Leftist Militias: Should Liberals Be Pro-Second Amendment?

[The Rich Port]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck_Revolt

As a pro-gun liberal, I was curious about whether there existed a counter to right-wing militias, and, sure enough, there are indeed a few groups. However, these groups are nowhere near as numerous as the 689 current active anti-government paramilitary groups (that curiously peaked during the Obama administration).

I studied the Redneck Revolt specifically, and they seemed, frankly, a little silly, though I appreciate that their mission is rather clear and concise. At the end of the day, though, they're one group, and a group with a frankly suspicious name.

After all, you know who else loves the color red? That's right. Communists and socialists. Yes, considering it's quite possible that the Redneck Revolt is a possibly Communist group, I have decided to ask myself, and therefore NSG, the question: should the left begin to arm itself in response to the increased presence of anti-government right wing militias, without espousing far-left ideals?

As a pro-gun liberal, I personally don't think it would be a... Terrible idea, just one that could easily get out of control, since private militias are a bad idea in general, especially when they're full of paranoid survivalists who are fond of self-fulfilling prophecies (I mean obviously the government is unreliable and oppressive: they panic and increase security when they're attacked by terrorists/"freedom fighters" like the Sovereign Citizen Movement and the fucking Bundinistas).

I have also noticed that quite a large number of liberals are anti-gun/Second Amendment. Granted, I realize that the evidence against the Second Amendment is there, however, I find it highly unlikely that the Second Amendment is ever going to be struck down... Enough that I refuse to compromise the rest of my political beliefs in favor of it.

At the same time, however... Is it a good idea to be pro-Second Amendment? Does the Second Amendment advocate a state-funded militia, or private militias? Should liberals bear arms, or is that counter-productive, both towards national and local safety and crime safety? Are leftist militias a concept that is too far-left?

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I fully support anti-fascist militias being armed for the purpose of self-defense and deterrence.

[The Rich Port]

I fully support anti-fascist militias being armed for the purpose of self-defense and deterrence.

I think they would be pretty fun, educational, and would encourage civic involvement, personally.

Nothing more fun than pretending to be a soldier with all your friends, playing grab-ass in the forest and pinging targets all day. (づ⪧ヮ⪦)づ

And before you guys say "join an airsoft club"... I already have. It's really not the same.

[Merther]

Left or right, people shouldn't be allowed to form armed militias. Armed militias are to be formed in case of civil war, or to use as reinforcements if your country is attacked, hence the armed militias in Poland like the ONR and Hussars, and the Azov Batallion / Novorossian forces in Ukraine. There is no use for an armed militia in the United States, wether it is through the Second Amendment (Yeah I'm gonna start a world war but whatever) or through organized paramilitary groups.

[Frievolk]

Personally I support it tbh. The Right is really ahead of the Left in regards to arms and equipment. The Left needs to pull itself up as soon as it can.

[The Rich Port]

Left or right, people shouldn't be allowed to form armed militias. Armed militias are to be formed in case of civil war, or to use as reinforcements if your country is attacked, hence the armed militias in Poland like the ONR and Hussars, and the Azov Batallion / Novorossian forces in Ukraine. There is no use for an armed militia in the United States, wether it is through the Second Amendment (Yeah I'm gonna start a world war but whatever) or through organized paramilitary groups.

So you don't form organized militias except until they're needed? That doesn't make any sense. You can't train an effective combat group on a moment's notice.

You have to train and equip and outfit and instill camaraderie in soldiers. That doesn't happen overnight. It happens over at least months.

The more you train, the more you establish the group, the more prepared they are to do what they need to do.

Meanwhile, these right-wing militia groups have been hiding in the forests and the fields, training, festering, isolating not just their communities but their minds, not out of a desire to defend the stability of the country but out of a cynical paranoia that the world is out to get them.

[The Chuck]

As a right leaning conservative I fully support left leaning people forming militias for self-defense/recreation. In the United States it is bound in our Constitution that "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Both sides of the aisle should be able to go out and exercise their Second Amendment rights if they so choose. However, I pray that there is never another Civil War but I understand in the modern political climate that many people are worried about the very very faint possibility.

[The Rich Port]

As a right leaning conservative I fully support left leaning people forming militias for self-defense/recreation. In the United States it is bound in our Constitution that "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Both sides of the aisle should be able to go out and exercise their Second Amendment rights if they so choose. However, I pray that there is never another Civil War but I understand in the modern political climate that many people are worried about the very very faint possibility.

The biggest question with this is whether people will responsibly use weapons.

And frankly, left wing militias being a deterrent is the secondary effect of them, IMO. I think militias would be excellent to teach the entire nation basic self-defense and civic duty. Home defense, community cohesion, responsible and informed use of deadly weapons, all of these things would shoot up.

Guns are tools, but tools of death. The people wielding them should have the discipline necessary to use them to serve the public good.

[Merther]

So you don't form organized militias except until they're needed? That doesn't make any sense. You can't train an effective combat group on a moment's notice.

You have to train and equip and outfit and instill camaraderie in soldiers. That doesn't happen overnight. It happens over at least months.

The more you train, the more you establish the group, the more prepared they are to do what they need to do.

Meanwhile, these right-wing militia groups have been hiding in the forests and the fields, training, festering, isolating not just their communities but their minds, not out of a desire to defend the stability of the country but out of a cynical paranoia that the world is out to get them.

You can train them before sending them to the frontline, it's exactly what the Azov bataillion did when it was formed at the very beginning of the war. And maybe that I have a very "Euro" centered vision of war, but the best way to instill camaraderie is through blood spilled facing a common enemy. Militias are volunteers. You don't conscript private Militias, it wouldn't make sense. The fact that they are volunteers means that they fight for something other than because they government asked them to. They might not be professionnals and frankly, never will, but they sure won't give up the fight first.

Take a look at the OAS for example : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisat ... cr%C3%A8te

And the fact that these "right-wing" militias have such liberty (The liberty of forming a quasi-separatist community) is against the very definition of a "Community". This is toxic. They shouldn't be killed or put in jails, but their groups should be disbanded. You can't have a stable country when private militias are hiding in the woods as if the government was constantly about to raid them.

[The Chuck]

As a right leaning conservative I fully support left leaning people forming militias for self-defense/recreation. In the United States it is bound in our Constitution that "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Both sides of the aisle should be able to go out and exercise their Second Amendment rights if they so choose. However, I pray that there is never another Civil War but I understand in the modern political climate that many people are worried about the very very faint possibility.

The biggest question with this is whether people will responsibly use weapons.

And frankly, left wing militias being a deterrent is the secondary effect of them, IMO. I think militias would be excellent to teach the entire nation basic self-defense and civic duty. Home defense, community cohesion, responsible and informed use of deadly weapons, all of these things would shoot up.

Guns are tools, but tools of death. The people wielding them should have the discipline necessary to use them to serve the public good.

Very well said! I couldn't agree with you more on this.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Why hasn't the left already come to the conclusion that in order to counter the right's militias, they have to form their own?

It's preparation for a potential conflict on equal grounds and a form of intimidation, it's good for both sides.

[Captiotia]

Liberals aren't leftists. . . but yes, many of us anticapitalists will need to become armed and properly trained to defend the revolution against the state. This applies extra for LGBT people and PoC.

We revolutionary socialists have known this for decades.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

By definition, liberalism is pro-gun, though an unfortunate amount of people mistake the totally illiberal attitudes of today's """liberals""" who are really just left-wing conservatives or regressives (whatever you wanna call them) for liberalism.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Liberals aren't leftists. . .

They can be, take me as an example.

[The Rich Port]

Liberals aren't leftists. . . but yes, many of us anticapitalists will need to become armed and properly trained to defend the revolution against the state. This applies extra for LGBT people and PoC.

We revolutionary socialists have known this for decades.

Tell that to the Trump cadre, and to a lot of Democrats.

Why hasn't the left already come to the conclusion that in order to counter the right's militias, they have to form their own?

It's preparation for a potential conflict on equal grounds and a form of intimidation, it's good for both sides.

I really would hate to see the liberal militia movement devolve into the survivalist paranoia that happened with the right wing. I support lawful defensive groups, not terrorist actions.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Liberals aren't leftists. . . but yes, many of us anticapitalists will need to become armed and properly trained to defend the revolution against the state. This applies extra for LGBT people and PoC.

We revolutionary socialists have known this for decades.

LGBT+ and PoC self-defense groups, gun clubs and even militas already exist (Pink Pistols are a notable example), yet their membership numbers are a drop in the ocean of right-wing militias.

Don't you want to protect your own damn lives!?

[Dumb Ideologies]

Imagine the shock when antifa kiddies find out that shooting centrists in the face for microaggressions isn't self-defence.

[The Rich Port]

That would be the irony of ironies.

The American National Gun Ban was signed due to paranoid SJW hippie militias.

[Telconi]

Liberals aren't leftists. . . but yes, many of us anticapitalists will need to become armed and properly trained to defend the revolution against the state. This applies extra for LGBT people and PoC.

We revolutionary socialists have known this for decades.

Tell that to the Trump cadre, and to a lot of Democrats.

Why hasn't the left already come to the conclusion that in order to counter the right's militias, they have to form their own?

It's preparation for a potential conflict on equal grounds and a form of intimidation, it's good for both sides.

I really would hate to see the liberal militia movement devolve into the survivalist paranoia that happened with the right wing. I support lawful defensive groups, not terrorist actions.

As someone who in your mind is probably part of the "Trump Cadre" and who is also part of a citizen militia which, among other things, actively works to educate LGBT and other minority groups on self defense and their rights to such, I resent your implication.

[Confederate States of German America]

I fully support anti-fascist militias being armed for the purpose of self-defense and deterrence.

Exactly why I opposed this.

[The Rich Port]

Tell that to the Trump cadre, and to a lot of Democrats.



I really would hate to see the liberal militia movement devolve into the survivalist paranoia that happened with the right wing. I support lawful defensive groups, not terrorist actions.

As someone who in your mind is probably part of the "Trump Cadre" and who is also part of a citizen militia which, among other things, actively works to educate LGBT and other minority groups on self defense and their rights to such, I resent your implication.

... That you see liberals as leftists?

... OK?

What is your group called?

[Telconi]

As someone who in your mind is probably part of the "Trump Cadre" and who is also part of a citizen militia which, among other things, actively works to educate LGBT and other minority groups on self defense and their rights to such, I resent your implication.

... That you see liberals as leftists?

... OK?

What is your group called?

I was referring to this part.

This applies extra for LGBT people and PoC

[Captiotia]

Imagine the shock when antifa kiddies find out that shooting centrists in the face for microaggressions isn't self-defence.

Yes, that's obviously what we're really worried about, not organized state violence against us.

[The Rich Port]

I fully support anti-fascist militias being armed for the purpose of self-defense and deterrence.

Exactly why I opposed this.

You're against American citizens exercising their right to bear arms against Nazi aggressors?

1945 called, they want their IRONY back.

I was referring to this part.

This applies extra for LGBT people and PoC

Well I wasn't.

What's your group called, I wanna look them up.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

I fully support anti-fascist militias being armed for the purpose of self-defense and deterrence.

Exactly why I opposed this.

There is a difference between self-defense, national protection and deterrence...

And hunting down supposed "fascists" (which are almost always bound to be innocent conservatives) with left-wing death squads.

One is good, the other isn't.