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Which Candidate do you support?

Bernie
11
35%
Beto
1
3%
Biden
1
3%
Buttigieg
4
13%
Harris
1
3%
Warren
2
6%
Yang
0
No votes
Trump
8
26%
Weld
0
No votes
Other
3
10%
 
Total votes : 31

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Eternal Lotharia
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Eternal Lotharia » Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:52 am

Zurkerx wrote:Oh, here's also what the candidates have raised, spent, have on hands: All Broken Down For You

Oh grateful Eternal Lotharia, please link this in the OP so we can track and scrutinize everyone's campaigns, por favor.

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Postby Juristonia » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:17 am

San Lumen wrote:
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I fail to see what's wrong with her statement.

So do I. Some of the people on the left dont get that you can't take someone like AOC and expect to win in Missouri

Even if she is right, you can be right about something and go about it in entirely the wrong way though.

Pelosi's been increasingly dismissive and lashing out at the progressive side of the party, and it's going to work against her.
You can't constantly snark at your own party members, snark at children, snark at anyone pushing ideals slightly to the left of yours and not expect there to be blowback.
It's making her look exactly like the arrogant and entitled Dem stereotype the GOP have so successfully been beating the Dems around the ears with.

If nothing else, it's a bad look, and if Pelosi is so pre-occupied with winning rather than ideals, she should know that looks are, unfortunately, important in politics.
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Postby Juristonia » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:34 am


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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:48 am



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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:58 am

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:33 am


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Hakons
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Moralistic Democracy

Postby Hakons » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:40 am

Shrillland wrote:
Duhon wrote:
I fail to see what's wrong with her statement.


To say that the Progressive message could be seen as a menace by voters is a little much when plenty of voters support those policies in the abstract, at least.


A lot of progressive policies are a menace to many voters. Green New Deal, growing anti-Israel sentiment, radical abortion measures, upending the medical industry, ect... As someone that holds a few views in common with Democrats, the progressive wing just makes the party unpalatable.

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Zurkerx
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Capitalizt

Postby Zurkerx » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:42 am

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:Oh, here's also what the candidates have raised, spent, have on hands: All Broken Down For You

Oh grateful Eternal Lotharia, please link this in the OP so we can track and scrutinize everyone's campaigns, por favor.

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I will note that for sure :p

Oh, btw, that link does show the funding for the first quarter but I suspect it's going to keep track of all raised/spent throughout the duration of their respective 2020 campaigns.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:47 am

Shrillland wrote:
Duhon wrote:
I fail to see what's wrong with her statement.


To say that the Progressive message could be seen as a menace by voters is a little much when plenty of voters support those policies in the abstract, at least.


"Plenty" of people can support something (especially in the abstract) and yet the rest can still find it menacing.
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Hakons
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Moralistic Democracy

Postby Hakons » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:47 am

Shrillland wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:"But he rebuilt South Bend"
At the expense of the minority populations.

A black Police Chief revealed racism and corruption in the SBPD. Buttigieg threw him under the bus.

Allows gentrification to go ham across the city.

Has done nothing to meaningfully help the black communities in South Bend.

Actually thinks he can use his sexuality to make people think he's not bigoted. Gay people can't be racist you know?

Source: Living in South Bend, Working with politicians in South Bend, being a campaign worker in South Bend, having good friends who have been harmed by Buttigieg's policies.



Well, he wasn't on my top list anyway.


If I remember right, he sees court-packing as a viable option, which is just constitutionally horrendous.

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Shrillland
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Shrillland » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:52 am

Telconi wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
To say that the Progressive message could be seen as a menace by voters is a little much when plenty of voters support those policies in the abstract, at least.


"Plenty" of people can support something (especially in the abstract) and yet the rest can still find it menacing.


Yes, but I mean that a lot of Democratic voters will still support Progressive candidates as long as they show that their policies will help them rather than just the "Militant Tendency"(a little hyperbolic, but that's how many Americans see them)wing of the party that stays in its cities.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:56 am

Shrillland wrote:
Telconi wrote:
"Plenty" of people can support something (especially in the abstract) and yet the rest can still find it menacing.


Yes, but I mean that a lot of Democratic voters will still support Progressive candidates as long as they show that their policies will help them rather than just the "Militant Tendency" wing of the party that stays in its cities.


Sure, but it gets harder to Express if John Q. Voter thinks you're a dangerous crazy person. Not to mention, staying home is an option too, and menacing candidates tend to encourage that.
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Ism
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Founded: Oct 14, 2011
Iron Fist Socialists

Postby Ism » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:00 pm

Hakons wrote:
Shrillland wrote:

Well, he wasn't on my top list anyway.


If I remember right, he sees court-packing as a viable option, which is just constitutionally horrendous.


It’s more like court reform than court packing, I don’t know why they call it that. The idea he supports is focused on depoliticizing the Supreme Court, rather than stuffing it full of yes men.

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Postby Telconi » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:02 pm

Ism wrote:
Hakons wrote:
If I remember right, he sees court-packing as a viable option, which is just constitutionally horrendous.


It’s more like court reform than court packing, I don’t know why they call it that. The idea he supports is focused on depoliticizing the Supreme Court, rather than stuffing it full of yes men.


How could you do that?
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:04 pm

Telconi wrote:
Ism wrote:
It’s more like court reform than court packing, I don’t know why they call it that. The idea he supports is focused on depoliticizing the Supreme Court, rather than stuffing it full of yes men.


How could you do that?


Ideas floated:

Term limits, rotating from the appelate court, ten appointees and five chosen unanimously from the previous ten.

The best part is any reform doesn't need bother the Constitution, since the supreme authority with establishing the courts lies with Congress. They'd just need a new Judiciary Act.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:07 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Telconi wrote:
How could you do that?


Ideas floated:

Term limits, rotating from the appelate court, ten appointees and five chosen unanimously from the previous ten.

The best part is any reform doesn't need bother the Constitution, since the supreme authority with establishing the courts lies with Congress. They'd just need a new Judiciary Act.


None of these will depoliticize the court, you'll just stir it up so the political bend changes more rapidly at best.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:09 pm

Telconi wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Ideas floated:

Term limits, rotating from the appelate court, ten appointees and five chosen unanimously from the previous ten.

The best part is any reform doesn't need bother the Constitution, since the supreme authority with establishing the courts lies with Congress. They'd just need a new Judiciary Act.


None of these will depoliticize the court, you'll just stir it up so the political bend changes more rapidly at best.


I invite you to actually deconstruct why all of them are non-solutions instead of just saying it.
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Capitalizt

Postby Zurkerx » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:11 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Telconi wrote:
How could you do that?


Ideas floated:

Term limits, rotating from the appelate court, ten appointees and five chosen unanimously from the previous ten.

The best part is any reform doesn't need bother the Constitution, since the supreme authority with establishing the courts lies with Congress. They'd just need a new Judiciary Act.


An age limit sounds ideal (like to 75-80), but if ten of those appointees are done by the same President, than more likely than not, those five Justices will pick five people similar to their ideals. Of course, that's far from likely but would all ten have to reach unanimous consent now? That could reduce the politicizing at least. Any nomination in the Senate should meet a 60 vote threshold, you know, like the old days...
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Postby Telconi » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:12 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Telconi wrote:
None of these will depoliticize the court, you'll just stir it up so the political bend changes more rapidly at best.


I invite you to actually deconstruct why all of them are non-solutions instead of just saying it.


The court continues to consist of people. Not robots, or legal analysis computers, or beings of divine impartiality.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:13 pm

Telconi wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
I invite you to actually deconstruct why all of them are non-solutions instead of just saying it.


The court continues to consist of people. Not robots, or legal analysis computers, or beings of divine impartiality.


Okay, so you can't.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:14 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Telconi wrote:
The court continues to consist of people. Not robots, or legal analysis computers, or beings of divine impartiality.


Okay, so you can't.


As proven by me doing so.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:18 pm

Telconi wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Okay, so you can't.


As proven by me doing so.


So I never actually said that it's possible to be perfect in that way, but that the solutions would make it less worse than it is. You're the only one arguing with standards of perfection and not standards of improvement.

I understand that you prefer the status quo because Democrats are literally evil or whatever, but you could at least try to engage the point and not around it.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:21 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Telconi wrote:
As proven by me doing so.


So I never actually said that it's possible to be perfect in that way, but that the solutions would make it less worse than it is. You're the only one arguing with standards of perfection and not standards of improvement.

I understand that you prefer the status quo because Democrats are literally evil or whatever, but you could at least try to engage the point and not around it.


Mixing up the shit doesn't make it less shit. It makes it more homogeneous shit.

Also, yes, I totally prefer the status quo. :roll:
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:24 pm

Telconi wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
So I never actually said that it's possible to be perfect in that way, but that the solutions would make it less worse than it is. You're the only one arguing with standards of perfection and not standards of improvement.

I understand that you prefer the status quo because Democrats are literally evil or whatever, but you could at least try to engage the point and not around it.


Mixing up the shit doesn't make it less shit. It makes it more homogeneous shit.

Also, yes, I totally prefer the status quo. :roll:


Again I ask you for specific objections as to why it wouldn't fix the problem that aren't some innane nihilistic "everyone deep down stucks, maaan" but, I mean, you can't.
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