Japan to resume Whaling in 2019

[Salus Maior]

Hmmm? So if it's lessor; it's ok to kill?

That's how nature tends to operate.

[Novus America]

But besides killing them only benefits a tiny number of Japanese while harming the majority of Japanese.
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I don't think the Japanese government would continue to support whaling if only a "tiny" percent of Japanese benefited.

Except it is the case
https://www.ifaw.org/united-states/reso ... se-whaling
It employs less than 1,000 people.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytime ... l.amp.html
And Japanese people rarely eat whale.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wired. ... g-deal/amp

So very few Japanese benefits, yet is costs the government large subsidies (at time it is running massive deficits) and greatly harms Japans image.

But a combination of arrogance, pride and the excessive political influence of a tiny corrupt but surprisingly powerful lobby keeps the subsidies in place.

[Novus America]

People who work in whaling and coal industries can't do any work other than whaling and coal mining, apparently.

Job opportunities just grow on trees these days. Hey, since people can just find a better job, why even have protections for workers?

Actually in Japan they have a massive labor shortage.
The Japanese economy is desperate for workers, and whaling employs less than 1,000 people.
Finding them new jobs would not be difficult.

Japan has a 1.21 million person labor shortage which is skyrocketing.
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Japan ... vey-finds2

[Ors Might]

Job opportunities just grow on trees these days. Hey, since people can just find a better job, why even have protections for workers?

Actually in Japan they have a massive labor shortage.
The Japanese economy is desperate for workers, and whaling employs less than 1,000 people.
Finding them new jobs would not be difficult.

Japan has a 1.21 million person labor shortage which is skyrocketing.
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Japan ... vey-finds2

I take it that the labor shortage has something to do with Japan relaxing it’s restrictions on immigration?

[Novus America]

Actually in Japan they have a massive labor shortage.
The Japanese economy is desperate for workers, and whaling employs less than 1,000 people.
Finding them new jobs would not be difficult.

Japan has a 1.21 million person labor shortage which is skyrocketing.
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Japan ... vey-finds2

I take it that the labor shortage has something to do with Japan relaxing it’s restrictions on immigration?

Yes.
Japan is bringing in large numbers of guest workers to try to make up for the shortage.
So certainly it could put the whalers to other, productive work.

Subsidizing them to kill whales Japanese do not even eat is not a very good use of labor or government funds (shortage of both are problems for Japan).

[Diopolis]

Thing is this whaling does not even benefit humanity and most humans are against it.

The whale watching busines is larger, more profitable and more popular than killing them.
Humans actually like watching whales, so besides ecological reasons, preserving them is better than killing them.

This is more harmful than beneficial to humans as a whole.

That's actually the first intelligent argument I've heard on this thread. And one indeed worth considering. So what's the math on the issue? Like, are the Japanese going to kill so many whales that we can't send tour groups to reliably find and watch them? If so the best solution might be to find a middle ground of some sort. Like say a kill quota or a system where tour groups get to watch a whale and than it's killed to make the Japanese happy.

Worth mentioning that Iceland and Norway maintain both whale-watching and commercial whaling sectors, somehow.

[Novus America]

That's actually the first intelligent argument I've heard on this thread. And one indeed worth considering. So what's the math on the issue? Like, are the Japanese going to kill so many whales that we can't send tour groups to reliably find and watch them? If so the best solution might be to find a middle ground of some sort. Like say a kill quota or a system where tour groups get to watch a whale and than it's killed to make the Japanese happy.

Worth mentioning that Iceland and Norway maintain both whale-watching and commercial whaling sectors, somehow.

While it certainly is possible, it is difficult as the two are directly opposed.

If the Japanese whaling sector was actually profitable and producing product people want it could be considered.

But considering very few Japanese eat whale, much of the whale meat is unused, and large subsidies are required the big question is why?

Beyond corruption and pride there is no purpose to subsidize it.

[Ors Might]

:o

I take it that the labor shortage has something to do with Japan relaxing it’s restrictions on immigration?

Yes.
Japan is bringing in large numbers of guest workers to try to make up for the shortage.
So certainly it could put the whalers to other, productive work.

Subsidizing them to kill whales Japanese do not even eat is not a very good use of labor or government funds (shortage of both are problems for Japan).

In that case, Japan is making a poor decision here. Overhunting whales could lead to some practical issues with the ecosystem and they wouldn’t be gaining enough to justify the risk. Seems more like they’re trying to culturally dick swing.

[The Alma Mater]

:o

Yes.
Japan is bringing in large numbers of guest workers to try to make up for the shortage.
So certainly it could put the whalers to other, productive work.

Subsidizing them to kill whales Japanese do not even eat is not a very good use of labor or government funds (shortage of both are problems for Japan).

In that case, Japan is making a poor decision here. Overhunting whales could lead to some practical issues with the ecosystem and they wouldn’t be gaining enough to justify the risk. Seems more like they’re trying to culturally dick swing.

Oh, they are.
But for Japanese, culture is important.

[Alvecia]

Hmmm? So if it's lessor; it's ok to kill?

That's how nature tends to operate.

We might be born of nature, but we're not beholden to it.

[Wunderstrafanstalt]

Does Japan implement a quota system or limits or whatever though? Massacring whales to near extinction will result in no whaling which results in devastation of whaling culture/communities and the fishers are back on square one, but worse.

[Vanquaria]

Been a while since I've eaten whale, looking forward to it