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Postby Arasi Luvasa » Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:09 pm

Bears Armed wrote:
Arasi Luvasa wrote:Hey, using my own history against me. Not 100% certain it was thought of in those terms by the apartheid government though. Members of homelands were considered part of their own country/nation, only that country/nation could not have XXX of it's own (including an army, I just can't remember what else). A result of this is that pretty much no-one other than the apartheid government considered the homelands separate countries/nations. That's what I heard in either geography or history anyway, the apartheid goverment ised rather wonky logic to justify it's oppressive regime.

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Apartheid was already in force for a while before the creation of the 'homelands', and even after that some disenfranchised non-white' groups (e.g. 'Cape Coloureds', 'Malays') still didn't have 'homelands' assigned.


Unfortunately we seem to have been considered citizens of South Africa, just not full citizens in that we were unable to vote and run for office. It seems more a case of selective disenfranchisement instead of revoked citizenship.
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Postby Wallenburg » Mon Jan 21, 2019 2:28 pm

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Arasi Luvasa wrote:Again, repealing it was pointless. It just means that those who were afforded some protection against disenfranchisement are stripped of all protections until the new legislation is passed.

OOC: No they're not. You have to look at CoCR with extremely polarized glasses to be able to read it that way.

OOC: I don't see an individual's debt status as an "arbitrarily assigned and reductive categorisation". For that reason, I'd say that CoCR has no application here.
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Postby Dirty Americans » Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:36 pm

Falcania wrote:All of this legislation takes it as read that every constituent member of the World Assembly is, or should be, a democracy.


In short, we can't have any "Furtherment of Democracy" resolutions because not all nations are democratic?
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Postby Araraukar » Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:02 am

Wallenburg wrote:OOC: I don't see an individual's debt status as an "arbitrarily assigned and reductive categorisation". For that reason, I'd say that CoCR has no application here.

OOC: Then we disagree on what's arbitrary and reductive, in this case. Though CoCR specifically mentions "economic ... background", which is what I'm basing my "covered by CoCR" opinion.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:07 am

Araraukar wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:OOC: I don't see an individual's debt status as an "arbitrarily assigned and reductive categorisation". For that reason, I'd say that CoCR has no application here.

OOC: Then we disagree on what's arbitrary and reductive, in this case. Though CoCR specifically mentions "economic ... background", which is what I'm basing my "covered by CoCR" opinion.


OOC: I don't think that is right. The status of debt isn't arbitrary insofar as it is a consequence of actions, and not a consequence of randomness or of inherent, uncontrollable traits. Economic background has to do with poverty or economic class. Debt spans economic class.

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Postby Borovan entered the region as he » Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:09 pm

Repeal "Debtor Voting Rights" was passed 10,936 votes to 5,079.

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Postby Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar » Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:41 pm

This has passed! :lol:
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Postby Newark Aristocracy » Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:43 pm

Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar wrote:This has passed! :lol:


BOOOO,BOOO,BOO,BOO!
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Postby Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:13 pm

Newark Aristocracy wrote:
Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar wrote:This has passed! :lol:


BOOOO,BOOO,BOO,BOO!
Give'Em hell boys!

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Postby Falcania » Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:23 am

Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar wrote:This has passed! :lol:


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Postby Dirty Americans » Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:48 pm

Today brevity has died.
And so as wit.
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Postby Elyreia » Thu Jan 24, 2019 3:08 pm

Elyreia will be eagerly awaiting proper legislation to address debtor laws.
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Postby Stoskavanya » Thu Jan 24, 2019 3:41 pm

Dirty Americans wrote:Today brevity has died.
And so as wit.

Wit?
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Postby Elyreia » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:35 pm

Stoskavanya wrote:
Dirty Americans wrote:Today brevity has died.
And so as wit.

Wit?

I believe it is in reference to ancient playwright William Shakesman, "brevity is the soul of wit".
Unfortunately, legislation is not brief so brevity is not what we want for GARs. What we need is Occham's Razor - as short and concise as possible to get the desired effect, but not so short that it causes more problems or ambiguity.
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