Riots in Belgium&Govt loses majority after UN Migration Pact

[Trumptonium1]

Brussels descended into rioting today as the right-wing Flemish party called for a march against the Belgian Government following its signing of the UN Migration Pact in Morocco. The party New Flemish Alliance (N-VA) holds 31 seats in the clusterfuck that calls itself the Belgian Parliament, being the largest party. It quit the Belgian Government coalition following the signing of the pact, leaving the Government led by Charles Michel with the support of just 1/3rd of the Parliament.

Opposition parties are calling for a no-confidence vote sometime this week, however with the election being scheduled for May 2019 regardless, the larger opposition parties Dutch-speaking N-VA and French-speaking Socialists see little point in rushing it now.

N-VA party joined today with Vlaams Belang, commonly seen as Belgium's equivalent of Lega Nord etc. (right-wing nationalists), in protesting in the capital. However the protests quickly spiraled out of control as the Belgian Government ordered riot police in the streets, and Vlaams Belang supporters responded accordingly to the escalation.

https://twitter.com/ohboywhatashot/stat ... 8239364096

Damage was reported to EU buildings.

Bart Claes, the president of the youth wing of the Flemish nationalist party, Vlaams Belang, told the BBC that people should have been consulted before Belgium signed up to the deal.

"It's been approved apparently," he said. "But the opinion of the people was never asked. That's strange for something that goes this far."

Dries Van Langenhove, from the nationalist youth organisation Schild en Vrienden, agreed, saying the protesters wanted to "raise our voice against the Marrakech pact".

"We think the decision was not made in a democratic way, with a minority in government and a minority of the Belgian people," he said. "That's what we are protesting against."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46585237

Thoughts? Will we see more of these protests in the future against the pact? German nationalists have a similar rally planned for next week, just before Christmas. Perhaps that may descend into violence as well.

[Bombadil]

Goddamit it, I'm in Belgium over Christmas, I do hope this doesn't escalate.

[Greed and Death]

Goddamit it, I'm in Belgium over Christmas, I do hope this doesn't escalate.

I have been spreading fear and lies there to escalate things.

And do think my parents said learning Flemish wouldn't get me anything.

[Freezic Vast]

Is late 2018-2019 gonna be a period of right wing protests and riots against the current governments in Europe?

[Valrifell]

So much for the tolerant right.

oh wait

[Ostroeuropa]

Violence against the neoliberal order is escalating and becoming more normal, but they keep ramming through these changes. The public have recognized these oligarchs as illegitimate for a while now, they do not represent the interests of the public, only the interests of international financial elites, and their pretensions at democracy are a farce.

We're once again witnessing the far-right seize the initiative here to topple these Weimarists as they did historically, as the left wing cannot command enough of the population to do so due to its failings on social issues and its hostility to a large swathe of the public. I think we'll see more violence, more chaos, and that the collapse of the neoliberal agenda is inevitable.

What we'll see is some local scale elites with interests on a national scale align with the far-right, as they have in Brazil and to a lesser extent the UK with Brexit, a rebellion of the Mid-tier upper class against the Upper-Upper class and their global interests. In other places we'll see outright far right populism achieve victories. In some cases we'll see he oligarchs appropriate the language of anti-neoliberal rebellion only to push the same agenda, this is likely to result in violence eventually as Democracy breaks down due to endemic gaslighting, cronyism, polarization, and concentrated power.

Violent overthrow of a Weimarist government is probably down the line somewhere.

The situation is reaching the point where despite their animosity toward eachother, both the left and the far-right are prepared to take advantage of eachothers riots in order to join in with attacking the Neoliberal order.

Interesting times ahead.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

So much for the tolerant right.

oh wait

Y'know, they say history is doomed to repeat itself if one does not learn from it...

Sadly, feeding the far-right political ammunition seems to be the EU's field of expertise.

[South Ccanda]

Perhaps that may descend into violence as well.

I sure hope it doesn't.

[Nakena]

Good on Belgium.

[Ostroeuropa]

Perhaps that may descend into violence as well.

I sure hope it doesn't.

Democracy, representing the will of the public, prevents widespread political violence from the public. The oligarchs in charge of our countries pretend that merely reciting the words and the pageantry of democracy will give them legitimacy, and that violent resistance to a government that does not have the consent of the governed is ethically wrong merely because they spoke some magic words.

It is not right or wrong, it is merely inevitable and natural. People are not going to sit idly by and let other people rule them without their input, and denied the agency a truly representative democracy and the ballot would provide, they will resort to the bullet.

I hope that our elites flinch and give up on their globalist, neoliberal agenda and their anti-democratic practices. It would be a peaceful solution. How likely do you think that is?

[Mesadora]

Not usually for damage to property, but I've personally been becoming more and more hostile towards the United Nations, and god damn this Pact is a perfect example of why.

The UN isn't meant to wield nor claim to wield this power. Hopefully more protests like this occur. Hopefully, though I doubt it will happen, we can have some sort of widespread reform in the UN.

[Nakena]

Let's be real here. It is a LOT telling that the belgian Prime Minister let his government crash over the Migration Pact. Shows where his real priorities are and how far he's willing to go it, even destroying his parliamentary base to do so.

Thats some ideological dedication and one of those things that makes me reaallly think now what is going on there. If you catch my drift.

So... he puts an enormous importance to this supposedly anyways irrelevant and non-binding pact. A treaty like that is exactly as much worth as government value it. And it seems that the Belgian (and other) leaders value it a whole lot!

[New Acardia]

Hate to see the violence
But glad that people are standing up to the golbalist
And maybe this might be the begging of the end for the welfair states
(One can only hope)

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Let's be real here. It is a LOT telling that the belgian Prime Minister let his government crash over the Migration Pact. Shows where his real priorities are and how far he's willing to go it, even destroying his parliamentary base to do so.

Thats some ideological dedication and one of those things that makes me reaallly think now what is going on there. If you catch my drift.

So... he puts an enormous importance to this supposedly anyways irrelevant and non-binding pact. A treaty like that is exactly as much worth as government value it. And it seems that the Belgian (and other) leaders value it a whole lot!

It truly takes a blind idealist to sacrifice his political base for the sake of artificial feel-good points.

Goddamn idiots they are...

[Bombadil]

Ah Christmas.. season of goodwill to all people..

[South Ccanda]

I sure hope it doesn't.

Democracy, representing the will of the public, prevents widespread political violence from the public. The oligarchs in charge of our countries pretend that merely reciting the words and the pageantry of democracy will give them legitimacy, and that violent resistance to a government that does not have the consent of the governed is ethically wrong merely because they spoke some magic words.

It is not right or wrong, it is merely inevitable and natural. People are not going to sit idly by and let other people rule them without their input, and denied the agency a truly representative democracy and the ballot would provide, they will resort to the bullet.

I hope that our elites flinch and give up on their globalist, neoliberal agenda and their anti-democratic practices. It would be a peaceful solution. How likely do you think that is?

I don't find it likely, but I still have High hopes that it doesn't fall into chaos. From what years of suppressing violent tendencies has taught me is that there is always a difficult, but non-violent way of dealing with things.

[Valrifell]

So much for the tolerant right.

oh wait

Y'know, they say history is doomed to repeat itself if one does not learn from it...

Sadly, feeding the far-right political ammunition seems to be the EU's field of expertise.

"History doesn't repeat itself, but it sure does rhyme"
-Someone, but probably not Mark Twain.

[Shofercia]

I think it's time for the Russian and Chinese Governments to call on the Belgian Police to show the outmost restraint against the democratic values of the protesters, just like EU did with Ukraine and Taiwan...

[Ifreann]

Violence against the neoliberal order is escalating and becoming more normal, but they keep ramming through these changes. The public have recognized these oligarchs as illegitimate for a while now, they do not represent the interests of the public, only the interests of international financial elites, and their pretensions at democracy are a farce.

We're once again witnessing the far-right seize the initiative here to topple these Weimarists as they did historically

Historically the far right joined the Weimar government and took complete control with the help of conservatives and capitalists afraid of losing power to socialists. But sure. "Toppled".

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Not usually for damage to property, but I've personally been becoming more and more hostile towards the United Nations, and god damn this Pact is a perfect example of why.

The UN isn't meant to wield nor claim to wield this power. Hopefully more protests like this occur. Hopefully, though I doubt it will happen, we can have some sort of widespread reform in the UN.

The pact doesn't do anything. No power is being exercised.

[Telconi]

So much for the tolerant right.

oh wait

Something something, tolerance paradox.

[Ostroeuropa]

The threat of communist violence and soviet intervention was the only thing that made our oligarchs flinch before, and forced them into giving concessions to the people they ruled. It is the bullet that backs up the power of the ballot. Without the implicit threat of the bullet, the ballot can be ignored by our elites as they have done for decades now. You cannot force people who control the media, the means of production, the government and its policies, who control institutions of power, to respect you merely because there are more of you, they will always have violence and will always draw power from their violence against you. (State violence.). They will violently impose their policies on you, despite most of you hating those policies and telling them so, because the ballot means nothing without the threat of insurrection to back it up. Violence against undemocratic regimes is not the initiation of violence, it is self-defense.

When more people acknowledge this, spread it, and start saying it openly, start acknowledging what situation these Neoliberal elites have placed us all in, including themselves, maybe they will flinch and back down, maybe we can have a peaceful solution, maybe we can bring them to the table and begin having an actual democracy again where people hash things out and reach compromises, instead of them arrogantly gatekeeping all institutions of power and ruling without the consent of the governed and thinking they are untouchable because they have successfully managed to cripple representation enough that your opinions do not make an impact on how they run the country.

Meaningful peace is only achievable with war as an acknowledged alternative. It keeps us honest, and keeps us working to try and get along. The elites aren't being honest, and they are not working with us, because they scream and howl and cry about violence being unacceptable, all the while using state violence. They need to be reminded of this for peace to be achieved.

[Ifreann]

The threat of communist violence and soviet intervention was the only thing that made our oligarchs flinch before, and forced them into giving concessions to the people they ruled. It is the bullet that backs up the power of the ballot. Without the implicit threat of the bullet, the ballot can be ignored by our elites as they have done for decades now. You cannot force people who control the media, the means of production, the government and its policies, who control institutions of power, to respect you merely because there are more of you, they will always have violence and will always draw power from their violence against you. (State violence.). They will violently impose their policies on you, despite most of you hating those policies and telling them so, because the ballot means nothing without the threat of insurrection to back it up. Violence against undemocratic regimes is not the initiation of violence, it is self-defense.

When more people acknowledge this, spread it, and start saying it openly, start acknowledging what situation these Neoliberal elites have placed us all in, including themselves, maybe they will flinch and back down, maybe we can have a peaceful solution, maybe we can bring them to the table and begin having an actual democracy again where people hash things out and reach compromises, instead of them arrogantly gatekeeping all institutions of power and ruling without the consent of the governed and thinking they are untouchable because they have successfully managed to cripple representation enough that your opinions do not make an impact on how they run the country.

Meaningful peace is only achievable with war as an acknowledged alternative. It keeps us honest, and keeps us working to try and get along. The elites aren't being honest, and they are not working with us, because they scream and howl and cry about violence being unacceptable, all the while using state violence. They need to be reminded of this for peace to be achieved.

*waves to GCHQ*

[Ostroeuropa]

The threat of communist violence and soviet intervention was the only thing that made our oligarchs flinch before, and forced them into giving concessions to the people they ruled. It is the bullet that backs up the power of the ballot. Without the implicit threat of the bullet, the ballot can be ignored by our elites as they have done for decades now. You cannot force people who control the media, the means of production, the government and its policies, who control institutions of power, to respect you merely because there are more of you, they will always have violence and will always draw power from their violence against you. (State violence.). They will violently impose their policies on you, despite most of you hating those policies and telling them so, because the ballot means nothing without the threat of insurrection to back it up. Violence against undemocratic regimes is not the initiation of violence, it is self-defense.

When more people acknowledge this, spread it, and start saying it openly, start acknowledging what situation these Neoliberal elites have placed us all in, including themselves, maybe they will flinch and back down, maybe we can have a peaceful solution, maybe we can bring them to the table and begin having an actual democracy again where people hash things out and reach compromises, instead of them arrogantly gatekeeping all institutions of power and ruling without the consent of the governed and thinking they are untouchable because they have successfully managed to cripple representation enough that your opinions do not make an impact on how they run the country.

Meaningful peace is only achievable with war as an acknowledged alternative. It keeps us honest, and keeps us working to try and get along. The elites aren't being honest, and they are not working with us, because they scream and howl and cry about violence being unacceptable, all the while using state violence. They need to be reminded of this for peace to be achieved.

*waves to GCHQ*

It's a fairly basic observation about politics and power, and the fact it's verbotten according to some is pretty indicative of how our elites control of the overton window has been designed to exclude any potential for change. Is anything I said actually wrong either ethically or factually?

Acknowledging foreign policy in the middle east and so on as a contributing factor to terrorism doesn't take a genius, but suddenly acknowledging state violence and oppression in the west might contribute to violence against the government is absurd? Objectionable?

Since when did foreigners have more leeway than we did? Since when did our government decide that acknowledging the ways they fuck over foreigners to lead them to violence was okay and politically acceptable, but acknowledging the ways they fuck their own people over leading them to violence wasn't?

[Bombadil]

Y'know, they say history is doomed to repeat itself if one does not learn from it...

Sadly, feeding the far-right political ammunition seems to be the EU's field of expertise.

"History doesn't repeat itself, but it sure does rhyme"
-Someone, but probably not Mark Twain.

It's indeed one of those somewhat unattributable phrases though he did start to say it but then when into the usual rhetorical wankery.

History never repeats itself, but the Kaleidoscopic combinations of the pictured present often seem to be constructed out of the broken fragments of antique legends.

Who funds all this bollocks.. there seems to be a concerted effort and desire by people to bring down current forms of government, ostensibly over tax - it always comes down to money.. I kind of feel certain parts of the whole hedge fund industry are utterly toxic.

[Valrifell]

I'm just saying, guys, but taxes technically aren't a problem under communism.