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What if Eastern Europe united into One Nation?

Postby Trostskia » Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:09 am

Let's say that in 100 years (maybe 200) Russia libereralizes into an actual democracy and has a far better relationship with its neighbors than it does today. If in the future Russia forms an "Eastern European union" with Finland, Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia, and Armenia. what would happen if it eventually united into a single state?

Would it Just be called Russia, and if not what would the country be named? Would it be a federation, Would it be a "United States of Europe" (assuming that Europe hasn't unified itself before hand), or would it be something else entirely? Would it be able to have friendly relations with Western Europe or would NATO consider this "Super Russia" as too much of a threat and start a new Cold War between the west and east?

I would make a prediction but I honestly have no idea what it would look like.
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Postby Cossack Khanate » Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:13 am

It would be an anti-Communist democracy and would fight NATO cause NATO would turn commie. Plot twist.
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:15 am

I think it would be called the Eastern European Union at first, and then, as more members join, all the way from Britain and/or France to China, it becomes the Eurasian Union, unified not as a dictatorship, but as a union of all peoples, posing a threat to US hegemony. The Cold War would repeat, this time with a Eurasian advantage. We'd get a world similar to 1984: Rich, but anti-Western businessmen who used to spend time in Russia now move to Africa to set up the "Free States", an international agreement to form a third way in favour of business. Meanwhile, Japan exerts dominance over the East Asia area, competing with the new superstate and forming the Asian Empire, whilst America forms the Oceanic Pact, slowly merging into the Republic of Pacifica, and soon a three (or four if you count Asia) way cold war begins.
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Postby Earthbound Immortal Squad » Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:18 am

Somehow I doubt Finland would join even in a futuristic hypothetical scenario.
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Postby Heloin » Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:20 am

I'll call it the Commonwealth of Independent States, a completely original idea of mine :p

Also aside from Belarus the biggest problem here is that the four other countries you listed fucking hate Russia.

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Postby United Universal Union » Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:23 am

Bleh, it would be just the east block part 2 democratic boogaloo.
It would be better if Russia did turn into a true democracy(Hopefully ;-;) it should join the EU, which would hopefully give it some more bite and perhaps make it equal to the U.S.
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Postby Earthbound Immortal Squad » Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:26 am

United Universal Union wrote:Bleh, it would be just the east block part 2 democratic boogaloo.
It would be better if Russia did turn into a true democracy(Hopefully ;-;) it should join the EU, which would hopefully give it some more bite and perhaps make it equal to the U.S.


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Postby United States of Natan » Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:31 am

Well aside from the fact that this scenario is far from plausible, I'd say it would be called the Eastern European Union.
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Postby Cetacea » Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:34 am

they should try and unite Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, North Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, and Slovenia

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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:38 am

pls no
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:39 am

United Universal Union wrote:Bleh, it would be just the east block part 2 democratic boogaloo.
It would be better if Russia did turn into a true democracy(Hopefully ;-;) it should join the EU, which would hopefully give it some more bite and perhaps make it equal to the U.S.


Countries should be leaving the EU, not joining it. The EU would never let Russia in anyway.
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Postby Dresderstan » Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:40 am

Unite some of Eastern Europe under the Poles. Polish Empire should happen and act as a buffer against any Russian influence/aggression in the East.
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Postby United Universal Union » Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:44 am

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
United Universal Union wrote:Bleh, it would be just the east block part 2 democratic boogaloo.
It would be better if Russia did turn into a true democracy(Hopefully ;-;) it should join the EU, which would hopefully give it some more bite and perhaps make it equal to the U.S.


Countries should be leaving the EU, not joining it. The EU would never let Russia in anyway.

Not in the case of Russia, in my opinion it's more benificial to be in the EU than out of it, but I don't wanna thread jack.

Dresderstan wrote:Unite some of Eastern Europe under the Poles. Polish Empire should happen and act as a buffer against any Russian influence/aggression in the East.

Yeah, and replace one aggressor with another, good plan.
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Postby La Paz de Los Ricos » Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:46 am

Trostskia wrote:Let's say that in 100 years (maybe 200) Russia libereralizes into an actual democracy and has a far better relationship with its neighbors than it does today. If in the future Russia forms an "Eastern European union" with Finland, Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, and Moldova. what would happen if it eventually united into a single state?


This is not possible in the way you probably mean, which is one united country where all of the member states actively participate in leadership and politics.

Sure, I can believe Russia restoring a true democracy and warming up to the surrounding nations, and even forming some kind of alliance with them, European-Union-style, but I highly doubt any kind of singular united state is possible, at least with all nations actively wanting it and participating in it.

The only way this united Eastern Europe would be possible would be if Russia invaded and successfully captured their neighbors, or if a second-Soviet-Union-style situation came up, where Russia installed puppet governments or spread some kind of ideology to sway nations to join them. Either way, there'd have to be a significant power imbalance, with most of the power going to Russia, for any kind of united state to exist.

The proposed member nations are just too incompatible to succeed as one state.

Some examples here: Finland fought an entire war to stay independent from the USSR, so maybe Finland would be maybe just a teensy bit iffy on uniting with Russia; Poland has a similar dislike of union with Russia, due to the whole partitioning thing. Remember the whole "Russia invades and successfully captured" thing? It's happening with Ukraine, and their territory is being usurped by the Russian authority.

Maybe you could convince Moldova and Belarus to unite with Russia, but all of Eastern Europe? No way.


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Postby Dagnia » Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:41 am

First, it could never include all of Eastern Europe, unless by force. There's too much animosity between many of these countries, especially when it comes to Russia, no matter how democratic it may be in your scenario. You could bring on a few more countries that don't have any bad blood with current members to Visegrad, and I think the rest would probably fit nicely with some kind of Russian alliance. I'm not sure they would do much, though they would be more peaceful and have less crime, even the Russian one at some point, mostly because of a lack of migrants.
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Postby Purpelia » Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:56 am

This being said I could see the Eastern block of the EU uniting into a single counter-balancing force to the western block.
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Postby Rea » Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:56 am

The historic animosity and suspicion most of Eastern Europe possesses towards Russia goes back to medieval times. Russia's strategic considerations dictate that almost always the rest of the subcontinent becomes subservient to them in the event of a greater union. Poland, Finland, the Czech Republic, and Ukraine may repair their relations with Russia in the future, but they will never be a part of any confederation in which she plays a prominent role.

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Postby Trumptonium1 » Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:21 pm

Poland and Russia willingly coming together into a political union, let alone single national entity is a hilarious concept.

Russia could in a hypothetical scenario get the Serbs, Belarussians and Macedonians to 'join' Russia, and get Hungary and Bulgaria to enter some sort of political union where they stay independent, but, beyond that, Russia has no friends in Eastern Europe.

Russia's best hope is to use their leverage over Hungary to use Hungary's 'ideological' leverage over right-wing countries in the EU (everything including and east of Italy) to promote Russia's interests in the region. Honestly, and I don't think I'm exaggerating, I do think most Poles would rather die than be under Russia again. I'm pretty sure Trump has a higher approval rating in central San Francisco than the Russian state has in Poland nationwide.
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:41 pm

It would instantly collapse because there is no unifying "Eastern European" identity, even the Slavic nations have a hard time getting along and didn't last too long under one banner.
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Postby Shofercia » Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:04 pm

Trostskia wrote:Let's say that in 100 years (maybe 200) Russia libereralizes into an actual democracy and has a far better relationship with its neighbors than it does today. If in the future Russia forms an "Eastern European union" with Finland, Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, and Moldova. what would happen if it eventually united into a single state?

Would it Just be called Russia, and if not what would the country be named? Would it be a federation, Would it be a "United States of Europe" (assuming that Europe hasn't unified itself before hand), or would it be something else entirely? Would it be able to have friendly relations with Western Europe or would NATO consider this "Super Russia" as too much of a threat and start a new Cold War between the west and east?

I would make a prediction but I honestly have no idea what it would look like.


Russia and Poland in the same country? How many times do we have to try that, before realizing that doesn't work? The Russo-Finnish relationship has been deteriorating since Csar Alexander the III took power, and hit rock bottom when Finns supported Nazi Blockade of Leningrad, where over a million innocent women and children died. Belarus - that's up to the locals. Same about Ukraine and Moldova, and just for the fans of Ukraine's current couped-in "Government" - by locals I am most certainly not referring to thieving Oligarchs. Ukraine continues to be the only post Soviet nation still using Soviet infrastructure from the 1980s.
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