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AT&T plans to fire 7,000 people

Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:01 am

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When the GOP passed tax reform in 2017, the party justified its corporate tax cuts with claims that the reductions would boost US employment, wages, and the overall economy. The FCC similarly justified its repeal of net neutrality by arguing that the onerous regulation of wireless and wireline service was hampering innovation, imposing ruinous costs, and generally harming the telcos, ISPs, and cellular service providers in the United States.

Thus far, the corporations Ajit Pai and the Republican Party bent over backward to help haven’t exactly been returning the favor. GM plans to close plants and fire 14,000 people. Verizon has no plan to boost 5G investment, despite Pai’s claim that repealing net neutrality would lead to additional corporate network spending. Now AT&T is reportedly preparing to fire 7,000 people, despite having previously promised that tax breaks and freedom from burdensome regulation would actually create jobs.

What AT&T Said Then
On May 4, 2017, AT&T CEO Randall Stephenson gave an interview to CNBC declaring the importance of cutting taxes. “Lower taxes drives more investment, drives more hiring, drives greater wages,” Stephenson said on CNBC’s Squawk Box. “All of this fits together.”

Other choice quotes include: “If you can have a tax reduction of 35 percent down to, you pick your number, 25 or 20 percent — to think that wouldn’t cause additional investment is nonsensical. I know exactly what AT&T would do: We would invest more.”

Here’s a really good one:

“Every billion dollars in additional investment we make is 7,000 additional jobs we have to put on to put that capital into the ground or on cell towers and so forth,” Stephenson said. “And these are 7,000 jobs wearing hard hats, these are high-paying jobs with good benefits. The correlation is very, very tight. If we have to make that kind of hiring and do that kind of hiring, that drives productivity, which drives what? Wage growth.” (Emphasis added).

AT&T reported a $19B tax windfall in January of 2018, along with an additional $3B in cash that it claimed it would spend on network investments throughout 2018. Capital expenditures in 2017 totaled $21.6B. At the beginning of 2018, AT&T forecast capital expenditures of $25B.

What AT&T Says Now
We don’t know how much AT&T spent on capital expenditures for the entire year, but in Q3 2018 the company stated its estimated capex for FY2018 would be ~$22B. That’s on par with what it spent in 2017, with no increase associated with either the GOP tax bill or the $20B windfall.

In the memo (leaked to Motherboard and confirmed by AT&T), AT&T tries to dodge its own previous statements, claiming that its CEO had previously said that $1B in investment creates 7,000 jobs “across the broader economy.” But that’s not what Stephenson said.

In 2017, Stephenson claimed that the Trump tax cuts would result in AT&T boosting its investment levels. He knew exactly what AT&T would do: It would invest. That investment would create jobs, not “across the broader economy,” but for AT&T workers. Hard hat jobs, with great benefits and good pay. The kind of jobs Americans want. The kind of jobs a CEO would dangle in front of Americans to make them think supporting a giant tax cut and regulatory reduction for corporations was a good idea. The kind of jobs you talk about when you use a pronoun like “we,” which doesn’t mean “Other companies besides AT&T.”

AT&T has earned record profits for itself by shuttering call centers and offshoring workers, with an estimated 16,500 jobs lost since 2011. The Communication Workers of America estimate AT&T eliminated 10,800 positions in the last year alone.

The bonuses AT&T claimed were paid out as a result of the Trump tax cuts were actually negotiated beforehand with its unions and had absolutely nothing to do with the GOP tax bill. Despite the promise that net neutrality repeal and the tax cut would boost wireless investment, overall wireless capital expenditures are believed to have fallen in 2018. And this isn’t unique to AT&T — Verizon also claimed plans to boost its own investment levels before deciding not to.

Instead of creating 7,000 jobs with every additional $1B in network investment, AT&T will shed 7,000 jobs to further enrich its stockholders and pay for stock buybacks.

Personal Note
Sometimes, in a story like this one, someone will pop in and accuse me of political bias. While I won’t pretend to lack political opinions, the point here isn’t political. It’s ethical.

Put simply, I’m tired of being lied to. The tax cuts and net neutrality repeal were advertised, justified, and declared necessary because of the necessary and critical impact they would have on overall investment and infrastructure. None of it happened. No one is punished for it. The chairman of the FCC has produced no data at any point that actually justified his claim that net neutrality was a threat to broadband investment or had resulted in a reduction of it. (At least, none that stood up to factual analysis).

We live in a country where powerful heads of major multi-national companies with resources and wealth that rival that of some countries are allowed to blithely lie about their own intentions and the impact of laws that blatantly favor their own self-interests. Our politicians, instead of serving as guardians of the public good, fall over themselves to enable this nihilistic behavior. And everyone — including, all too often, members of the press — treats this as business as usual.



So, despite leeway from Trump's FCC and leeway from tax breaks thanks to the GOP, AT&T managed to fuck over working Americans.

I said that the corporate tax breaks wouldn't work, I said that repealing NN was a bad idea, but some people still defended both decisions beacuse of the poor oppressed billionaires.

Here we are, where a billion dollar tech company fucks over working people despite all the leeway the GOP and Libertarians give them.

Fucking corporations make me sick. I can only hope that should a general strike is called in the US, AT&T and it's ilk of greddy tech corporations get there stock price eviscerated.

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Postby Bluelight-R006 » Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:04 am

To avoid heat, I will only say that I hope they all find another job. Very sad to see a massive load of workers getting fired in one period.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:17 am

Bluelight-R006 wrote:To avoid heat, I will only say that I hope they all find another job. Very sad to see a massive load of workers getting fired in one period.


Yes, it is sad to see hard working Americans getting removed and I hope they all find new jobs.

However, i'm outraged at AT&T for doing such a horrible stunt.

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Postby Adad Civilization » Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:19 am

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:20 am

This has to be fake news. Anything that suggests a thing that Trump and the GOP did could have negative consequences is fake news.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:22 am

Adad Civilization wrote:Just more proof that Verison is the superior company

Verizon is no saint either.

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Postby Dresderstan » Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:28 am

Or maybe it could be they wasted 85 billion on a merger with Time Warner as well.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:32 am

Dresderstan wrote:Or maybe it could be they wasted 85 billion on a merger with Time Warner as well.


"We don’t know how much AT&T spent on capital expenditures for the entire year, but in Q3 2018 the company stated its estimated capex for FY2018 would be ~$22B. That’s on par with what it spent in 2017, with no increase associated with either the GOP tax bill or the $20B windfall."

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Postby Bluelight-R006 » Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:53 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Bluelight-R006 wrote:To avoid heat, I will only say that I hope they all find another job. Very sad to see a massive load of workers getting fired in one period.


Yes, it is sad to see hard working Americans getting removed and I hope they all find new jobs.

However, i'm outraged at AT&T for doing such a horrible stunt.

Sometimes companies have to do it for some rebranding program... kinda selfish because they’re laying off people for their own success, or maybe there’s just no choice??? But let’s face it, it happens. You can’t stop the problem unless some massive law was enforced...

Hopefully these hardworking people find new jobs more suited for them...
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:59 am

Didn't Trump say that eventually we'd get sick of winning?
I don't know if this qualifies as 'winning', but I'm definitely sick of it.

Also, get ready for a bunch of people to insist that your source is biased because it said something negative about Trump, while www.obviousconservativepropaganda.com says otherwise, and everyone knows they wouldn't lie.
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Postby Jebslund » Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:00 am

Corporations lied and said the money would trickle down. It didn't. In other news, water is wet, fish swim, and a mixture of :
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is breathable to humans. The only surprise here for me is that there's still people dumb enough to buy the corporate sob stories and believe that trickle down theory actually works.
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Postby Bluelight-R006 » Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:01 am

I don’t like to blame anyone for a matter... company layoffs are getting quite common though in small batches... so even if it’s Trump, AT&T’s fault whomever... it’s still going to happen again one day.

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Postby Novus America » Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:03 am

Vassenor wrote:This has to be fake news. Anything that suggests a thing that Trump and the GOP did could have negative consequences is fake news.


A straw man.
Besides here there is nothing to suggest that anything the GOP or Trump did actually caused these layoffs. Or that not doing what they did would have prevented them.
Had they not did what the did the layoffs might have been bigger.
They might have not been.

There is nothing suggesting tax or regulatory reform CAUSED these layoffs, and nobody claimed that said reforms would stop all lay offs.

Certainly Trump and the GOP can and do do things with negative consequences.

But we have nothing suggested this particular action was a negative consequence of what they did.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:05 am

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:Didn't Trump say that eventually we'd get sick of winning?
I don't know if this qualifies as 'winning', but I'm definitely sick of it.

Also, get ready for a bunch of people to insist that your source is biased because it said something negative about Trump, while http://www.obviousconservativepropaganda.com says otherwise, and everyone knows they wouldn't lie.

Even if they say it is baised, what are they going to do, argue that AT&T isn't firing 7,000 people?

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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:05 am

Bluelight-R006 wrote:I don’t like to blame anyone for a matter... company layoffs are getting quite common though in small batches... so even if it’s Trump, AT&T’s fault whomever... it’s still going to happen again one day.

7,000 people isn't a 'small batch'.
As for blaming Trump, this isn't me thinking it's a direct result of his actions so much as it's me being tired of Republicans constantly saying that he's greatly improving the economy in the face of empirical evidence to the contrary.

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Postby Bluelight-R006 » Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:06 am

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
Bluelight-R006 wrote:I don’t like to blame anyone for a matter... company layoffs are getting quite common though in small batches... so even if it’s Trump, AT&T’s fault whomever... it’s still going to happen again one day.

7,000 people isn't a 'small batch'.

I’m not saying the AT&T situation, I’m talking about other situations where layoffs could be in smaller groups...

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:Didn't Trump say that eventually we'd get sick of winning?
I don't know if this qualifies as 'winning', but I'm definitely sick of it.

Also, get ready for a bunch of people to insist that your source is biased because it said something negative about Trump, while http://www.obviousconservativepropaganda.com says otherwise, and everyone knows they wouldn't lie.

Even if they say it is baised, what are they going to do, argue that AT&T isn't firing 7,000 people?

Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if they did. I know that a lot of conservatives are intelligent people who draw their conclusions from facts, but I also know that (at least on the Internet) this is far from a majority.

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Postby Sicaris » Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:08 am

Okay. And?

Yeah it sucks, but it’s a private company and they can fire whomever they want for whatever reason they want so long as it is lawful.

In this case, it is. AT&T’s stock will probably take a hit, a significant one at that, but you don’t need to rage about it and hope the company’s money and stocks get eviscerated.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:08 am

Novus America wrote:
Vassenor wrote:This has to be fake news. Anything that suggests a thing that Trump and the GOP did could have negative consequences is fake news.


A straw man.
Besides here there is nothing to suggest that anything the GOP or Trump did actually caused these layoffs. Or that not doing what they did would have prevented them.
Had they not did what the did the layoffs might have been bigger.
They might have not been.

There is nothing suggesting tax or regulatory reform CAUSED these layoffs, and nobody claimed that said reforms would stop all lay offs.

Certainly Trump and the GOP can and do do things with negative consequences.

But we have nothing suggested this particular action was a negative consequence of what they did.



They said that the taxes being more relaxed on big corporations and repealing NN would give the big corporations more incentive to grow and higher more people.

It didn't, the share holders and executives pocketed the money, and 7,000 people got fired.

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Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Even if they say it is baised, what are they going to do, argue that AT&T isn't firing 7,000 people?

Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if they did. I know that a lot of conservatives are intelligent people who draw their conclusions from facts, but I also know that (at least on the Internet) this is far from a majority.


It’s the same for both sides of the political sphere, Right and Left.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:11 am

Sicaris wrote:Okay. And?

Yeah it sucks, but it’s a private company and they can fire whomever they want for whatever reason they want so long as it is lawful.

In this case, it is. AT&T’s stock will probably take a hit, a significant one at that, but you don’t need to rage about it and hope the company’s money and stocks get eviscerated.


Something can be lawful and be shitty at the same time.

Why shouldn't I? The greedy corporation was given an inch and they took a mile.

AT&T and the rest of it's greedy ilk can go get there stock fucked if and or when a US general strike is called.

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Sicaris wrote:Okay. And?

Yeah it sucks, but it’s a private company and they can fire whomever they want for whatever reason they want so long as it is lawful.

In this case, it is. AT&T’s stock will probably take a hit, a significant one at that, but you don’t need to rage about it and hope the company’s money and stocks get eviscerated.


Something can be lawful and be shitty at the same time.

Why shouldn't I? The greedy corporation was given an inch and they took a mile.

AT&T and the rest of it's greedy ilk can go get there stock fucked if and or when a US general strike is called.


Wow. A company, whose purpose is to make money, is being greedy.

Never could have thought that would happen.


Regardless, it’s because if their stocks WERE eviscerated, they’d put off more people, and more people would be out of jobs.

In essence, what you’re hoping for would do the exact opposite of what you’re talking about and supporting.
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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Novus America wrote:
A straw man.
Besides here there is nothing to suggest that anything the GOP or Trump did actually caused these layoffs. Or that not doing what they did would have prevented them.
Had they not did what the did the layoffs might have been bigger.
They might have not been.

There is nothing suggesting tax or regulatory reform CAUSED these layoffs, and nobody claimed that said reforms would stop all lay offs.

Certainly Trump and the GOP can and do do things with negative consequences.

But we have nothing suggested this particular action was a negative consequence of what they did.



They said that the taxes being more relaxed on big corporations and repealing NN would give the big corporations more incentive to grow and higher more people.

It didn't, the share holders and executives pocketed the money, and 7,000 people got fired.


They never said it would cause all big corporations to hire more people. Nor prevent all layoffs.
Corporations periodically restructure, and usually said restructuring involves the elimination of jobs no longer seen as being worth the cost.

Unemployment is still at a record low. More people are being hired overall than fired.
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You can argue of course that is correlation, and that the reform did not cause that as well of course.

Correlation is not causation.

You can certainly criticize the reforms on various grounds. I support some aspects of said reforms and oppose others.

But cherry picking one specific correlation to do so is not a good argument.
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Postby Novus America » Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:19 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Sicaris wrote:Okay. And?

Yeah it sucks, but it’s a private company and they can fire whomever they want for whatever reason they want so long as it is lawful.

In this case, it is. AT&T’s stock will probably take a hit, a significant one at that, but you don’t need to rage about it and hope the company’s money and stocks get eviscerated.


Something can be lawful and be shitty at the same time.

Why shouldn't I? The greedy corporation was given an inch and they took a mile.

AT&T and the rest of it's greedy ilk can go get there stock fucked if and or when a US general strike is called.


What AT&T is doing is something the could and did do before any tax or regulatory reforms.
Maybe it is bad, maybe not. Surely they are greedy fucks, but sometimes corporate restructuring is necessary and beneficial in the long term.

But destroying their stocks does not cause them to hire more people you know.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:21 am

Adad Civilization wrote:Just more proof that Verison is the superior company


This tbh, AT&T is buns
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