground and stabbed to death by them.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:31 am

>implying I'd ever go anywhere without at least one weapon
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Postby Jebslund » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:38 am

Depends on whether or not I can afford to replace the contents of the wallet, really. If that 3k is chump change for me, losing the pictures will suck, and I'd ask if I can keep those, but the wallet is a small loss. If not (the 3k is, for instance, my rent), then I'm fighting. Being dead would be less of an inconvenience. Either I'm right and I'm heaven-bound, or I'm wrong and I'm insensate when I die. No skin off my bones.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:>implying I'd ever go anywhere without at least one weapon


This. I typically carry 3 whenever I can get away with it.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:40 am

Jebslund wrote:Depends on whether or not I can afford to replace the contents of the wallet, really. If that 3k is chump change for me, losing the pictures will suck, and I'd ask if I can keep those, but the wallet is a small loss. If not (the 3k is, for instance, my rent), then I'm fighting. Being dead would be less of an inconvenience. Either I'm right and I'm heaven-bound, or I'm wrong and I'm insensate when I die. No skin off my bones.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:>implying I'd ever go anywhere without at least one weapon


This. I typically carry 3 whenever I can get away with it.


wait... 3 firearms?
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:40 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:>implying I'd ever go anywhere without at least one weapon


like a gun?
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:42 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:>implying I'd ever go anywhere without at least one weapon


like a gun?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:43 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:>implying I'd ever go anywhere without at least one weapon


like a gun?


I don't really carry anymore cuz I can't be bothered to go get a CPL so I just carry a combat knife on a belt more often than not. Tis not a totally worthless self defense weapon and it's a super handy tool to just have on hand.
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Postby Aclion » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:43 am

Yeah, where is my CCW. Also why tf am I carrying 3K around?
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Postby Jebslund » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:44 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Jebslund wrote:Depends on whether or not I can afford to replace the contents of the wallet, really. If that 3k is chump change for me, losing the pictures will suck, and I'd ask if I can keep those, but the wallet is a small loss. If not (the 3k is, for instance, my rent), then I'm fighting. Being dead would be less of an inconvenience. Either I'm right and I'm heaven-bound, or I'm wrong and I'm insensate when I die. No skin off my bones.



This. I typically carry 3 whenever I can get away with it.


wait... 3 firearms?

No. Though I'm debating getting one for concealed carry. A firearm wouldn't really be useful in this scenario anyway. The enemies are too close. My weapons are better suited to close range, which is where most threats will be anyway.
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Postby Mzeusia » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:49 am

Fight them to satisfy my masochistic needs and my inner adrenaline junkie.
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Postby The blAAtschApen » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:49 am

Why would I carry 3000 USD cash with me?

Why would I carry any USD with me?

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:50 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:Why would I carry 3000 USD cash with me?

Why would I carry any USD with me?

:blink:
Also yeah i would not be carrying that much money on me, ever and would get it changed to pounds as soon as possible.
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Postby Page » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:53 am

Every fiber of my being wants to kick their ass but realistically I shouldn't try, 3 guys with knives have a big advantage. It doesn't take any skill to stab someone in the chest and blocking repeated stabs is a dubious prospect.

I would probably fake sympathy and offer them a deal.

"Hey guys, I know you're doing what you gotta do to get by, I've been on both ends of this... how about I give you my cash and you let me keep everything else. That way I don't have to report anything stolen and you can go on your way."

As I say these words, I will assess my surroundings and see if I can run, and if I think I can run then I will take off mid sentence. If not at least they might take the deal and that will suck less. But I assume the intense fitness training I received means I can run quickly and with endurance. I wouldn't have to completely outrun them if I could get far enough to find other people so the muggers won't risk more witnesses and potential intervention.
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Postby Far Easter Republic » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:53 am

I would be thinking I could slip the money out of the wallet before I give it to them an run to the hills.
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Postby The blAAtschApen » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:54 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:Why would I carry 3000 USD cash with me?

Why would I carry any USD with me?

:blink:
Also yeah i would not be carrying that much money on me, ever and would get it changed to pounds as soon as possible.


Exactly.

Well, I would change it to Euro.

But you catch my drift.

Though I carried more than 3000 euro a few times in my life.

But I was not alone. And by car. And depositing it at the bank was pretty much the goal of venturing out with such an amount of money in the first place.
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Postby Risottia » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:15 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:The knives they are wielding are very large switchblade knives. You have no weapons with you, which is a substantial disadvantage.

What, I am not carrying my sabre but I'm carrying cash? Weirrrrd...
I see three large switchblade knives. I guess I have a choice of three weapons.

They are standing very close to you with their knives out.

All very close to me.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:24 am

"YA WANNA DIE?! DO AS HE SAYS!"


Is this preceded by "LOOK HERE, SEE"? Is it followed by "NYAH NYAH NYAH NYAH NYAH"?

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:27 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:Why would I carry 3000 USD cash with me?

Why would I carry any USD with me?

:blink:

Why would I carry any money of any currency when I have plastic?
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:31 am

Also trained by the government for 6 months? So I have intermediateish hand to hand combat training?
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Thermodolia wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:Why would I carry 3000 USD cash with me?

Why would I carry any USD with me?

:blink:

Why would I carry any money of any currency when I have plastic?


I live in Germany. The plastic is not accepted everywhere :( I carry around a bit of money. But never more than 200. And that's rare.

In Netherlands, I make sure I have 20 euro with me, just in case there's a place without card (eg. some taxis). In other words, for emergencies.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:48 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:Why would I carry 3000 USD cash with me?

Why would I carry any USD with me?

:blink:

Presumably you're on the way to have it changed into real money.
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:50 am

I hate to break to you, but a blue eyes card really isn’t too expensive.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:56 am

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:I hate to break to you, but a blue eyes card really isn’t too expensive.


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Postby Friently » Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:01 am

Ill fight no matter if ive been trained or not. And if i end up dying ill make sure to drag all of the feckers with me. I'm not gonna give up my wallet to some pieces of street filth. Death before cowardice.

But in this case then try to talk them out of it first, everyone deserves to have a chance to be reasonable ofcourse. And tell them that if they decide to attack me anyways they will regret it sooner or later, maybe teling them some other things that wouldn't be appropriate to post here.

In this scenario i will have been trained in hand to hand, 99,99999999% odds that they have no knowledge whatsoever of what they are doing and are holding the knives wrong anyway.
Without much skill required i disarm one, kicking him out of the way and depending on the mood give them a chance to surrender.

If they refuse i adeptly disarm them, being that now with a weapon and vastly superiour skills they are hopelessly outmatched. Following this depending on their behaviour i might just turn them in
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