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Postby Valrifell » Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:16 am

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You keep using the word 'objectively' incorrectly.


He thinks his opinion is "objective" without realizing that opinions are, by definition, subjective.


Could it be that people also can use language for hyperbole and emphasis?

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It's literally impossible to rate the performance of a politician without being influenced by personal feelings.


Stalin vs FDR? Pol Pot vs Nelson Mandela?

Hardline communists would probably rate Stalin as being better than FDR. The class traitors must be purged, after all.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:04 am

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It's literally impossible to rate the performance of a politician without being influenced by personal feelings.


Stalin vs FDR? Pol Pot vs Nelson Mandela?


At least Stalin dragged his country forward into being a superpower and an industrial powerhouse. FDR just made the depression worse and spent his time seeing just how much illegal shit he could do.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:09 am

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It's literally impossible to rate the performance of a politician without being influenced by personal feelings.


Stalin vs FDR? Pol Pot vs Nelson Mandela?

What are measuring here?
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Postby Crockerland » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:07 pm

Does anybody really care? It's already been confirmed by the FEC that Bernie Sanders colluded illegally with foreign nationals to interfere in a US election and nobody cares. 99.99% of people who think this news is grounds to impeach or vote against Trump were already in favor of doing so.

Can't say I'd be particularly sad if Donald "Take their guns first, due process second" Trump were impeached and replaced by Mike Pence, but it's unlikely to happen as a result of this.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:07 pm

Crockerland wrote:Does anybody really care? It's already been confirmed by the FEC that Bernie Sanders colluded illegally with foreign nationals to interfere in a US election and nobody cares. 99.99% of people who think this news is grounds to impeach or vote against Trump were already in favor of doing so.

Can't say I'd be particularly sad if Donald "Take their guns first, due process second" Trump were impeached and replaced by Mike Pence, but it's unlikely to happen as a result of this.

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The volunteers, who were participating in a government-funded education program, even got $8,000 in stipends from their native country to campaign for the popular Vermont senator in his 2016 run for the White House.

The FEC ruled that the Sanders campaign accepted about $25,000 in in-kind donations from the Australians. Bernie’s been ordered to fork over $14,500 in civil penalties for violating campaign law.

Sanders’ campaign staffers told the FEC they knew that some of the Australian volunteers were getting stipends, but they thought — “mistakenly,” the FEC has pointed out in their ruling — that the volunteers were doing legal work. After initially pushing back against the FEC, the Sanders campaign has agreed to pay up.

A campaign spokesperson told VICE News that the campaign accepted the fine to avoid an expensive legal fight with the FEC but noted that it did not admit to any wrongdoing.

“During the course of the campaign, thousands and thousands of young people from every state and many other countries volunteered. Among them were seven Australian young people who were receiving a modest stipend and airfare from the Australian Labor Party so they could learn about American politics,” the spokesperson said. “The folks on the campaign managing volunteers did not believe the stipend disqualified them from being volunteers.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:28 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Crockerland wrote:Does anybody really care? It's already been confirmed by the FEC that Bernie Sanders colluded illegally with foreign nationals to interfere in a US election and nobody cares. 99.99% of people who think this news is grounds to impeach or vote against Trump were already in favor of doing so.

Can't say I'd be particularly sad if Donald "Take their guns first, due process second" Trump were impeached and replaced by Mike Pence, but it's unlikely to happen as a result of this.

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The volunteers, who were participating in a government-funded education program, even got $8,000 in stipends from their native country to campaign for the popular Vermont senator in his 2016 run for the White House.

The FEC ruled that the Sanders campaign accepted about $25,000 in in-kind donations from the Australians. Bernie’s been ordered to fork over $14,500 in civil penalties for violating campaign law.

Sanders’ campaign staffers told the FEC they knew that some of the Australian volunteers were getting stipends, but they thought — “mistakenly,” the FEC has pointed out in their ruling — that the volunteers were doing legal work. After initially pushing back against the FEC, the Sanders campaign has agreed to pay up.

A campaign spokesperson told VICE News that the campaign accepted the fine to avoid an expensive legal fight with the FEC but noted that it did not admit to any wrongdoing.

“During the course of the campaign, thousands and thousands of young people from every state and many other countries volunteered. Among them were seven Australian young people who were receiving a modest stipend and airfare from the Australian Labor Party so they could learn about American politics,” the spokesperson said. “The folks on the campaign managing volunteers did not believe the stipend disqualified them from being volunteers.


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Postby Chernoslavia » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:12 am

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Because nobody's gonna haul anybody off to some concentration camp or gulag?


You do realise there's more to dystopia than just people being disappeared, right?


So explain why would it be dystopian. This should be good....
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Distractions and Diversions ...

Postby Elybrit » Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:05 am

The best thing that has happened to Donald Trump and the Republican Party is this Russian-Collusion Delusion.

Nothing distracts and destroys a national party more than focusing on something that's not only fallacious, but doesn't impact working and VOTING Americans at all, namely this Russian collusion hyperbole and nonsense.

Democrats would benefit from looking back at the 1990's when Republicans lost their way focusing on Bill Clinton's sex life.
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Postby The South Falls » Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:19 am

Elybrit wrote:The best thing that has happened to Donald Trump and the Republican Party is this Russian-Collusion Delusion.

Nothing distracts and destroys a national party more than focusing on something that's not only fallacious, but doesn't impact working and VOTING Americans at all, namely this Russian collusion hyperbole and nonsense.

Democrats would benefit from looking back at the 1990's when Republicans lost their way focusing on Bill Clinton's sex life.

I mean, there's quite a bit of evidence to suggest it wasn't fallacious. And just because it doesn't necessarily impact Americans doesn't mean we should dispense with the law. The republicans also took a turn harder right. Considering that they won 2001, well...
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:19 am

The South Falls wrote:
Elybrit wrote:The best thing that has happened to Donald Trump and the Republican Party is this Russian-Collusion Delusion.

Nothing distracts and destroys a national party more than focusing on something that's not only fallacious, but doesn't impact working and VOTING Americans at all, namely this Russian collusion hyperbole and nonsense.

Democrats would benefit from looking back at the 1990's when Republicans lost their way focusing on Bill Clinton's sex life.

I mean, there's quite a bit of evidence to suggest it wasn't fallacious. And just because it doesn't necessarily impact Americans doesn't mean we should dispense with the law. The republicans also took a turn harder right. Considering that they won 2001, well...


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Postby -Ocelot- » Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:19 am

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Not everyone who disagrees with the president is an NPC (the fact the insult has to be explained shows it's weak anyhow). I'm no more biased toward trump than the other 60% of Americans who dont like him. This man is caught on record saying some pretty undeniably ignorant and dishonest crap, and he's also being unearthed as a total crook


The NPC meme only really exists because the die-hard Trumpists can't accept that people actually dislike him of their own volition.


The NPC meme was devised to dehumanize political opponents. It's another fascist practice adapted to an era where the internet exists. It's not just about US politics.

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Postby Chernoslavia » Sun Dec 16, 2018 12:37 pm

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Kash Island wrote:biased OP is biased

"orange in chief"

Sad reacts and NPC reacts only


Not everyone who disagrees with the president is an NPC (the fact the insult has to be explained shows it's weak anyhow).


You obviously never played video games have you?
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Chernoslavia » Sun Dec 16, 2018 12:45 pm

Vassenor wrote:
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Not everyone who disagrees with the president is an NPC (the fact the insult has to be explained shows it's weak anyhow). I'm no more biased toward trump than the other 60% of Americans who dont like him. This man is caught on record saying some pretty undeniably ignorant and dishonest crap, and he's also being unearthed as a total crook


The NPC meme only really exists because the die-hard Trumpists can't accept that people actually dislike him of their own volition.


Dude the NPC meme was meant to trigger the left and show how thin skinned they are and as usual, they end up taking the bait and get laughed at.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Chernoslavia » Sun Dec 16, 2018 12:49 pm

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The NPC meme only really exists because the die-hard Trumpists can't accept that people actually dislike him of their own volition.


The NPC meme was devised to dehumanize political opponents. It's another fascist practice adapted to an era where the internet exists. It's not just about US politics.


> ''Y'all a bunch of Russian bots lol.''

>'' OMG THEY'RE DEHUMANIZING US, DUR HUR!''
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Valrifell » Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:48 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
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The NPC meme was devised to dehumanize political opponents. It's another fascist practice adapted to an era where the internet exists. It's not just about US politics.


> ''Y'all a bunch of Russian bots lol.''

>'' OMG THEY'RE DEHUMANIZING US, DUR HUR!''


Weird how quickly the right reciprocates behavior they don't like while also doing it way more aggressively.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:53 pm

To be fair, Mike Pence as President would be a bloody disaster for the LGBT folks in America...

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Postby Chernoslavia » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:08 pm

Valrifell wrote:
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> ''Y'all a bunch of Russian bots lol.''

>'' OMG THEY'RE DEHUMANIZING US, DUR HUR!''


Weird how quickly the right reciprocates behavior they don't like while also doing it way more aggressively.


Barely anyone cared about the left's Russian bot insults, in fact we laughed at em because they ended up believing it. And way more aggressively, lol seriously? ''Oh no! Their joke ended up being more aggressive and funnier than ours, no fair! Where's the equality??''
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Tobleste » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:32 pm

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Stalin vs FDR? Pol Pot vs Nelson Mandela?


At least Stalin dragged his country forward into being a superpower and an industrial powerhouse. FDR just made the depression worse and spent his time seeing just how much illegal shit he could do.


Not sure if serious....
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Postby Tobleste » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:33 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:To be fair, Mike Pence as President would be a bloody disaster for the LGBT folks in America...


Would he really be worse than Trump? Obviously he's more homophobic than Trump but Trump hardly cares about protecting LGBT people in America from the people who actually get things done in his administration.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:34 pm

Tobleste wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:To be fair, Mike Pence as President would be a bloody disaster for the LGBT folks in America...


Would he really be worse than Trump? Obviously he's more homophobic than Trump but Trump hardly cares about protecting LGBT people in America from the people who actually get things done in his administration.


I'll take the bumbling buffoon over a man who will actually go through with his ideals.

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Postby Valrifell » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:55 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Weird how quickly the right reciprocates behavior they don't like while also doing it way more aggressively.


Barely anyone cared about the left's Russian bot insults, in fact we laughed at em because they ended up believing it. And way more aggressively, lol seriously? ''Oh no! Their joke ended up being more aggressive and funnier than ours, no fair! Where's the equality??''


"Funnier"

lol

And by "aggressive" I mean there's more right-wingers that unironically drink that kool-aid than on the left.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:57 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Barely anyone cared about the left's Russian bot insults, in fact we laughed at em because they ended up believing it. And way more aggressively, lol seriously? ''Oh no! Their joke ended up being more aggressive and funnier than ours, no fair! Where's the equality??''


"Funnier"

lol


To be perfectly honest, some NPC memes were actually quite clever and funny, but most are just regurgitations and repetitions of the same, like, three skits.

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Postby Valrifell » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:58 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
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"Funnier"

lol


To be perfectly honest, some NPC memes were actually quite clever and funny, but most are just regurgitations and repetitions of the same, like, three skits.


I've not seen many memes outside of that classic image and people throwing it around as a sick burn (pictured above)
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:11 pm

Valrifell wrote:
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> ''Y'all a bunch of Russian bots lol.''

>'' OMG THEY'RE DEHUMANIZING US, DUR HUR!''


Weird how quickly the right reciprocates behavior they don't like while also doing it way more aggressively.

Also there actually are Russian bot accounts on social media. Whereas the NPC meme is based on the idea that there are a finite number of souls and a greater number of people alive.
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