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2019-2020 US Elections Megathread I- It Begins

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Which Candidate do you support?

Bernie
102
33%
Beto
3
1%
Biden
15
5%
Buttigieg
27
9%
Harris
4
1%
Warren
17
6%
Yang
24
8%
Trump
88
29%
Weld
3
1%
Other
25
8%
 
Total votes : 308

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Postby Page » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:04 am

I'll write a substantial post after I find out this thread won't be closed.

Here's a short one: I'd love it if either Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren run, I'd vote for either, I just hope both of them don't run, cause if the progressive vote is split then a corporate Dem will win.
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Postby Dresderstan » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:04 am

*bangs head on desk*

Can't we at least get one year without having to deal with an election just once in my life!?
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Postby Republicanana » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:05 am

Page wrote:I'll write a substantial post after I find out this thread won't be closed.

Here's a short one: I'd love it if either Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren run, I'd vote for either, I just hope both of them don't run, cause if the progressive vote is split then a corporate Dem will win.


I am hoping they don't close it, I was planning on making a megathread as soon as some serious contenders started making official moves, which we got today.

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Postby Valrifell » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:05 am

Page wrote:I'll write a substantial post after I find out this thread won't be closed.

Here's a short one: I'd love it if either Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren run, I'd vote for either, I just hope both of them don't run, cause if the progressive vote is split then a corporate Dem will win.


Sanders is the stronger general candidate imo. If he runs, Warren should respectfully bow out and coordinate efforts.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:06 am

Republicanana wrote:
Page wrote:I'll write a substantial post after I find out this thread won't be closed.

Here's a short one: I'd love it if either Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren run, I'd vote for either, I just hope both of them don't run, cause if the progressive vote is split then a corporate Dem will win.


I am hoping they don't close it, I was planning on making a megathread as soon as some serious contenders started making official moves, which we got today.


You have one big name declared. I would've waited for at least three.
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Postby Page » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:07 am

Dresderstan wrote:
Can't we at least get one year without having to deal with an election just once in my life!?


Sure the constant election speculation really wears thin, but on the other hand the results of this election will have a huge impact on America and the entire world.
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Postby Republicanana » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:08 am

Valrifell wrote:
Republicanana wrote:
I am hoping they don't close it, I was planning on making a megathread as soon as some serious contenders started making official moves, which we got today.


You have one big name declared. I would've waited for at least three.


I was wanting to get the head start as it sounds like a good bit of candidates might declare next month.

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Valrifell wrote:
You have one big name declared. I would've waited for at least three.


I was wanting to get the head start as it sounds like a good bit of candidates might declare next month.


I'm eagerly anticipating if any Republican will dare a serious primary attempt against Trump.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:17 am

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I was wanting to get the head start as it sounds like a good bit of candidates might declare next month.


I'm eagerly anticipating if any Republican will dare a serious primary attempt against Trump.

I hear that John Kasich is probably going to run as an independent. He has some pretty scathing words for the republicans apparently saying that if the party can’t be fixed he won’t support it.
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Postby Corrian » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:21 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Page wrote:
I'm eagerly anticipating if any Republican will dare a serious primary attempt against Trump.

I hear that John Kasich is probably going to run as an independent. He has some pretty scathing words for the republicans apparently saying that if the party can’t be fixed he won’t support it.

He also voted against his state parties "heartbeat" abortion ban, and some other law (Some did get overridden with a veto proof majority)
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Postby Shrive » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:25 am

Valrifell wrote:
Page wrote:I'll write a substantial post after I find out this thread won't be closed.

Here's a short one: I'd love it if either Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren run, I'd vote for either, I just hope both of them don't run, cause if the progressive vote is split then a corporate Dem will win.


Sanders is the stronger general candidate imo. If he runs, Warren should respectfully bow out and coordinate efforts.


I'd be happy with Sanders/Warren. Hell, I'd even be happy with Warren/Sanders.

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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:28 am

Not surprised about Warren.

I respect her career as a former crusader for Consumer Protection, as well as her career as a policymaker. What I don't respect is her obtuse grandstanding this last year or so - it's become obnoxious, and politically, it's shot her in the foot.

I know Castro also has formed an exploratory committee. I'm neutral on him - I think that he may be a little on the inexperienced side, perhaps also too opportunistic, but I don't know of any major policy points on which he and I would vehemently disagree.

I think that there are potentially some terrible choices for the Dems in 2020, and potentially some incredible choices. Just hoping the DNC stays as neutral as possible for the primaries.
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:28 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Page wrote:
I'm eagerly anticipating if any Republican will dare a serious primary attempt against Trump.

I hear that John Kasich is probably going to run as an independent. He has some pretty scathing words for the republicans apparently saying that if the party can’t be fixed he won’t support it.


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Postby Communist Xomaniax » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:47 am

I really don't want Warren to run tbh.
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Postby Garner Industrial State » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:49 am

I'm pretty sure every demographic will be split, so no worries
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Postby Ngelmish » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:58 am

Yeah, this strikes me as premature in the sense that it'll be a lot more telling if everybody we expect to run jumps in over the next month, or if some surprising passes happen. It's also hard to game out candidates' strengths and weaknesses when the field hasn't filled out yet.

Of those currently declared? I like Liz Warren, but she's a paper tiger. Even on paper, there are obvious vulnerabilities and on the stump her style is going to come across as "condescending." Neither Castro nor Ojeda have any real business running for president, but they can if they want to.

Of those undeclared, Biden is the most interesting to watch. He may be more effective as a kingmaker than as a candidate, and I think he knows that. Of course, he wants to run for president, so there's that too. The party's smartest bet will be to go with a candidate who has some working executive experience, is relatively new, and can run credibly on ethics -- both in the primary and then as a seamless pivot to the general.

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Postby Trumptonium1 » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:01 am

Haha. Warren.

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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:03 am

I’m just over here quietly hoping for either Klobuchar or Brown to run.
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:06 am

Valrifell wrote:
Page wrote:I'll write a substantial post after I find out this thread won't be closed.

Here's a short one: I'd love it if either Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren run, I'd vote for either, I just hope both of them don't run, cause if the progressive vote is split then a corporate Dem will win.


Sanders is the stronger general candidate imo. If he runs, Warren should respectfully bow out and coordinate efforts.


He might be, but his age is his biggest problem, given he'll be 78 and questions of his health will arise. The same problem arises with Biden as well. I think if they find someone that's young and has a mix of Sanders/Biden/Obama (or whatever combinations there are), they'll succeed.
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Postby Ngelmish » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:07 am

Major-Tom wrote:I’m just over here quietly hoping for either Klobuchar or Brown to run.


Klobuchar is an interesting choice, and one that I'm actually considering. But on the whole, I'd rather not have a congress critter. Those seats are worth their weight in gold.

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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:11 am

Ngelmish wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:I’m just over here quietly hoping for either Klobuchar or Brown to run.


Klobuchar is an interesting choice, and one that I'm actually considering. But on the whole, I'd rather not have a congress critter. Those seats are worth their weight in gold.


Klobuchar is immensely popular in Minnesota and has proven to be an effective Senator. Her electability aside, which I believe is high, she’d also likely be an effective and conciliatory President.

MN also leans Blue, I’m sure a hypothetical 2020 Special Election for her seat wouldn’t be particularly competitive.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:12 am

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I was wanting to get the head start as it sounds like a good bit of candidates might declare next month.


I'm eagerly anticipating if any Republican will dare a serious primary attempt against Trump.


Probably not, it's hardly a winning prospect.
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Postby Page » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:15 am

Major-Tom wrote:Just hoping the DNC stays as neutral as possible for the primaries.


That's sort of like hoping for snow in hell, I'm certainly not getting my hopes up. I have a feeling the DNC will push for a candidate who "gets it", and by "gets it", I mean someone who gets that the President has to do the bidding of Goldman Sachs, big pharma, the oil lobby, and the military industrial complex.
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Postby Page » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:18 am

Telconi wrote:
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I'm eagerly anticipating if any Republican will dare a serious primary attempt against Trump.


Probably not, it's hardly a winning prospect.


A Republican running a primary against Trump would almost certainly not win and wouldn't expect to win, it would be an act of spite. There are a few Republicans out there who might want to, either a neocon or a Republican whose policy positions aren't all too different from Trump's, but you know, someone who believes in "civility."
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