NATION

PASSWORD

How to prevent WWIV

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)
User avatar
Tokora
Diplomat
 
Posts: 854
Founded: Oct 08, 2013
Democratic Socialists

How to prevent WWIV

Postby Tokora » Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:20 am

Let's say that WWIII starts when China and Pakistan invade India for whatever reason (propaganda war, escalated border crisis, etc.) and at the same time North Korea attacks South Korea without Chinese knowledge bringing the United States into the war. After a few years China invades Siberia and Southeast Asia for resources provoking Russia and Australia with the rest of the British Commonwealth. During the war the Russian front becomes comparable to Stalingrad if not worse. Eventually China, Pakistan, and North Korea are capitulated with the nations mentioned along with Taiwan, South Korea, and Japan (Which China invaded to prevent a spot for the US to invade from before being taken back) almost completely destroyed.

How would the US, India, UK, Australia, and a very Angry Russia deal with the defeated nations to make sure China doesn't start a second war out of revenge as Germany did in WWII?

For the sake of the scenario we'll assume that either nuclear weapons don't exist or that cooler heads prevailed before mutual assured destruction ends the whole discussion.
Last edited by Tokora on Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:57 am, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Sovaal
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 13695
Founded: Mar 17, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Sovaal » Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:15 am

I know you said ingnore miles but frankly that’s the only way it seems to avoid world wars.
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

”Many forms of government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe.
No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

User avatar
Arcturus Novus
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6727
Founded: Dec 03, 2011
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Arcturus Novus » Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:17 am

You lost me at WWIII starting over Taiwan, honestly.
Arcy (she/her), NS' fourth-favorite transsexual communist!
"I can fix her!" cool, I'm gonna make her worse.
me - my politics - my twitter
Nilokeras wrote:there is of course an interesting thread to pull on [...]
Unfortunately we're all forced to participate in whatever baroque humiliation kink the OP has going on instead.

User avatar
Olthar
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 59474
Founded: Jun 23, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Olthar » Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:36 am

This seems absurd. Why would the invasion of Taiwan lead to WWIII? Why would China ever decide it was a good idea to invade Russia (or even Australia)? How would China successfully take over Japan when the US has several military bases on the islands? I don't think this was well thought out.
The Second Cataclysm: My New RP

Roll Them Bones: A Guide to Dice RPs

My mommy says I'm special.
Add 37 to my post count for my previous nation.

Copy and paste this into your signature if you're a unique and special individual who won't conform to another person's demands.

User avatar
Dogmeat
Senator
 
Posts: 3638
Founded: Apr 01, 2018
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Dogmeat » Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:45 am

I imagine all the fallout would prevent any further world wars.
Immortal God Dog
Hey boy, know any tricks?
天狗

User avatar
Valentine Z
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 13027
Founded: Nov 08, 2015
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Valentine Z » Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:49 am

"All those in favor of living in Fallout-like world, or The Walking Dead (minus the zombies), raise your hand."

*No one raise up, except maybe one or two*

"Majority wins, we no have WWIV."
Val's Stuff. ♡ ^_^ ♡ For You
If you are reading my sig, I want you to have the best day ever ! You are worth it, do not let anyone get you down !
Glory to De Geweldige Sierlijke Katachtige Utopia en Zijne Autonome Machten ov Valentine Z !
(✿◠‿◠) ☆ \(^_^)/ ☆

Issues Thread Photography Stuff Project: Save F7. Stats Analysis

The Sixty! Valentian Stories! Gwen's Adventures!

• Never trouble trouble until trouble troubles you.
• World Map is a cat playing with Australia.
Let Fate sort it out.

User avatar
The New California Republic
Post Czar
 
Posts: 35483
Founded: Jun 06, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:50 am

Tokora wrote:Let's say that WWIII starts with China Invading Taiwan starting a war with the US.

Alright. Unlikely, but alright.



Tokora wrote:At the same time Pakistan attacks India with Chinese support and North Korea invades thinking that the US would be distracted.

Even more unlikely on account that China and India have not really seen eye-to-eye in recent years, but alright.



Tokora wrote:After a few years China invades Siberia and Southeast Asia for resources provoking Russia and Australia with the rest of the British Commonwealth.

OK, we have officially gone off the deep end. Complete nonsense.



Tokora wrote:During the war the Russian front becomes comparable to Stalingrad if not worse.

The entire countryside becomes like a city??? :?

:roll:



Tokora wrote:Eventually China, Pakistan, and North Korea are capitulated with the nations mentioned along with Taiwan, South Korea, and Japan (Which China invaded to prevent a spot for the US to invade from before being taken back) almost completely destroyed.

We have spun off into the heavens with the nonsensical nature of this hypothetical.



Tokora wrote:How would the US, India, UK, Australia, and a very Angry Russia deal with the defeated nations to make sure China doesn't start a second war out of revenge as Germany did in WWII?

Fuck knows. This must be some weird Bizarro World if all of the previous events happened, so they could outlaw breathing at this point for all the difference that it makes. :roll:



Tokora wrote:For the sake of the scenario we'll assume that either nuclear weapons don't exist or that cooler heads prevailed before mutual assured destruction ends the whole discussion.

Stick a fork in me, I'm done.
Last edited by Sigmund Freud on Sat Sep 23, 1939 2:23 am, edited 999 times in total.

The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

User avatar
The Black Party
Minister
 
Posts: 2558
Founded: Oct 31, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby The Black Party » Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:51 am

Valentine Z wrote:"All those in favor of living in Fallout-like world, or The Walking Dead (minus the zombies), raise your hand."

*No one raise up, except maybe one or two*

"Majority wins, we no have WWIV."

All in favour of Fallout 76?

e v e r y o n e r a i s e s h a n d

WWIV it is then
Don't talk to Moderators.
Don't associate with Moderators.
Don't trust Moderators.
Moderators Lie.
"Revolt Against the Mod World"

User avatar
Drew I Think
Civilian
 
Posts: 1
Founded: Jan 14, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Drew I Think » Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:34 pm

your idea sucks, be ashamed of yourselves

User avatar
Tokora
Diplomat
 
Posts: 854
Founded: Oct 08, 2013
Democratic Socialists

Postby Tokora » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:37 am

Arcturus Novus wrote:You lost me at WWIII starting over Taiwan, honestly.

I changed it but when I asked vague questions before I'm normally asked "how does this happen"? forcing me to pull specifics out of my ass that leads to people complaining about it being too unrealistic starting a circle of misery where nothing gets discussed.

Valentine Z wrote:"All those in favor of living in Fallout-like world, or The Walking Dead (minus the zombies), raise your hand."

*No one raise up, except maybe one or two*

"Majority wins, we no have WWIV."

Edit: Sorry, I reread and now I see you were answering (albeit while trying to be funny). It's just that having the above conversation over and over put me on edge.

The New California Republic wrote:
Tokora wrote:At the same time Pakistan attacks India with Chinese support and North Korea invades thinking that the US would be distracted.

Even more unlikely on account that China and India have not really seen eye-to-eye in recent years, but alright.

Can you elaborate because my understanding has always been that countries that don't like each other are more likely to go to war.

The New California Republic wrote:
Tokora wrote:During the war the Russian front becomes comparable to Stalingrad if not worse.

The entire countryside becomes like a city??? :?

Just referring to the massive casualties and the destruction of what does exist on the front, which is admittedly not a lot.

The New California Republic wrote:
Tokora wrote:Eventually China, Pakistan, and North Korea are capitulated with the nations mentioned along with Taiwan, South Korea, and Japan (Which China invaded to prevent a spot for the US to invade from before being taken back) almost completely destroyed.

We have spun off into the heavens with the nonsensical nature of this hypothetical.

Because countries are always completely undamaged after wars, especially wars of national survival.
Last edited by Tokora on Fri May 01, 2020 3:52 pm, edited 3 times in total.

User avatar
New Periapsis
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 149
Founded: Sep 13, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby New Periapsis » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:43 am

Valentine Z wrote:"All those in favor of living in Fallout-like world, or The Walking Dead (minus the zombies), raise your hand."

*No one raise up, except maybe one or two*

"Majority wins, we no have WWIV."

I can't help but reading that in the voice of Consuela from Family Guy.

I don't know why I find it so funny but the idea of that voice saying the lines "No, no.... We no have World War 4." won't get out of my head.

User avatar
The Rapture Republic
Diplomat
 
Posts: 623
Founded: Dec 07, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby The Rapture Republic » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:49 am

Wat. Wat is nonexistent, human is dead. After nuclear annihilation. Now if you’re counting various cockroach factions fighting one another over some vegetation, sure. Let’s travel down this road to see if the communist cockroaches defend the evil capitalist cockroaches from abusing the last food supply.
Last edited by The Rapture Republic on Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:50 am, edited 1 time in total.
Rapture City

  • In the underwater city, two roles have emerged from the City's ongoing civil war: the City Monitors who defend the peace and the Red Caps who fight against unjust systems. The city's infrastructure is crumbling under its own weight and kinship is snuffed by the paranoia of totalitarianism. Yet the people would be in for a surprise as their virtual overlord have died many years ago as the oppression continues under his name...
  • Not an 1-1 exact replica of Bioshock lore and Rapture City. Only the city's atmosphere and setting is maintained.

User avatar
The New California Republic
Post Czar
 
Posts: 35483
Founded: Jun 06, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The New California Republic » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:19 am

Tokora wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:
Even more unlikely on account that China and India have not really seen eye-to-eye in recent years, but alright.

Can you elaborate because my understanding has always been that countries that don't like each other are more likely to go to war.

The New California Republic wrote:
We have spun off into the heavens with the nonsensical nature of this hypothetical.

Because countries are always completely undamaged after wars, especially wars of national survival.

For the former, I misread it. For the latter, it is nonsense.
Last edited by Sigmund Freud on Sat Sep 23, 1939 2:23 am, edited 999 times in total.

The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

User avatar
Tokora
Diplomat
 
Posts: 854
Founded: Oct 08, 2013
Democratic Socialists

Postby Tokora » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:39 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Tokora wrote:
Can you elaborate because my understanding has always been that countries that don't like each other are more likely to go to war.


Because countries are always completely undamaged after wars, especially wars of national survival.

For the former, I misread it. For the latter, it is nonsense.

The latter is also sarchasm. My point is that war never leaves a nation that was fought on unscathed. Just look at Poland after WWII.

User avatar
The New California Republic
Post Czar
 
Posts: 35483
Founded: Jun 06, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The New California Republic » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:44 am

Tokora wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:For the former, I misread it. For the latter, it is nonsense.

The latter is also sarchasm. My point is that war never leaves a nation that was fought on unscathed. Just look at Poland after WWII.

I know the latter was sarcasm, but it doesn't inevitably mean that the nation is completely destroyed either, you claimed that it was.
Last edited by Sigmund Freud on Sat Sep 23, 1939 2:23 am, edited 999 times in total.

The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

User avatar
Tokora
Diplomat
 
Posts: 854
Founded: Oct 08, 2013
Democratic Socialists

Postby Tokora » Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:55 am

edited
Last edited by Tokora on Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:56 am, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Tokora
Diplomat
 
Posts: 854
Founded: Oct 08, 2013
Democratic Socialists

Postby Tokora » Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:55 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Tokora wrote:The latter is also sarchasm. My point is that war never leaves a nation that was fought on unscathed. Just look at Poland after WWII.

I know the latter was sarcasm, but it doesn't inevitably mean that the nation is completely destroyed either, you claimed that it was.

The only way for a nation during wartime to not get razed to the ground is to not be a battlefield at all like the US and Britain. The only country mentioned that might survive is Japan and I'm pretty sure China would invade anyway to make US intervention more difficult, and land invasions mixed with historical animosity don't make for a good combination.

User avatar
Olthar
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 59474
Founded: Jun 23, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Olthar » Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:59 am

Tokora wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:I know the latter was sarcasm, but it doesn't inevitably mean that the nation is completely destroyed either, you claimed that it was.

The only way for a nation during wartime to not get razed to the ground is to not be a battlefield at all like the US and Britain. The only country mentioned that might survive is Japan and I'm pretty sure China would invade anyway to make US intervention more difficult, and land invasions mixed with historical animosity don't make for a good combination.

Pretty sure that entire countries don't get destroyed, even when invaded. In fact, I don't think that has ever happened ever.
The Second Cataclysm: My New RP

Roll Them Bones: A Guide to Dice RPs

My mommy says I'm special.
Add 37 to my post count for my previous nation.

Copy and paste this into your signature if you're a unique and special individual who won't conform to another person's demands.

User avatar
The New California Republic
Post Czar
 
Posts: 35483
Founded: Jun 06, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The New California Republic » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:06 am

Olthar wrote:
Tokora wrote:The only way for a nation during wartime to not get razed to the ground is to not be a battlefield at all like the US and Britain. The only country mentioned that might survive is Japan and I'm pretty sure China would invade anyway to make US intervention more difficult, and land invasions mixed with historical animosity don't make for a good combination.

Pretty sure that entire countries don't get destroyed, even when invaded. In fact, I don't think that has ever happened ever.

Exactly. For the "entire country to be destroyed" literally everything would need to be vaporized: land, people, buildings, flora and fauna, vehicles, etc.
Last edited by Sigmund Freud on Sat Sep 23, 1939 2:23 am, edited 999 times in total.

The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

User avatar
Olthar
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 59474
Founded: Jun 23, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Olthar » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:12 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Olthar wrote:Pretty sure that entire countries don't get destroyed, even when invaded. In fact, I don't think that has ever happened ever.

Exactly. For the "entire country to be destroyed" literally everything would need to be vaporized: land, people, buildings, flora and fauna, vehicles, etc.

I think that's a bit hyperbolic, but it would still be excessive. I'd say "destroying a country" would take, at minimum, leveling every city, town, village, and independent structure.
The Second Cataclysm: My New RP

Roll Them Bones: A Guide to Dice RPs

My mommy says I'm special.
Add 37 to my post count for my previous nation.

Copy and paste this into your signature if you're a unique and special individual who won't conform to another person's demands.

User avatar
Sicaris
Diplomat
 
Posts: 846
Founded: Jun 14, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Sicaris » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:18 am

India would never fight against Russia in modern times.

Just saying.
This country doesn’t represent my political views.
Three Principles of the People is a good book.
8values
Political Compass
PolitiScales
I’m an American nationalist, ultra-capitalist, Kemalist, and First and Second Amendment extremist. Alexander Hamilton and Ronald Reagan are my gods and I will incessantly worship them.

No, basement dwellers of the world, communism does not work.

“If you are born poor, it’s not your mistake; but if you die poor, it’s your mistake.”

User avatar
The New California Republic
Post Czar
 
Posts: 35483
Founded: Jun 06, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The New California Republic » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:18 am

Olthar wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Exactly. For the "entire country to be destroyed" literally everything would need to be vaporized: land, people, buildings, flora and fauna, vehicles, etc.

I think that's a bit hyperbolic, but it would still be excessive. I'd say "destroying a country" would take, at minimum, leveling every city, town, village, and independent structure.

I know. It was a bit, wasn't it? :p
Last edited by Sigmund Freud on Sat Sep 23, 1939 2:23 am, edited 999 times in total.

The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

User avatar
Dogmeat
Senator
 
Posts: 3638
Founded: Apr 01, 2018
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Dogmeat » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:39 am

Olthar wrote:
Tokora wrote:The only way for a nation during wartime to not get razed to the ground is to not be a battlefield at all like the US and Britain. The only country mentioned that might survive is Japan and I'm pretty sure China would invade anyway to make US intervention more difficult, and land invasions mixed with historical animosity don't make for a good combination.

Pretty sure that entire countries don't get destroyed, even when invaded. In fact, I don't think that has ever happened ever.

...

Except for the Mongols.
Immortal God Dog
Hey boy, know any tricks?
天狗

User avatar
Olthar
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 59474
Founded: Jun 23, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Olthar » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:20 pm

Dogmeat wrote:
Olthar wrote:Pretty sure that entire countries don't get destroyed, even when invaded. In fact, I don't think that has ever happened ever.

...

Except for the Mongols.

The Mongols exterminated entire nations of people and raised every city within their borders? I don't remember that from history class.
Last edited by Olthar on Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.
The Second Cataclysm: My New RP

Roll Them Bones: A Guide to Dice RPs

My mommy says I'm special.
Add 37 to my post count for my previous nation.

Copy and paste this into your signature if you're a unique and special individual who won't conform to another person's demands.

User avatar
Heloin
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 26091
Founded: Mar 30, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Heloin » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:23 pm

Olthar wrote:
Dogmeat wrote:...

Except for the Mongols.

The Mongols exterminated entire nations of people and raised every city within their borders? I don't remember that from history class.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destructi ... gol_Empire

Next

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Ancientania, Cyptopir, Dimetrodon Empire, Gallia-, New Temecula, Republics of the Solar Union, Statesburg, Tarsonis, The Jamesian Republic, The Vooperian Union, Tiami

Advertisement

Remove ads