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Are you a primitivist or a futurist?

Postby Rezmaeristan » Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:19 am

Primitivism: Technology is bad. Can range from "We should live in caves and bang rocks together" to "Robots are taking our jobs!"

Futurism: Technology is good.

You might be somewhere in between.

I'm a futurist. You can't really be a primitivist unless everyone else is. China learned this the hard way when they couldn't stop the UK and the East India Company from forcing opium on them because their military was behind technologically. And then they spent the next half-century being bullied by Japan and the West.

To avoid suffering China's fate, promote technological advancement and ensure that society keeps up with it. And make sure your military has power armor.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:39 am

Rezmaeristan wrote:Primitivism: Technology is bad. Can range from "We should live in caves and bang rocks together" to "Robots are taking our jobs!"

Futurism: Technology is good.

You might be somewhere in between.

I'm a futurist. You can't really be a primitivist unless everyone else is. China learned this the hard way when they couldn't stop the UK and the East India Company from forcing opium on them because their military was behind technologically. And then they spent the next half-century being bullied by Japan and the West.

To avoid suffering China's fate, promote technological advancement and ensure that society keeps up with it. And make sure your military has power armor.


Errr? China is kind of kicking our ass on the AI front.

They have buildings where you don't need badges to get access. It's facial recognition.....
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Postby Olthar » Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:41 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Rezmaeristan wrote:Primitivism: Technology is bad. Can range from "We should live in caves and bang rocks together" to "Robots are taking our jobs!"

Futurism: Technology is good.

You might be somewhere in between.

I'm a futurist. You can't really be a primitivist unless everyone else is. China learned this the hard way when they couldn't stop the UK and the East India Company from forcing opium on them because their military was behind technologically. And then they spent the next half-century being bullied by Japan and the West.

To avoid suffering China's fate, promote technological advancement and ensure that society keeps up with it. And make sure your military has power armor.


Errr? China is kind of kicking our ass on the AI front.

They have buildings where you don't need badges to get access. It's facial recognition.....

Facial recognition in China? Might as well just leave the doors unlocked. :p
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:44 am

I'd like to point out that Futurism is already an 20th century Italian social and art movement among intellectuals that was a bit more nuanced than "technology good". It was supplanted and shared a few characteristics with Mussolini's Fascism.

But in the 21st century rebranding of the term, I am on the "technology good" side.
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Postby Texanese United Union » Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:45 am

Rezmaeristan wrote:Primitivism: Technology is bad. Can range from "We should live in caves and bang rocks together" to "Robots are taking our jobs!"

Futurism: Technology is good.

You might be somewhere in between.

I'm a futurist. You can't really be a primitivist unless everyone else is. China learned this the hard way when they couldn't stop the UK and the East India Company from forcing opium on them because their military was behind technologically. And then they spent the next half-century being bullied by Japan and the West.

To avoid suffering China's fate, promote technological advancement and ensure that society keeps up with it. And make sure your military has power armor.




I am a Primitive, excapt when it comes to technology that help the disabled be equality. For instance, I will happily defy Transhumanims and choose my brain to be organic.

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Postby Greater Carolinas » Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:46 am

Rezmaeristan wrote:Primitivism: Technology is bad. Can range from "We should live in caves and bang rocks together" to "Robots are taking our jobs!"

Futurism: Technology is good.

You might be somewhere in between.

I'm a futurist. You can't really be a primitivist unless everyone else is. China learned this the hard way when they couldn't stop the UK and the East India Company from forcing opium on them because their military was behind technologically. And then they spent the next half-century being bullied by Japan and the West.

To avoid suffering China's fate, promote technological advancement and ensure that society keeps up with it. And make sure your military has power armor.

futurism is an art movement ad others have explained, you're probably looking for the word trans-humanist

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Postby Texanese United Union » Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:49 am

Greater Carolinas wrote:
Rezmaeristan wrote:Primitivism: Technology is bad. Can range from "We should live in caves and bang rocks together" to "Robots are taking our jobs!"

Futurism: Technology is good.

You might be somewhere in between.

I'm a futurist. You can't really be a primitivist unless everyone else is. China learned this the hard way when they couldn't stop the UK and the East India Company from forcing opium on them because their military was behind technologically. And then they spent the next half-century being bullied by Japan and the West.

To avoid suffering China's fate, promote technological advancement and ensure that society keeps up with it. And make sure your military has power armor.

futurism is an art movement ad others have explained, you're probably looking for the word trans-humanist


I deny Transhumanims. Even if that means I can't work, I choose to be a natural human being and to defy Transhumanism.

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Postby Cappuccina » Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:57 am

I'm somewhere in the middle, technology is a tool and isn't necessarily good or bad...but its intended use or implications of its use can definitely go either way. Some technologies, imo, shouldn't be developed any further such as AI.
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Postby The Comboverlord » Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:00 am

Power armor sounds like a really good idea. I'll take it up with my advisors. The American workers will get THOUSANDS of jobs making power armor, and they will be great jobs.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:32 am

I'm a primitivist futurist or maybe it's futurist primivitist, I like new things to be old or old things to be new again. :p
Also, you damn kids, get off my lawn and turn down that racket you call music.

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Postby Greater Carolinas » Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:34 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:I'm a primitivist futurist or maybe it's futurist primivitist, I like new things to be old or old things to be new again. :p
Also, you damn kids, get off my lawn and turn down that racket you call music.

those word combinations don't mean anything

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Postby The All Systems Commonwealth » Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:42 am

Texanese United Union wrote:I will happily defy Transhumanims and choose my brain to be organic.


Transhumanists don't give a shit what you do with your own brain.

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:43 am

Greater Carolinas wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:I'm a primitivist futurist or maybe it's futurist primivitist, I like new things to be old or old things to be new again. :p
Also, you damn kids, get off my lawn and turn down that racket you call music.

those word combinations don't mean anything

That was the point. Sheesh.

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Postby Rezmaeristan » Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:12 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Rezmaeristan wrote:Primitivism: Technology is bad. Can range from "We should live in caves and bang rocks together" to "Robots are taking our jobs!"

Futurism: Technology is good.

You might be somewhere in between.

I'm a futurist. You can't really be a primitivist unless everyone else is. China learned this the hard way when they couldn't stop the UK and the East India Company from forcing opium on them because their military was behind technologically. And then they spent the next half-century being bullied by Japan and the West.

To avoid suffering China's fate, promote technological advancement and ensure that society keeps up with it. And make sure your military has power armor.


Errr? China is kind of kicking our ass on the AI front.

They have buildings where you don't need badges to get access. It's facial recognition.....


Looks like they learned their lesson.
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Postby Las Palmeras » Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:14 pm

Meh, I'm in the middle I guess...

I consider technology a tool that'd ideally be used to overcome but I think that being out of touch with nature is a problem on the pretense that it leads to an arrogant lack of awe and fear, which in our Ponzi Scheme of a global economy translates to a lack of awareness in realizing that humanity is currently not exempt from an ecosphere with limited resources that we constantly wreck.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:14 pm

Texanese United Union wrote:
Greater Carolinas wrote:futurism is an art movement ad others have explained, you're probably looking for the word trans-humanist


I deny Transhumanims. Even if that means I can't work, I choose to be a natural human being and to defy Transhumanism.


Getting a jump start on the new wave of "denying people humanity over things that really don't matter" I see.
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Postby Thomas More » Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:16 pm

Embracing modern technology is all well and good, so long as we don't forget our humanity along the way.

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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:27 pm

You know what I think?

WW3 would be bad either way.
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Postby Cameroi » Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:27 pm

i'm a using technology to live closer to the land ist. a choosing technology that respects our dependence on a healthy environment ist.

technology is neither good nor bad, and banging rocks together IS technology.
there is no such thing as 'primativist. but there are religious and ideological loonies who hate logic.

cities and cars are not the future, but the scientific method will not be entirely forgotten when the big speedbump has come and gone.

and while ecopocalypse could be ameliorated, possibly prevented almost entirely, it does not appear to me that we are doing nearly enough to do so.

will we do enough in time to even survive is uncertain.

and indiginous cultures were never 'primativist' in the sense this word is being used now.

it isn't an abondonment of technology, to choose and use it intelligently. and that means based more on environmental realities then 'economic' ones.
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:24 pm

Futurist.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:03 pm

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:04 pm

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:You know what I think?

WW3 would be bad either way.

Yeah but we could fight it with swords
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Postby Kractero » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:05 pm

Rezmaeristan wrote:Primitivism: Technology is bad. Can range from "We should live in caves and bang rocks together" to "Robots are taking our jobs!"

Futurism: Technology is good.

You might be somewhere in between.

I'm a futurist. You can't really be a primitivist unless everyone else is. China learned this the hard way when they couldn't stop the UK and the East India Company from forcing opium on them because their military was behind technologically. And then they spent the next half-century being bullied by Japan and the West.

To avoid suffering China's fate, promote technological advancement and ensure that society keeps up with it. And make sure your military has power armor.

Just cause a nation isn't as technologically advanced as another doesn't mean they're a primitivist nation, which seems to be what you're saying here.

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Postby Hatsunia » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:08 pm

I am a futurist but I also recognize that technology can be used for corrupt purposes.
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:19 pm

Hatsunia wrote:I am a futurist but I also recognize that technology can be used for corrupt purposes.

I think that even the most gung-ho futurist would concede that technology does have its downsides too.
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