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When is it time to leave a country becoming a dictatorship?

Postby Tokora » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:09 am

You always hear that you have to stay in the country to vote in the next election, but what about when that election is either rigged or never comes. What about when any kind of revolution is doomed to failure? Under what circumstances is it finally acceptable to abandon a country sliding into a dictatorship?

Mind you I don't honestly believe that America is that bad yet, but as I watch Brazil, Turkey, and central Europe I need to know when it's finally time to abandon ship.

Personally I think it's time to leave when your group is too small to have a chance of winning at all anymore.

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Postby Nova Corina » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:11 am

When the government starts to persecute people who don't share the same beliefs as the government, that would be a good time to leave.

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Postby Unithonia » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:13 am

Tokora wrote:You always hear that you have to stay in the country to vote in the next election, but what about when that election is either rigged or never comes. What about when any kind of revolution is doomed to failure? Under what circumstances is it finally acceptable to abandon a country sliding into a dictatorship?

Mind you I don't honestly believe that America is that bad yet, but as I watch Brazil, Turkey, and central Europe I need to know when it's finally time to abandon ship.

Personally I think it's time to leave when your group is too small to have a chance of winning at all anymore.

When Bernie or Ocasio-Cortez is elected, if you are a private business owner like my uncle. Trust me, there's no such thing as a democratic socialist.
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Postby Heloin » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:14 am

Tokora wrote:You always hear that you have to stay in the country to vote in the next election, but what about when that election is either rigged or never comes. What about when any kind of revolution is doomed to failure? Under what circumstances is it finally acceptable to abandon a country sliding into a dictatorship?

Mind you I don't honestly believe that America is that bad yet, but as I watch Brazil, Turkey, and central Europe I need to know when it's finally time to abandon ship.

Personally I think it's time to leave when your group is too small to have a chance of winning at all anymore.

My parents didn't take us out of Zimbabwe till 2009. There is really no point when you get the hell out of Dodge aside from the point you decide you can't take it anymore. Some people leave day one, some people take years, and some never leave. Hell, as soon as I can I'm heading back to my dictatorship even if I hate the government.
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Postby Tokora » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:15 am

Unithonia wrote:
Tokora wrote:You always hear that you have to stay in the country to vote in the next election, but what about when that election is either rigged or never comes. What about when any kind of revolution is doomed to failure? Under what circumstances is it finally acceptable to abandon a country sliding into a dictatorship?

Mind you I don't honestly believe that America is that bad yet, but as I watch Brazil, Turkey, and central Europe I need to know when it's finally time to abandon ship.

Personally I think it's time to leave when your group is too small to have a chance of winning at all anymore.

When Bernie or Ocasio-Cortez is elected, if you are a private business owner like my uncle. Trust me, there's no such thing as a democratic socialist.

It might not have been politically Democratic but Yugoslavia was a pretty good place to live under Tito. Personally I don't think there's such a thing as a democratic capitalist, but that's besides the point.

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Postby Unithonia » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:15 am

Heloin wrote:
Tokora wrote:You always hear that you have to stay in the country to vote in the next election, but what about when that election is either rigged or never comes. What about when any kind of revolution is doomed to failure? Under what circumstances is it finally acceptable to abandon a country sliding into a dictatorship?

Mind you I don't honestly believe that America is that bad yet, but as I watch Brazil, Turkey, and central Europe I need to know when it's finally time to abandon ship.

Personally I think it's time to leave when your group is too small to have a chance of winning at all anymore.

My parents didn't take us out of Zimbabwe till 2009. There is really no point when you get the hell out of Dodge aside from the point you decide you can't take it anymore. Some people leave day one, some people take years, and some never leave. Hell, as soon as I can I'm heading back to my dictatorship even if I hate the government.

I have a friend from Zimbabwe who might discourage you from doing that, as you are white. He has people try to kill him 90% of days because he's white.
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Postby Unithonia » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:16 am

Tokora wrote:
Unithonia wrote:When Bernie or Ocasio-Cortez is elected, if you are a private business owner like my uncle. Trust me, there's no such thing as a democratic socialist.

It might not have been politically Democratic but Yugoslavia was a pretty good place to live under Tito. Personally I don't think there's such a thing as a democratic capitalist, but that's besides the point.

That can be disproved by America lol
Although, you aren't uber-capitalist, with all that welfare.
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Postby Tokora » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:18 am

Unithonia wrote:That can be disproved by America lol

Are you sure? Trump won after all.

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Postby Purpelia » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:21 am

Unithonia wrote:
Tokora wrote:It might not have been politically Democratic but Yugoslavia was a pretty good place to live under Tito. Personally I don't think there's such a thing as a democratic capitalist, but that's besides the point.

That can be disproved by America lol
Although, you aren't uber-capitalist, with all that welfare.

America isn't a democracy though. It's an oligarchy. You literally have two establishment parties playing musical chairs for the government with any outsider having basically zero real chance of achieving anything.
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Postby Unithonia » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:21 am

Tokora wrote:
Unithonia wrote:That can be disproved by America lol

Are you sure? Trump won after all.

When was that a dictatorship?
Electoral College my friend, you are a Republic.
But this is off-topic, let's go back to talk about when it's time to leave
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Postby The Rapture Republic » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:21 am

Depends on the type of Dictatorship, tbh. If it’s communist, while I’m out. Anything else like Pinochet’s Chile or Myanmar, I’m completely fine with it.
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Postby Unithonia » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:22 am

Purpelia wrote:
Unithonia wrote:That can be disproved by America lol
Although, you aren't uber-capitalist, with all that welfare.

America isn't a democracy though. It's an oligarchy. You literally have two establishment parties playing musical chairs for the government with any outsider having basically zero real chance of achieving anything.

It's a Republic
And I agree, but other parties aren't that great, besides Libertarians
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:22 am

Why leave when you can fight?
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Postby Unithonia » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:23 am

Thermodolia wrote:Why leave when you can fight?

*COME OUT YE BLACK AND TANS Intensifies*
*French Intensifies*
*1776 Intensifies*
And so forth. Seems a lot of great countries have sprung from rebellion
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:24 am

Thermodolia wrote:Why leave when you can fight?

It takes a lot to put your life on the line like that. Dictators are difficult to depose.
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Postby Unithonia » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:25 am

The Rapture Republic wrote:Depends on the type of Dictatorship, tbh. If it’s communist, while I’m out. Anything else like Pinochet’s Chile or Myanmar, I’m completely fine with it.

I know I'll be getting out of America if they ever elect a Socialist. My families money (or lack thereof) is based in private-sectors, meaning I'd be f*cked
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:25 am

Unithonia wrote:
Purpelia wrote:America isn't a democracy though. It's an oligarchy. You literally have two establishment parties playing musical chairs for the government with any outsider having basically zero real chance of achieving anything.

It's a Republic
And I agree, but other parties aren't that great, besides Libertarians

It’s a democratic republic. Though the democratic part is being chipped away
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Postby Unithonia » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:26 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Why leave when you can fight?

It takes a lot to put your life on the line like that. Dictators are difficult to depose.

We (Ireland) did it, but it took a...fair few tries
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:26 am

Unithonia wrote:Trust me, there's no such thing as a democratic socialist.

I don't trust you.
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Postby Heloin » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:26 am

Unithonia wrote:
Heloin wrote:My parents didn't take us out of Zimbabwe till 2009. There is really no point when you get the hell out of Dodge aside from the point you decide you can't take it anymore. Some people leave day one, some people take years, and some never leave. Hell, as soon as I can I'm heading back to my dictatorship even if I hate the government.

I have a friend from Zimbabwe who might discourage you from doing that, as you are white. He has people try to kill him 90% of days because he's white.

I don't think you get what I'm saying. There is no point that everyone should leave a dictatorship, because it's based on the point were you can't live there anymore. If I'm saying I'm part of the people willing to take those risks then I'll be one of those willing to ride out the worst of it.

The kind of Whites in Zimbabwe talking about people trying to kill them nowadays are those who already are packing for Perth anyways.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:27 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Why leave when you can fight?

It takes a lot to put your life on the line like that. Dictators are difficult to depose.

If a dictator rose in the US I wouldn’t leave. I have nowhere to go, this is my home.
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Postby Unithonia » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:28 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Unithonia wrote:It's a Republic
And I agree, but other parties aren't that great, besides Libertarians

It’s a democratic republic. Though the democratic part is being chipped away

By whom? I still see popular vote as mattering to the electoral college, I just think they found Trump was a better candidate, that's not a dictatorship. It's not like in 2020 there won't be another election.
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Postby Unithonia » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:30 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Unithonia wrote:Trust me, there's no such thing as a democratic socialist.

I don't trust you.

Hey look, the Socialist
Alright, let's talk.
Do you know what Socialism is? If so, please, explain your definition to me.
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Postby Heloin » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:31 am

Unithonia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:I don't trust you.

Hey look, the Socialist
Alright, let's talk.
Do you know what Socialism is? If so, please, explain your definition to me.

You clearly don't.
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Postby Unithonia » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:31 am

Thermodolia wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:It takes a lot to put your life on the line like that. Dictators are difficult to depose.

If a dictator rose in the US I wouldn’t leave. I have nowhere to go, this is my home.

We agree on something lol
I would stand with America, I don't want other countries overrun by dictatorships, especially one I love as much as the US
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